Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

normanoffside

At least covid has solved our trolley crisis.


https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1332983087647649792

Mr. Karate

SuperRabbit wrote: »

Tell me how a vaccine stops our ICUs being full up in January February or March?
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They didn't get full up once during the initial 3 month lockdown. They didn't get full up now. Claiming that they will in Jan to justify another lockdown is pure bull**** and fear mongering.

Mr. Karate

growleaves wrote: »

Two years for vaccination is the longest estimate I have seen anywhere

Just shows you that some people want to drag this out for as long as humanly possible.

is_that_so

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Just shows you that people want to drag this out for as long as humanly possible.

Better to dampen expectations and overdeliver on it. Worldwide 2 years might be about right but richer countries should be done by the end of next year at the latest.

Tork

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Just shows you that people want to drag this out for as long as humanly possible.

Can you explain why anybody wants to drag this out?

Mr. Karate

is_that_so wrote: »

Better to dampen expectations and overdeliver on it. Worldwide 2 years might be about right but richer countries should be done by the end of next year at the latest.

People are all ready beyond fed up of all the lockdowns and restrictions. Claiming this could go on for 2 or more years is definitely a guarantee to see this all end in riots.

growleaves

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Just shows you that people want to drag this out for as long as humanly possible.

I've deleted my reply because I read your post wrong. I thought you were saying something else.

Mr. Karate

growleaves wrote: »

I've deleted my reply because I read your post wrong. I thought you were saying something else.

No problem, I edited mine to make it less generalist.

CinemaGuy45

Mr. Karate wrote: »

No problem, I edited mine to make it less generalist.

You are a conspiracy nut job I will bet you are a white male too.:mad:

I get my information off RTE and they have warned us all about people like you.:D

Ginger n Lemon

SuperRabbit wrote: »

Tell me how a vaccine stops our ICUs being full up in January February or March?

Because that's what happens without lockdowns, and without ICUs people start dying of stupid **** that no one should ever die of in the 20th century, this has been clear since March, how do this tiny but very loud minority not get that

It'll be 2 years before enough people are vaccinated to have herd immunity, and that's assuming the loons don't convince lots of people not to get vaccinated, they are already working on that.

hynesie08 wrote: »

If you're proposing we lock down for another 2 years, you have no remit to call anyone a loon.....

Damn thats funny.

In all seriousness, why dont we just vaccinate elderly and vulnerable? Why do we need 70%+ vaccinated? This is a disease that 99.8%+ recover from, would be very difficult to get a buy in with the loon plans to keep lockdown going for another 2 years. At this stage even another 2 months, a lot of business owners already declared they wont close again in January.

Tork

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Just shows you that some people want to drag this out for as long as humanly possible.

Who wants to "drag this out for as long as humanly possible" and why?

I don't see what anybody has to gain from it. Covid is wrecking the economy, pushing other medical issues down the queue, inconveniencing everybody and being a general pain in the butt.

Ginger n Lemon

Tork wrote: »

Who wants to "drag this out for as long as humanly possible" and why?

I don't see what anybody has to gain from it. Covid is wrecking the economy, pushing other medical issues down the queue, inconveniencing everybody and being a general pain in the butt.

If I had to guess the WFH keyboard warriors would want to save on the commute for a bit longer and are more or less used to working in pajamas and waking up at 8.55 AM.

Then there are hysterical people who are just afraid to leave their house full stop.

Between these 2 cohorts youd have 30 % + of Irish population, unfortunately.

St.Spodo

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Just shows you that some people want to drag this out for as long as humanly possible.

Seeing some of this among people I know. I really hope the pessimism that we generally possess as Irish people doesnt drive down expectations for what needs to be done, fast, to push this virus out of our lives. The countries around us are primed to go after this virus, to vaccinate a critical mass of people before the summer rolls around. We must do the same and we must expect the same of our government. We are supremely well placed to do this; we're a small island country with good roads and we have access to millions of doses as part of the European Union. No more unhelpful pessimism and we will beat this soon.

