Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

brokekeyboard

brokekeyboard wrote: »

At least take off the tin foil hat if you want a good tight fit on the mask

Haha, we might as well wear a full tinfoil Hazmat suit :pac:

fin12

brokekeyboard wrote: »

So you want empathy for your situation but I am in the same state of restricted autonomy and deserve none?

Interesting

Ya because you want the restrictions to continue. I doubt very much ur restricted or affected by this, I’m guessing ur very much a hermit.

acequion

brokekeyboard wrote: »

You told me you are mathematically inclined. They have paid a price for that normality as clearly shown by the numbers, have they not?

Maybe you think it was worth it which is a different argument about the price of life essentially and fair enough if sports and socialising have a higher value to you.

Not everywhere in Europe is equally affected. There are places in different countries with figures comparable to here. Not even all regions here are equal on figures. You have to weigh up a lot of variables when comparing countries and can't always compare like with like. You have to factor in things like population density, communal living facilities like the high level of appartment living in some foreign cities. And it's no surprise that big densely populated cities have generally been worst affected.

So what they did and didn't pay for is really hard to quantify.

The same thing is happening again. The government are about to go against NPHET and the media, the opposition, the hysterical and the permanently afraid/outraged are screaming hysterically.

The government have created a monster in NPHET. A monster that has media support and a fanatical following and are going to be extremely hard to silence.

Any sign of cases increasing and these nut jobs will all be screaming.

I hate Ireland in 2020.

CalamariFritti

I dont mind if people say this thread has gone full on nuts. But the last few pages have descended into kindergarten stuff.

acequion

brokekeyboard are you the latest incarnation of nofools?

You only joined this month and though you're not as aggressive in tone I see big similarities!

Just curious????

No matter what they say about the numbers in Jan and how it's essential we "flatten the curve" yet again, if the government go back to Level 5, people will just ignore it. Half the population are already doing their own thing and just getting on with life. Government/media lost the people after Golfgate, Departure Gate etc.

We must "live with the virus" they said. Ok, we will..

I think cases went up myself because testing went through the roof..turn enough stones and youll find all the snails you want. People were so panicked in anticipation of winter season that they were keeping kids off, not going to work and calling their doctor for common ailments..doctors were overwhelmed and the hype and panic made it worse...to use a film quote mixed analogy....you yell cold or flu people say what? where???....you yell covid 19 ...and we have a panic on our hands on the busiest weeks of the year....

brokekeyboard

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Again more insinuation, I was Melbourne man to someone else. Are people not allowed to disagree or do you have to protect the hive here?

Had an account here yonks ago, bored tonight so opened a new one.

brokekeyboard suffers nofools, guys.

acequion

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Again more insinuation, I was Melbourne man to someone else. Are people not allowed to disagree or do you have to protect the hive here?

Had an account here yonks ago, bored tonight so opened a new one.

Only tonight and you've 86 posts already, wow!!

nofools was exactly the same!

drunkmonkey

acequion wrote: »

Only tonight and you've 86 posts already, wow!!

nofools was exactly the same!

Who else haven't you seen since yesterday, their first post was a give away.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The same thing is happening again. The government are about to go against NPHET and the media, the opposition, the hysterical and the permanently afraid/outraged are screaming hysterically.

The government have created a monster in NPHET. A monster that has media support and a fanatical following and are going to be extremely hard to silence.

Any sign of cases increasing and these nut jobs will all be screaming.

I hate Ireland in 2020.

That was some cynical stunt pulled by NPHET this evening, suggesting takeaway pints only for the month of December. Softening up the imbeciles (witness them "celebrating!!" on the No-Food Pubs thread) to accept gastro-pubs as only viable alternative when Government response trickled through a few hours later. Majority of publicans are in for a miserable Christmas, and those of us who simply want a quiet pint in the local denied by the irrational control freak that is Tony Holohan. May 2021 bring him down to earth with an almighty clatter. Such an enormous ego precedes a corresponding fall, misery hound will get exactly what he wished for.

normanoffside

brokekeyboard wrote: »

You told me you are mathematically inclined. They have paid a price for that normality as clearly shown by the numbers, have they not?

Maybe you think it was worth it which is a different argument about the price of life essentially and fair enough if sports and socialising have a higher value to you.

My mathematical and logical mind tells me that the price (both financial and in terms of the mental and physical well-being of our population) for the little we have achieved to preserve life has not been worth it. In fact we have probably damaged the health of the nation while crippling everything else.

A simple cost-benefit analysis would probably show our reaction has been disproportionate in the extreme.

What are the number you refer to anyway? Cases? What does that matter?

brokekeyboard

brokekeyboard wrote: »

The hive here are infuriating and it doesn't take long to respond to a wave of baseless attacks. Most of the country disagree with you, if you steep yourself in just one viewpoint you will become paranoid about dissenting opinions.

Back on topic, I am waiting for your response.

Most of the country doesn't disagree with him, though. Look around you; everyone is getting on with their life. No matter what we do, they're still going to go in and out of lockdowns.

If the likes of government ministers and RTE employees don't bother sticking to the rules, why would you? You're the source of your own frustration.

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

The same thing is happening again. The government are about to go against NPHET and the media, the opposition, the hysterical and the permanently afraid/outraged are screaming hysterically.

The government have created a monster in NPHET. A monster that has media support and a fanatical following and are going to be extremely hard to silence.

Any sign of cases increasing and these nut jobs will all be screaming.

