Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Kunta Kinte

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know, do you know her?

What we do know about her is she has little regard for public health restrictions, therefore she is €100 less off.

Yellow card for stupidity.

Exactly. Hopefully if enough fines are issued the message will eventually get through to even the slow learners.

Rodin

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Exactly. Hopefully if enough fines are issued the message will eventually get through to even the slow learners.

Could always stick an extra zero on the end too.

Nobody deliberately drives fast past a speed camera because of repercussions.

FintanMcluskey

We have came so far as a nation when compared to 12 months ago.

Well done guy’s

How anyone can justify handing out fines to families exercising outdoor is absolutely baffling.

In fact some of ye are calling to increase the fines

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

How anyone can justify handing out fines to families exercising outdoor is absolutely baffling.

It's quite simple, they want people to stay within their locality and restrict the mass movement of people to those who are deemed essential.

It's not very hard understand, particularly at this stage.

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

It's quite simple, they want people to stay within their locality and restrict the mass movement of people to those who are deemed essential.

It's not very hard understand, particularly at this stage.

Why is NPHET not following their own advice so?

Surely a group zoom broadcast is just as effective?

Captain_Crash

Rodin wrote: »

Could always stick an extra zero on the end too.

Nobody deliberately drives fast past a speed camera because of repercussions.

Fixed penalties were introduced to take pressure off the courts and are structured in a way where most people will pay them. Hence the amounts are deliberately low.

If they “stuck an extra 0” on the end, then the majority of people instead of just paying will opt to have their day in court, thus voiding the whole point on a fixed penalty notice in the first place. Hospitals are overwhelmed, last thing we need is the courts overwhelmed too eh?? that will only result in mass dismissals and fines being thrown out #staysafe #stayathome #nexttwoweeksarecrucial

Kunta Kinte

Boggles wrote: »

It's quite simple, they want people to stay within their locality and restrict the mass movement of people to those who are deemed essential.

It's not very hard understand, particularly at this stage.

It seems that it is hard to understand for some. Or, as is more likely, they pretend not to understand it as it doesn`t suit them to do so.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

It's quite simple, they want people to stay within their locality and restrict the mass movement of people to those who are deemed essential.

It's not very hard understand, particularly at this stage.

That is the problem, what is the point.

Is it not enough that every other social outlet for young and old are outlawed a completely harmless walk on the beach is too much risk?

There isn't a morsel of data to suggest it is risky.

It's not like people are gathering in masses, like a football match or a concert....they are walking in the fresh air a much needed endeavor for the vast majority of humans.

You are not suggesting the virus transmits in traffic now are you? so there is no logical reason to be this strict....and you wonder why people are questioning what is clearly government over reach...even by Irish standards!!!

Whatsisname

Should have just done the North Korea approach and shot anyone who tested positive.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why is NPHET not following their own advice so?

Surely a group zoom broadcast is just as effective?

They have other jobs besides NPHET and they are essential workers.

Again this has been pointed out several times.

But around and around we go.

Kunta Kinte

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Fixed penalties were introduced to take pressure off the courts and are structured in a way where most people will pay them. Hence the amounts are deliberately low.

If they “stuck an extra 0” on the end, then the majority of people instead of just paying will opt to have their day in court, thus voiding the whole point on a fixed penalty notice in the first place. Hospitals are overwhelmed, last thing we need is the courts overwhelmed too eh?? that will only result in mass dismissals and fines being thrown out #staysafe #stayathome #nexttwoweeksarecrucial

Why should it always mean that? Could just as easily mean that harsh fines would be imposed in court. As with any legal matter it depends on the presiding judge. Do you believe that many people would take their chances on that?

HalfAndHalf

Mr. Karate wrote: »

We can't stop the spread of the flu. Stopping this is a pipe dream. The best thing they could have done was beefed up their emergency rooms and ICUs with beds, ventilators and other equipment so the rest of us could go on with our lives.

Wow! Utterly insane! So how do you know that you’re not an asymptotic carrier and it’s actually yourself filling up ICU beds and killing people off?!

This has got to be the most selfish uneducated post I’ve seen on this thread!

Why don’t we just dig massive trenches instead, we could just use dumper trucks to mass bury the dead instead yeah?

Disgraceful attitude and exactly the attitude that’s keeping us all in these lockdowns!

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Is it not enough that every other social outlet for young and old are outlawed a completely harmless walk on the beach is too much risk?

Or a walk in a beach turns into a swim which turns out badly.