GazzaL

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

If I had to guess the WFH keyboard warriors would want to save on the commute for a bit longer and are more or less used to working in pajamas and waking up at 8.55 AM.

Then there are hysterical people who are just afraid to leave their house full stop.

Between these 2 cohorts youd have 30 % + of Irish population, unfortunately.

Those people are so insulated from reality, they think almost everyone else is in the same boat as them. They don't realise that the vast majority are out and about and living life.

Dr. Bre

Was in the shops today and someone nearly jumped into the freezer when
I was passing them by. Sad to see hysteria like this

CinemaGuy45

I drove way outside the 5KM zone on Friday night to get a new console I am sure somebodies granny is now dead because of my reckless behaviour.:D

Tork

Policy makers are unlikely to want to drag this out for longer than it has to. The country needs people at work and businesses operating.

As for these so-called WFH keyboard wizards, maybe it's time to reconsider how we all work and travel. Before Covid kicked in, the buses and trains were overcrowded and traffic in major cities and towns had gone to hell. So what is wrong with giving people the chance to WFH if it is now viable option? All lockdown did was prove that it is viable for some and not for others.

Ginger n Lemon

Tork wrote: »

Policy makers are unlikely to want to drag this out for longer than it has to. The country needs people at work and businesses operating.

As for these so-called WFH keyboard wizards, maybe it's time to reconsider how we all work and travel. Before Covid kicked in, the buses and trains were overcrowded and traffic in major cities and towns had gone to hell. So what is wrong with giving people the chance to WFH if it is now viable option? All lockdown did was prove that it is viable for some and not for others.

I am not against WFH, what I will say though, and quote some partners from top legal firm, is that "it is very difficult to build company culture over Zoom".

In general, if WFH was a gr8 thing and improved happiness and productivity levels, it wouldve been rolled out much more 2015 onward. Much much more.

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

If I had to guess the WFH keyboard warriors would want to save on the commute for a bit longer and are more or less used to working in pajamas and waking up at 8.55 AM.

Then there are hysterical people who are just afraid to leave their house full stop.

Between these 2 cohorts youd have 30 % + of Irish population, unfortunately.

Exactly. Those securely working from home on full salary are saving more than ever. Miserly penny pinchers who turn their noses up at pubs, cinemas, theatres and other social pursuits. It's in their vested interest to maintain the status quo, hence a vociferous presence on boards defending the actions of NPHET and supporting more lockdowns. And deriding traditional publicans reduced to the scratcher for December, they can't relate to their struggles on any level. Why would they in their insulated little bubble.

Whatsisname

A lot of us who work from home and still get full salary want everything to go back to normal too. Not all of us sit on our ivory tower and overlook the peasants who have no choice but to physically attend to work. I find the most pro lockdown people I know are people who still live at home with their parents. Even as someone who’s more introverted than extroverted, WFH can get pretty miserable, especially from a small one bed apartment. I’d love nothing more to be able to go back to the cinema after going for a meal, I’d go back to the workplace in a heartbeat if I could actually live again instead of just living to work.

cian68

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People still do it in the park or on the pavement. Turn their back to you when you’re walking by, even if a couple of meters away. To be that scared of everything and everyone around you must be a really horrible way to live

Nah it takes a couple of seconds to step aside and keep their distance. Barely impacts their life

growleaves

MPs who destroy the jobs of others should lose theirs...

It was in those vital days at the end of March – when we should all have resisted and almost nobody did – that we allowed the handcuffs to be snapped on our wrists.

None of this has worked. As I have pointed out from the start, there is no evidence that the repeated throttling of our society and economy has saved a single life. Plenty of research confirms this.

The latest is an article in the journal Public Health of November 19, entitled Covid-19 Mortality: A Matter Of Vulnerability Among Nations Facing Limited Margins Of Adaptation.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full

After surveying the world’s supposed struggle against the virus, it concludes: ‘Stringency of the measures settled to fight pandemia, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked with death rate.’

