Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Tork

Mr. Karate wrote: »

If you listen to the Govt NPHET and the media you would certainly get the idea they do. Earlier in the year we "We need a vaccine. Once we have the vaccine we can return to normal". Now a vaccine is upon us and now suddenly it might not be enough to return to normal.
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That sounds more like a dampening of expectations than a desire to crater the economy. We don't know yet how effective the vaccine will be in the wild or how long it will take to roll out. We don't know if a mutant strain will come along or if a large number of people will refuse the vaccine.

Why would the government want to keep this going for longer than they have to? It is doing untold damage and I'm sure the politicians are well aware of that. It makes sense that NPHET will have a different point of view because many of them are doctors. They can take very black and white, blinkered views on things anyway.

is_that_so

dalyboy wrote: »

Once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated really should spell the end of the disproportionate reactive madness.

Why is “herd immunity” all of sudden required ?

Everything should reopen by the summer latest and one of Europe’s youngest demographic nations get back to work and living.

Because it minimises the risk of further widespread infections. For this they reckon it to be about 70%, so that level of vaccination take-up.

CruelSummer

Why is Tómas Ryan on Six One? He's not even a virologist, immunologist, anything related to Covid. He's a neuroscientist. We just hear from those who fearmongerer on a daily basis. Mooting Restrictions being brought back before restrictions are even lifted.

normanoffside

CruelSummer wrote: »

Why is Tómas Ryan on Six One? He's not even a virologist, immunologist, anything related to Covid. He's a neuroscientist. We just hear from those who fearmongerer on a daily basis. Mooting Restrictions being brought back before restrictions are even lifted.

He wants to avoid re-imposing restrictions in January by not lifting them in the first place

is_that_so

CruelSummer wrote: »

Why is Tómas Ryan on Six One? He's not even a virologist, immunologist, anything related to Covid. He's a neuroscientist. We just hear from those who fearmongerer on a daily basis. Mooting Restrictions being brought back before restrictions are even lifted.

The numbers don't bother us that much any more and they need somebody who'll "ask questions". The media are fans of the alternative COVID voices!

Hooter23

I have heard the government talk more about keeping pubs and takeaways open more than anything else...For a government that says they are doing all this to protect peoples health its very strange...what a joke

The White Wolf

Looking forward to the gym on Tuesday for however long it lasts.

Captain_Crash

completedit wrote: »

Look at the film The Internship. There's no way in an era where company culture is king that WFH will take off.

I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again... the technology for WFH has been here for over 20 years! There’s a reason it never took off en masse before and it’s the same reason most people will be back in the office 9-5 in the near future! Companies don’t want staff at home and out of sight!

end of the road

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Damn thats funny.

In all seriousness, why dont we just vaccinate elderly and vulnerable? Why do we need 70%+ vaccinated? This is a disease that 99.8%+ recover from, would be very difficult to get a buy in with the loon plans to keep lockdown going for another 2 years. At this stage even another 2 months, a lot of business owners already declared they wont close again in January.

we need a high majority vaccinated to bring about herd immunity and minimise if not completely eradicate the spread of the virus and protect those who cannot actually take the vaccination due to medical reasons.
the elderly and vulnerable who can take the vaccine are first on the list i believe along with health care workers but unless you want continued restrictions for a lot longer then vaccination of a high majority will be the key.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

If I had to guess the WFH keyboard warriors would want to save on the commute for a bit longer and are more or less used to working in pajamas and waking up at 8.55 AM.

Then there are hysterical people who are just afraid to leave their house full stop.

Between these 2 cohorts youd have 30 % + of Irish population, unfortunately.

the wfh non-keyboard warriors wouldn't want to drag it out as it effects them in other ways.
and anyway, some of them will get to continue to save on the commute anyway as there will be businesses who decide they have had enough of paying big rents for office space when they can operate remotely.
there are either no hysterical people who are afraid to leave their house, or they are in such a minority that most of us haven't come across them, only the anti-everything brigade who are themselves a tiny minority being the only ones to come across them.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am not against WFH, what I will say though, and quote some partners from top legal firm, is that "it is very difficult to build company culture over Zoom".

