Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

brisan

brokekeyboard wrote: »

It only seems that way if you can't make a rational distinction between private homes and open houses and a load of drink taken.

Anybody else getting the HELLO vibe off these posts

FintanMcluskey

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Irish people want to have a proper Christmas, and meet up with all their family and friends.


January & February lockdown will be the price of Christmas.

One of the reason’s they will lift lockdown for Christmas is due to the chasm in revenue take. They can’t afford not to have people out and about for Christmas.
People loose sight of the cost of this exercise.

A good December is worth many January and February’s to consumer spending.

MadYaker

brokekeyboard wrote: »

I am not Melbourne Man if that is your insinuation?

You could always argue the point instead of attacking the poster as per the rules of the forum.

You post facts and logic all you like, all you’ll get in return is childish insults.

growleaves

Summer2020 wrote: »

I’m not sure why this mc Conkey clown is being given so much airtime. He’s obviously known in the media as someone who loves the sound of his own voice and is very easy to get on the phone. To me this says it all about him. Wasnt be the one predicting 50-60,000 deaths ?

No, he predicted 80,000 to 120,000 deaths as a worst case scenario and an IFR of 2-3%

IFR is now estimated at around 0.25% or lower.

Covid is not the New Black Death. It is a routine virus outbreak.

We haven't had extreme authoritarianism and economic embargoes for previous similar phenomena (Asian Flu, Hong Kong Flu etc.)

brisan

brokekeyboard wrote: »

An example of the one sidedness here.

And you know this how ?

Considering you only signed up

speckle

brokekeyboard wrote: »

The spread of those past viruses was not global, first of many huge distinctions.

Similar modelling errors were made elsewhere, not just by him.

It was increasing 15% a day at one point let us not forget.

Well one of those influenzas had a parent of mine collapse on to the ground on a city street here... so they came pretty far around the globe

growleaves

brokekeyboard wrote: »

The spread of those past viruses was not global, first of many huge distinctions.

Of course it was. They spread through Asia, Australia, Africa, South America, Europe and the US infecting over 200 countries.

What are the distinctions supposedly making covid different from past pandemics?

Penfailed

brisan wrote: »

Anybody else getting the HELLO vibe off these posts

No.

brisan

brokekeyboard wrote: »

I am not Melbourne Man if that is your insinuation?

You could always argue the point instead of attacking the poster as per the rules of the forum.

You must have been a guest for a while so
I am against lockdowns because they have failed
I have worked every day since this pandemic started
The first lockdown was a lockdown ,this is not
Too many people allowed to be out and about and the vast majority of the rest do not obey it
Open up with strict controls and let us all live not exist
We all know the risks and the dangers and we can all take whatever precautions we deem necessary

growleaves

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Similar modelling errors were made elsewhere, not just by him.

It was increasing 15% a day at one point let us not forget.

Yes I'm aware.

But he was only today saying that people should be forcibly detained - due to the virus which is 10 or 20 times less deadly than he predicted.

I'm saying he should reflect on his own fallibility a little.

growleaves

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Scale, contagiousness, asymptomatic and presympathomatic complications.

A more "successful" virus plainly and simply.

Like I said the scale is the same, many pandemics were global and for the same reason, they were highly contagious.

We were never looking for PCR confirmations of as many asymptomatic infections before. We are shining a flashlight on every infection now but that doesn't make covid more deadlier, it just magnifies our focus.

Covid falls within the range of these other diseases. Estimates of deaths from Hong Kong flu run from 1-4 million. But there was no global shutdown.

drunkmonkey

brokekeyboard wrote: »

The reason we have a lockdown to be begin with is a lack of self control is it not?

No it's PCR testing.

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

No, he predicted 80,000 to 120,000 deaths as a worst case scenario and an IFR of 2-3%

IFR is now estimated at around 0.25% or lower.

Covid is not the New Black Death. It is a routine virus outbreak.

We haven't had extreme authoritarianism and economic embargoes for previous similar phenomena (Asian Flu, Hong Kong Flu etc.)