By contrast, we do know that it has cost many lives, through postponed operations and lost opportunities to treat undiagnosed sicknesses, and through the misery, mental illness and despair caused by the crushing of normal human society and the mass destruction of jobs and livelihoods.

‘Lockdowns’ work very well if what you want to do is to destroy a happy and prosperous society and replace it with a desert.

terenc

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Japan coping well..

The National Police Agency said suicides surged to 2,153 in October alone, with more than 17,000 people taking their own lives this year to date, CBS reported.

By comparison, fewer than 2,000 people in the country have died from COVID-19 in 2020

https://www.foxnews.com/world/more-people-died-of-suicide-in-japan-in-one-month-than-the-entire-coronavirus-pandemic

Fox News telling the American people how lucky they were having Trump has president but under Biden suidides will rocket and the Justice System is to blame for this whole sorry saga :pac::pac:

Zebra3

For those wondering how we are gonna get out of this mess, it's ultimately up to the government which more than likely will mean the return to normality will be dictated by the need the need to safeguard their seats at the next GE.

Everything else will be secondary.

afro man

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Was in the shops today and someone nearly jumped into the freezer when
I was passing them by. Sad to see hysteria like this

I usually sneeze or cough to let them know I'll be passing them by

Tork

Zebra3 wrote: »

For those wondering how we are gonna get out of this mess, it's ultimately up to the government which more than likely will mean the return to normality will be dictated by the need the need to safeguard their seats at the next GE.

Everything else will be secondary.

The biggest issue will be dampening the expectations about how long it'll take to vaccinate people. Covid is taking up just about all the government's time and certainly isn't doing FF any good. Only a small cohort of people want lockdown to continue and I think it gets exaggerated on forums like this and on social media.

Gervais08

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Exactly. Those securely working from home on full salary are saving more than ever. Miserly penny pinchers who turn their noses up at pubs, cinemas, theatres and other social pursuits. It's in their vested interest to maintain the status quo, hence a vociferous presence on boards defending the actions of NPHET and supporting more lockdowns. And deriding traditional publicans reduced to the scratcher for December, they can't relate to their struggles on any level. Why would they in their insulated little bubble.

Hey I am loving working from home don’t get me wrong - but to get back to normal even if it a means 20 hours of commuting a week bring it the **** on!!!

completedit

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am not against WFH, what I will say though, and quote some partners from top legal firm, is that "it is very difficult to build company culture over Zoom".

In general, if WFH was a gr8 thing and improved happiness and productivity levels, it wouldve been rolled out much more 2015 onward. Much much more.

Look at the film The Internship. There's no way in an era where company culture is king that WFH will take off.

dalyboy

Tork wrote: »

The biggest issue will be dampening the expectations about how long it'll take to vaccinate people. Covid is taking up just about all the government's time and certainly isn't doing FF any good. Only a small cohort of people want lockdown to continue and I think it gets exaggerated on forums like this and on social media.

Once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated really should spell the end of the disproportionate reactive madness.

Why is “herd immunity” all of sudden required ?

Everything should reopen by the summer latest and one of Europe’s youngest demographic nations get back to work and living.

Mr. Karate

Tork wrote: »

Who wants to "drag this out for as long as humanly possible" and why?

If you listen to the Govt NPHET and the media you would certainly get the idea they do. Earlier in the year we "We need a vaccine. Once we have the vaccine we can return to normal". Now a vaccine is upon us and now suddenly it might not be enough to return to normal.

Even the BBC have lightened up on the misery porn. They have people on saying that once the vaccine rolls out [this week in UK] 90% of the economy could be permanently re-opened by the end of 1QTR 2021. That's a sharp contrast between BBC and RTE and we didn't get that many cases or deaths compared to Britain or other Countries.