Nuance and scale lad.

paw patrol

Rodin wrote: »

One.. your mate didn't spend 12 hours in an ambulance.

I think you must be the only person in existence who read what i wrote and didn't understand I meant her shift was 12hours.

Suppose she could eat her prepacked lunch on the ****ter too - after all she is out of the ambulance.

I wonder if you are real or just a parody at this stage.

Rodin wrote: »

I don't care if you disagree with me but it's pointless making points that are refuted with less difficulty than the swatting of a fly.

brilliant put down :pac: , pity your entire argument was based on a failure of primary school reading comprehension - see above if confused.

Whatsisname

Boggles wrote: »

Or a walk in a beach turns into a swim which turns out badly.

Nuance and scale lad.

Or it doesn't.

Nuance and scale indeed.

Whats the point in doing anything if we're all gonna die anyway?

Boggles

Whatsisname wrote: »

Or it doesn't.

Nuance and scale indeed.

Whats the point in doing anything if we're all gonna die anyway?

Jesus, you'll tear both hamstrings if you stretch anymore.

:pac::pac::pac:

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Or a walk in a beach turns into a swim which turns out badly.

Nuance and scale lad.

Are the jellyfish riddled in Covid? I must have missed that one!!!

You know there isn't a logical reason to fine or even stop people who are out walking in the outdoors, beach, hills, parks.

You know it but you don't want to admit it...

Whatsisname

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, you'll tear both hamstrings if you stretch anymore.

:pac::pac::pac:

They could do with a stretch tbh. Might go walk on a beach.

Kunta Kinte

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Wow! Utterly insane! So how do you know that you’re not an asymptotic carrier and it’s actually yourself filling up ICU beds and killing people off?!

This has got to be the most selfish uneducated post I’ve seen on this thread!

Why don’t we just dig massive trenches instead, we could just use dumper trucks to mass bury the dead instead yeah?

Disgraceful attitude and exactly the attitude that’s keeping us all in these lockdowns!

Going by what I have read here I would think some would be in favour of that.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Are the jellyfish riddled in Covid? I must have missed that one!!!

You know there isn't a logical reason to fine or even stop people who are out walking in the outdoors, beach, hills, parks.

You know it but you don't want to admit it...

There is logical reasoning I just gave you one example.

It's one of the reasons the likes of NPHET have setup a sub group of Behavioral scientists.

Ranting and raving about covid riddled jellyfish is just remedial juvenility.

So I'll leave you to it.

Thread is hilarious today... let’s fine people a grand for exercising...

The world some people want to live in is bizarre. Thankfully this nonsense will al be over soon.

In terms of the fines, we have criminals with 100+ convictions who are not in jail. Good luck with the fines.

Don't Chute!

Dempo1 wrote: »

The only clownolgy I've seen was that buffoon from Vitners federation (the very same chap caught out live on radio, serving "regulars" around the time crowds gathered on South William Street) offering his premises as a vaccination centre, just beyond bizzare, anything to look relevant. Do you want a packet of peanuts with that Jab, FFS.

Just amazes me that still after some shocking numbers of deaths and cases over the past 3 weeks, people still NOT getting it, 3 weeks of utter greed and stupidity has led to this,ALL the medical experts agree, gosh even Leaky Leo eating humble pie. Listen to the MEDICAL experts, it's NOT rocket science.

Far to much is being made out of the vaccine roll out, its wonderful but will have little impact for months and still absolutely no evidence it lessons chance of transmission.

It’s not hard, having read this post and others like it, to understand how the Catholic Church had such a stranglehold on this country in the past. Huge amounts of people around to do their dirty work for them. Finger wagging and shaming people who don’t step in line. Utterly nasty despicable behavior and believe me it won’t be easily forgotten.

Captain_Crash

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Why should it always mean that? Could just as easily mean that harsh fines would be imposed in court. As with any legal matter it depends on the presiding judge. Do you believe that many people would take their chances on that?

Absolutely they will! People faced with a big fine will get a solicitor who will advise to go to court, but if faced with an amounts less than the cost of a solicitor, they’ll pay it !

If every case was heard bigger fines could be handed out for sure, or the punishment may be a small contribution to the poor box instead. But the whole reason FPN’s were introduced in the first place was because the courts were getting overwhelmed with trivial things (mostly motoring offences at the time) and in order to clear backlogs just dismissed cases in huge numbers and focused on important things like criminal matters etc!