The studies putting it this low have been thoroughly debunked. Reviews of the Ionnidas study have suggested those studies included in his meta analysis that actually have any scientific basis puts it at at least 0.5%. The convergence in western settings with larger populations in excess of 65 is towards 0.65%.

Given the level of cases in Belgium is only starting to slow with massive restrictions and that they are already at 0.13% of the population having died, the 0.25% rate is definitely an underestimate. It would require over 50 % of the population to have been infected and consequently the spread of the virus would slow all by itself

lawrencesummers

Bill Tormey is on primetime shortly.

He looks rared up and ready to go.


If you ever meet a more ignorant man in your life let me know.

FintanMcluskey

brokekeyboard wrote: »

We know enough now to know that if we attempted zero restrictions normal life it wouldn't turn out pretty.

We don't need to argue too much about percentage points and this or that study, just common sense

I hope one day people will stop referring to social distancing and mask wearing as no restrictions.


Posts like above are anti mask

brisan

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Honestly?

The reason we have a lockdown to be begin with is a lack of self control is it not?

Do you in all honesty believe that
How many people have not got this highly contagious virus because they had the self control to assess the risk and take precautions ,or live by reasonable restrictions and latitudes imposed by employers
More people have not got the virus than those that got it ,that shows a high level of self control
I was in a bar/restaurant at least 15 times when they were opened and did not catch the virus ,why, >common sense and self control ?

growleaves

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Strangely enough this is the first time life on earth has been up ended in all my years. Why is that?

A virus outbreak such as this happens every few decades.

A panic which has unleashed political ghosts controlling every aspect of life is what's unique.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

It IS a conspiracy theory.

I would contend that a conspiracy theory would have some basis in reality, however tenuous

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

A virus outbreak such as this happens every few decades.

A panic which has unleashed political ghosts controlling every aspect of life is what's unique.

Societies have judged the attendant death rates are not acceptable in the modern world. That’s the difference

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

I would contend that a conspiracy theory would have some basis in reality, however tenuous

There is another conspiracy that Tony H and NPHET are concerned with public health.

That idea belongs up in the attic with Gemma

Quantum Erasure

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Bill Tormey is on primetime shortly.

He looks rared up and ready to go.


If you ever meet a more ignorant man in your life let me know.

Which one of these clowns is he?

Ah, the one on the left, the one on the right is still banging on about eliminating the virus

lawrencesummers

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Which one of these clowns is he?

The ignorant one.

Rrrrrr2

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Honestly?

The reason we have a lockdown to be begin with is a lack of self control is it not?

Self control lol...see what I mean about the religion thing

growleaves

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would contend that a conspiracy theory would have some basis in reality, however tenuous

Surely the conspiracy theory that world leaders want to control people does have some basis in that... people ARE being controlled (for 'health' reasons).

After all, the part about people being confined to 2km or not allowed to open their businesses isn't theoretical. The theory is just that these actions aren't motivated by genuine goodness or directed by innocent people.

Micky 32

brisan wrote: »

Anybody else getting the HELLO vibe off these posts

No it’s not him but i know who it is.

Jizique

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The ignorant one.

Two loons

Quantum Erasure

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The ignorant one.

The other one wants to go back six months and try for zero covid again...

growleaves

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Only if all governments had similarly dastardly motives all at the same time. Clutching at straws to make what point?

They may be unwise rather than dastardly.

China instituted lockdown. The Italian Prime Minister decided to imitate China's policy. Other European countries then copied Italy.

Whether something is good or bad can't be decided by consensus. (See slavery, eugenics etc.)

lawrencesummers

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The other one wants to go back six months and try for zero covid again...

Close our boarders, have quarantine, stricter lockdown.


He may as well be advocating putting a closed sign on the wet market in Wuhan.

The most accurate, articulate and sensible speaker is the girl in the pub in Mayo.

WhiteMemento9

This thread has taken some bonkers turn tonight. This lockdown really is effecting people's mental health.