Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Allinall

Fodla wrote: »

Control and deliberately destroying the economy and society so that they can be "built back better" as part of the upcoming Great Reset. Not a conspiracy theory. It can be read about on the World Economic Forum website. Many leaders around the word are saying "build back better". That can't be a coincidence.

Thanks for the LOLs.

It’s good to see some humour injected from time to time.

_Kaiser_

NPHET are at it again. Trying to pressure the Government before the discussions are had at Cabinet

The Government has signalled that the Level Five restrictions will be eased next week, allowing retail to open. It is also expected that pubs serving food and restaurants will be allowed open later in the month, perhaps the following week, and that travel restrictions will be lifted for perhaps two weeks around Christmas, allowing people to travel to spend the period with their extended families.

However, two sources familiar with the issue now say that the Nphet advice is likely to signal opposition to some aspects of the planned reopening.

This will complicate matters for the Government as it prepares to announce the details of the reopening on Friday.

How weak is Micheal Martin if he continues to allow himself and his Government to be undermined like this?

Fodla

Allinall wrote: »

Thanks for the LOLs.

It’s good to see some humour injected from time to time.

Cause the alternative that they destroyed the economy and society over the terrifying 1 and 2 case pandemic we had during the summer makes a lot more sense.

Rrrrrr2

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Going by your logic, someone can never criticize a film or a footballer or a song etc because you can just play the ' I'd like to see you do better' argument

Well I’d like to think if I was on the kind of money us taxpayers are paying these people- I’d be making much more informed and nuanced decisions.

Rrrrrr2

SAMTALK wrote: »

It was a genuine question. I have my doubts that the government are willing to see the country on its knees so they can save thousands of lives.

Why would NPHET want pubs closed permanently

Well sadly their antecedence would say otherwise in both instances. The country is on its knees and pubs have been closed since March ala Nphet “advice”

KrustyUCC

Varadkar playing silly buggers again

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1331947615760617472

People will ignore them completely if they're not allowed travel home for Christmas

_Kaiser_

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Varadkar playing silly buggers again

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1331947615760617472

People will ignore them completely if they're not allowed travel home for Christmas

People will be let travel alright. They seem to be trying to push it out to the weekend before Christmas itself though.

RobitTV

Lord Holohan of NPHET is opposed to the planned reopening of the economy. He wants to strangle our society until its completely lifeless and gasping for oxygen.

Senior Government sources said “we are not surprised” - Sources have confirmed that public health officials are “deeply concerned” about several elements proposed in the re-opening plan, particularly allowing restaurants and gastro pubs reopen.

KrustyUCC

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

People will be let travel alright. They seem to be trying to push it out to the weekend before Christmas itself though.

Yeah that's fine but make the decision now

He's still threatening people with not being able to travel

RobitTV

Michael Martin and Leo Varadkar are a complete disgrace, the lack of leadership is frightening. Holohan has been aloud to push them around for months without questioning, debating the restrictions.

- Who
- is
- running
- this
- country
- ?

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah, c’mon.

Those very models are still being used to justify the EUs longest and strictest policy.

You seem to miss the point a lot.

It’s not cheap point scoring, it’s calling out bull****

Those models are not still being used. Those massive potential death numbers are not being used. The justification now is to not overrun the health service. You know this. You're choosing to miss the point.

drunkmonkey

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Varadkar playing silly buggers again

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1331947615760617472

People will ignore them completely if they're not allowed travel home for Christmas

That's only ask though? There's currently nothing to stop you moving around.
I must have around 1500km up in the last week and nobody has said boo to me, the guards aren't even looking at your tax and insurance disks any more.

KrustyUCC

NPHET have them by the balls

Nothing will change there

RobitTV

Danny Healy-Rae among publicans begging the government to open pubs for Christmas - Link

Danny Healy-Rae explained: ‘Closing pubs is wrong and totally unnecessary. There is alcohol readily available.

‘There are house parties and alcohol is being consumed in totally unregulated areas.

‘All pubs, not just the ones with food, need to be opened for Christmas. That was absolutely ridiculous. How did the virus know if you were having a meal with your pint? It was stupid.

‘I think all pubs should be open for Christmas but spread out the crowds. I accept there would have to be some social distancing. Maybe reduce the hours a bit. I think people would respect that.

‘Why couldn’t we have something like that? If it has to be eight or nine o’clock, fellas in rural places could have a couple of pints.

KrustyUCC

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's only ask though? There's currently nothing to stop you moving around.
I must have around 1500km up in the last week and nobody has said boo to me, the guards aren't even looking at your tax and insurance disks any more.

True but a lot of people would prefer to be officially allowed to travel as opposed to doing so anyway

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Penfailed missing the point? ah no

Ah, the G'n'L/Fintan tag team in full effect. Fair play lads. Pat yourselves on the back.