So you can bet your ass that if our courts were under pressure and faced with 1000’s of cases, they’ll just dismiss a few hundred non violent cases to clear the back lot like they’ve done countless times in the past. Anyway, that’s all off topic but the reason FPN’s are low is because it’s deliberately an amount a person is likely to pay in lieu of going to court.

silverharp

I saw some lamp on twitter suggest that people exercising outside 5KM should named and shamed, hopefully not a poster here :pac:

Rodin

Don't Chute! wrote: »

It’s not hard, having read this post and others like it, to understand how the Catholic Church had such a stranglehold on this country in the past. Huge amounts of people around to do their dirty work for them. Finger wagging and shaming people who don’t step in line. Utterly nasty despicable behavior and believe me it won’t be easily forgotten.

The only utterly nasty despicable behaviour is the blatant flouting of rules, social distancing and respiratory/hand hygienethat has our ICUs overflowing and the public hospitals unable to cope with 2000 Covid patients.
It won't be easily forgotten.

paw patrol

silverharp wrote: »

I saw some lamp on twitter suggest that people exercising outside 5KM should named and shamed, hopefully not a poster here :pac:

there is a weird perversion on social media for the name and shame which was ramped to the max with covid.

just bullying goons who wouldn't say boo to somebody if there was a risk of a smack in the mouth at the end of their sentence.

Don't Chute! wrote: »

It’s not hard, having read this post and others like it, to understand how the Catholic Church had such a stranglehold on this country in the past. Huge amounts of people around to do their dirty work for them. Finger wagging and shaming people who don’t step in line. Utterly nasty despicable behavior and believe me it won’t be easily forgotten.

100%

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

There is logical reasoning I just gave you one example.

It's one of the reasons the likes of NPHET have setup a sub group of Behavioral scientists.

Ranting and raving about covid riddled jellyfish is just remedial juvenility.

So I'll leave you to it.

No, you gave no logical reason other than an assumption that people walking on a beach in January might take it upon themselves to go for a swim...which in my view should be up to the individual not our government to decide....they don't want people travelling outside of a 5km for no particular reason at all...it defies logic given that people are not at risk in traffic, not at risk talking a walk outdoors.

Why are NPHET setting up sub groups...they only have one gear - total lockdown for as long as possible justifying it with what ever data they can twist to suit.

You don't have a leg to stand on so you just throw a few insults.

Whatsisname

Deleted User wrote: »

Thread is hilarious today... let’s fine people a grand for exercising...

The world some people want to live in is bizarre. Thankfully this nonsense will al be over soon.

In terms of the fines, we have criminals with 100+ convictions who are not in jail. Good luck with the fines.

I really hope you're right but I'm losing faith by the week.

UK talking about implementing mandatory hotel quarantines for anyone coming in to the country which will likely cost a few thousand like Australia. So if I take the Australia price as an example, it could cost me £1500-2000 + flight + covid test + the misery of being locked up like a prisoner in solitary confinement for 2 weeks for daring to see my family.

Then theres talk they want to implement the Poland strategy

Civil servants will also examine how to emulate a scheme in Poland, where those told to isolate are subject to “enhanced monitoring”. Each person is contacted once a day and told to send a photograph of themselves at the location where they are confined. These are cross-referenced using GPS data and facial-recognition software. Those who fail to comply within 20 minutes receive a visit from police.

I literally burst out laughing in shock at how dystopian that is.

Now you have the narrative of every country seemingly having a new covid 2.0 variant, so the war is now about these new variants. And how the vaccines don't stop transmission.

It feels like theres no end in sight, we're going around in circles and people somehow love it. It's so depressing.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

No, you gave no logical reason other than an assumption that people walking on a beach in January might take it upon themselves to go for a swim...which in my view should be up to the individual not our government to decide....they don't want people travelling outside of a 5km for no particular reason at all...it defies logic given that people are not at risk in traffic, not at risk talking a walk outdoors.

Plenty of people swim / surf in January, you obviously don't frequent Irish beaches very often.

The lady in question drove to the beach, was stopped at a check point and didn't go home.

But that is the gubberments fault.

Round and around we go.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Thread is hilarious today... let’s fine people a grand for exercising...

The world some people want to live in is bizarre. Thankfully this nonsense will al be over soon.

In terms of the fines, we have criminals with 100+ convictions who are not in jail. Good luck with the fines.

Just to be clear - fining people a grand for going more than 5km from home in a wide open space, and shutting down takeaways are not the opinions of everyone who can see that there is a need for restrictions. Clearing it up, because by the end of the day it will become thread fact that these represent the opinions of anyone who expresses an understanding as to why restrictions are required