I hate Ireland in 2020.

I think George Lee is the leak btw. NPHET’s media mouthpiece.

RobitTV

Holohan must be really pissed tonight, time for him to break out the emergency wine supply.

The government have gone against his advice. But he will regain his power and influence in January...

brokekeyboard

brokekeyboard wrote: »

The hive here are infuriating and it doesn't take long to respond to a wave of baseless attacks. Most of the country disagree with you, if you steep yourself in just one viewpoint you will become paranoid about dissenting opinions.

Back on topic, I am waiting for your response.

How do you know most of the country don't agree??. Firstly you have inferred this thread alone is littered with anti lockdowners or mostly so..that's the majority to me...then sectional studies taken into account, if you understand them, means you take a section as in cross section in a cancer biopsy, and come to a conclusion based on that section..its how sociology works, reading on groups and not the individual. By your own logic..what you call an anti view is the majority, as in the 70% who said everything needs to open on Clare Byrne live this week....ah yea and bored and opened an account tonight???. Completed every genre in the porn hub lexicon did we...?

Penfailed

Fodla wrote: »

Yes, they dismiss them all saying 'new normal' as a coincidence. the increasingly widespread use of 'build back better' as a coincidence, the head of a major global organisation calling for every aspect of our societies to be revamped, for a new economic model, and describing the idea of going back to normal as a "fiction" as nothing to worry about.

I've asked you before...what's wrong with 'better'? Surely it's a good thing?

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

You're the source of your own frustration.

You seriously going to tap dance with a fresh re-reg if they haven't the kahonas to be themselves.
Anyone worth their salt would take it on the chin and learn from their mistakes the day before and come back a little wiser.

fin12

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Do I work for RTE now? This is gas I have to say!

I am going about too.

What’s gas about it, you would fit right in with that shower.

Fodla

RobitTV wrote: »

Holohan must be really pissed tonight, time for him to break out the emergency wine supply.

The government have got against his advice. But he will regain his power and influence in January...

It's astonishing the vice grip Anthony has on the people. It really is a case of Stockholm Syndrome.

fin12

RobitTV wrote: »

Holohan must be really pissed tonight, time for him to break out the emergency wine supply.

The government have got against his advice. But he will regain his power and influence in January...

He’s probably being sedated as we speak.

manniot2

I was banned from the other thread for calling Tony Holohan a c1nt :-) I went down swinging at least

RobitTV

Reopening of restaurants to get go-ahead from Cabinet - Link

Sad night for the misery merchants. Merry Christmas!

Penfailed

acequion wrote: »

My post is asking a specific question to another poster, nothing to do with you!

It happens all the time in here. Don't get too worked up about it.

brokekeyboard

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Do I work for RTE now? This is gas I have to say!

I am going about too.

You must of misunderstood the post.

Point is: keep living your life. Exercise common sense. Stop worrying about what everyone else is or isn't doing. Ignore NPHET.

fin12

manniot2 wrote: »

I was banned from the other thread for calling Tony Holohan a c1nt :-) I went down swinging at least

I can’t believe u were banned for that, that’s ur opinion of the man and some amount of people would agree. I called Varadkar that before and didn’t get banned so what the difference?

patnor1011

brokekeyboard wrote: »

I think this line of thinking is just trying to discredit everything because of one common mistake. No one is perfect. Mistakes were made and are to be learned from.

There are plenty of vulnerable people who do not live in nursing homes and that is why we can't just go **** it.

LOL.
"one common mistake" which accounts for the absolute majority of deaths from the start of it till now.
What did we learn from it? That government and band of crazy professors in charge are good for nothing. Certainly not able to protect anyone.

manniot2

fin12 wrote: »

I can’t believe u were banned for that, that’s ur opinion of the man and some amount of people would agree. I called Varadkar that before and didn’t get banned so what the difference?

He’s a god to them. I knew I was a goner as I typed, was worth it :-)

CruelSummer

brokekeyboard wrote: »

It is a fringe view, open somethings carefully is more common.

I am impressed with how you talked yourself into it. Just because they screwed up with nursing homes doesn't give your point any real logical basis.

How do you propose to avoid spreading covid too much?
What is too much for you? There has to be a limit if you are reasonable
What if you are wrong?

That is totally incorrect - where are all the people saying ‘Open some things up carefully’. Where are they more common? Because I don’t see them anywhere.
I’ve already stated by views repeatedly on this thread and others on multiple occasions but here they are again for good measure:
1. Everything should be open right now with appropriate measures in place and should remain so. Businesses have invested heavily in safety infrastructure and protocols and should be allowed to trade.
2. We cannot act like our approach is sustainable, we’re plunging the economy towards heading for the IMF and another bailout once again - this is unforgivable after being bailed out in the recent past and surely calls into question the ability of our Government to govern competently in the 21st Century.
3. For any future rise in cases, Level 3 plus is more than enough to control cases. Level 5 has cost us an extra 1.5 billion and achieved nothing except economic devastation. Nphet’s theory that we persist with Level 5 while continuing to throw money down the toilet is untenable. Why they’ve been given the remit to make these decisions is baffling - as if we do go bankrupt, they’ve zero accountability.
4. We shouldn’t just rely on the vaccine as a way to ‘live’ with Covid. There’s still not a lot of data out there regarding the finer details of the vaccine and how effective it will be and for how long.
5. Once we get over this winter, reopen society properly as the survival rates of Covid are too high to justify the current measures being taken.