CruelSummer

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/restaurants-reopening-in-doubt-after-nphet-raise-serious-concerns-39795089.html

NPHET trying one last push to block lighter restrictions. I say this from a province that only had 10 cases yesterday. Will the Government cave? This will be the defining moment of their term if they do.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Those models are not still being used. Those massive potential death numbers are not being used. The justification now is to not overrun the health service. You know this. You're choosing to miss the point.

Where was the risk to the health service during June, July, August, September and most of October when hospitals were empty but Irish citizens lived under Europe’s strictest policy?

RobitTV

Danny Healy-Rae: ‘God almighty, having people outside at this time of the year in the cold and the damp, you’re only asking for trouble. They’ll die with pneumonia.

You know the world has changed when the Healy-Rae's are speaking the most sense, and everybody else has become hysterical and borderline insane.

KrustyUCC

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/restaurants-reopening-in-doubt-after-nphet-raise-serious-concerns-39795089.html

NPHET trying one last push to block lighter restrictions. I saw this from a province that only had 10 cases yesterday. Will the Government cave? This will be the defining moment of their term if they do.

Of course they will cave

Tony & NPHET are in charge

_Kaiser_

RobitTV wrote: »

Danny Healy-Rae among publicans begging the government to open pubs for Christmas - Link

Danny Healy-Rae explained: ‘Closing pubs is wrong and totally unnecessary. There is alcohol readily available.

‘There are house parties and alcohol is being consumed in totally unregulated areas.

‘All pubs, not just the ones with food, need to be opened for Christmas. That was absolutely ridiculous. How did the virus know if you were having a meal with your pint? It was stupid.

‘I think all pubs should be open for Christmas but spread out the crowds. I accept there would have to be some social distancing. Maybe reduce the hours a bit. I think people would respect that.

‘Why couldn’t we have something like that? If it has to be eight or nine o’clock, fellas in rural places could have a couple of pints.

I can't believe I'm in total agreement with Danny Healy-Rae :eek:

peter kern

Fodla wrote: »

But the problem with these death numbers is the classifying of deaths that are clearly not COVID deaths as COVID deaths. A man fell from a ladder in Croatia recently and COVID was put down as the cause of death. It's impossible to know how many people have died from COVID-19. And that's without getting it 'died of' vs 'died with'.

so you are saying i know of 1 case out of 1.5 milion to be wrong so this is all wrong...

the numbers are certainly not 100% correct, in the uk i think they tried to put 8000 covid death under the carpet if i remember correctly to look a bit better as a country i think you and i would not be too suprised if this happend in china and russia too . those are a guesstimates but they are not made up completely and problably about the same accuracy as the unemplyoment statistcs are not really correct but not completely wrong either . and while iam sure cases like yours exist ( can you show me the evidence of this case you mention ie how was it fact checked was it written in the daily mirror etc or did his dr confirm this guy was completey healthy before he feel from a ladder ) this is unlikely happening too often and surely there will be cases where a person dies of covid but does not appear in those statistics as most likely some people with the virus do not go to the hospital.

out of interest how would you handle this situation if you were in charge. how would you report numbers and how would you make sure it was as correctly done as possible ?

BeefeaterHat

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Well I’d like to think if I was on the kind of money us taxpayers are paying these people- I’d be making much more informed and nuanced decisions.

I don't understand this 'leave them alone they're doing their best ' narrative that gets pulled out for NPHET. They're not working for free they're getting very well compensated for their work.

Rrrrrr2

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

I don't understand this 'leave them alone they're doing their best ' narrative that gets pulled out for NPHET. They're not working for free they're getting very well compensated for their work.

It’s an Irish deference to authority hangover thing.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Some questioned from the very beginning.

They were immediately silenced, like the doctor Harris appointed to the medical council and forced to resign.

Yeah, he resigned in the second half of April...so not from the very beginning.

Penfailed

facehugger99 wrote: »

Listen to the WHO?

Good idea

Pinball Wizard is class TBF.

Fodla

More insanity: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-who-chief-says-people-need-to-consider-wearing-masks-in-the-home-over-christmas-39794988.html

This is clearly about control and destroying society and humanity.

BeefeaterHat

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

It’s an Irish deference to authority hangover thing.

I mean adults literally talk like children these days. Between the 'save the summer' and 'save the Christmas' lockdowns people seem to think they're in a ****ing film.

drunkmonkey

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True but a lot of people would prefer to be officially allowed to travel as opposed to doing so anyway

Your officaly allowed Travel. Your governed by the law not the whims of politicians.

Charles Babbage

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Where was the risk to the health service during June, July, August, September and most of October when hospitals were empty but Irish citizens lived under Europe’s strictest policy?

The risk was that people would act the maggot and that we'd end up where we are today, and so it turned out.

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Fodla]
More insanity: https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39794988.html

This is clearly about control and destroying society and humanity.

This is not insanity, it is common sense. People should consider their situation and the situation of those they are spending time with. Such consideration does not inevitably mean you should wear a mask, but it should in some situations. The most human of traits is to have some concern for your own family.