In general, if WFH was a gr8 thing and improved happiness and productivity levels, it wouldve been rolled out much more 2015 onward. Much much more.

very unlikely as the infrastructure to support it wasn't as vast back then in ireland as it is now.
there also wasn't much proof of concept outside a couple of industries.
it's very easy to build a basic company culture over zoom, as in do the work you are paid for, with the rest of the "company culture" as in all the political like bull dumped as it should be.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

If you listen to the Govt NPHET and the media you would certainly get the idea they do. Earlier in the year we "We need a vaccine. Once we have the vaccine we can return to normal". Now a vaccine is upon us and now suddenly it might not be enough to return to normal.

Even the BBC have lightened up on the misery porn. They have people on saying that once the vaccine rolls out [this week in UK] 90% of the economy could be permanently re-opened by the end of 1QTR 2021. That's a sharp contrast between BBC and RTE and we didn't get that many cases or deaths compared to Britain or other Countries.

yes, nphet and the government are being realistic and are avoiding getting people's hopes and expectations up in terms of the vaccine, which is quite right and necessary.

The White Wolf

normanoffside wrote: »

He wants to avoid re-imposing restrictions in January by not lifting them in the first place

I'd be fairly certain anyone advocating for the above will continue to demand ongoing lockdowns. So don't open for Christmas so we can open in January, but then demand a lockdown in February once the numbers take a turn that they don't like. Repeat infinitum and it's the exact type of short term thinking they accuse others of having.

Doesn't seem worth missing out on a semi enjoyable Christmas with family to me.

Penfailed

CruelSummer wrote: »

Mooting Restrictions being brought back before restrictions are even lifted.

This is common knowledge. You seem surprised.

hamburgham

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again... the technology for WFH has been here for over 20 years! There’s a reason it never took off en masse before and it’s the same reason most people will be back in the office 9-5 in the near future! Companies don’t want staff at home and out of sight!

I’m totally against restrictions and lockdown and fortunate to be WFH. I cannot bear the thought of having to go back into the office. My commute isn’t even that bad compared to many. Many’s the morning, I’ve looked out at the rain and thanked God I didn’t have to make the journey in. WFH is a dream come true. I’ve accepted I’ll have to go back in 2/3 days a week but just couldn’t do full time now having experienced this release from the drudgery of the commute.

Tork

hamburgham wrote: »

I’m totally against restrictions and lockdown and fortunate to be WFH. I cannot bear the thought of having to go back into the office. My commute isn’t even that bad compared to many. Many’s the morning, I’ve looked out at the rain and thanked God I didn’t have to make the journey in. WFH is a dream come true. I’ve accepted I’ll have to go back in 2/3 days a week but just couldn’t do full time now having experienced this release from the drudgery of the commute.

Looking at some surveys done since covid, it looks like a lot of people would like a mixture of WFH and going into the office. Whether this ever comes to pass remains to be seen.

vafankillar

here's a question. will the many 'wet pubs' currently doing take away pints now be allowed let those customers use their bathroom facilities? was one of the biggest obstacles with the whole take away thing, almost more so than the weather since almost no public toiles open in dublin other than the one beside stephens green and the one at wolftone square.

Boggles

vafankillar wrote: »

here's a question. will the many 'wet pubs' currently doing take away pints now be allowed let those customers use their bathroom facilities?

No.

griffdaddy

They allow customers to use their toilets now, why wouldn't they?

vafankillar

griffdaddy wrote: »

They allow customers to use their toilets now, why wouldn't they?

most of them only a a small hatch open or stall at the doorway, customers aren't usually actually going in at all from what i've seen. could be wrong with a few doing it.

Mr. Karate

end of the road wrote: »

yes, nphet and the government are being realistic and are avoiding getting people's hopes and expectations up in terms of the vaccine, which is quite right and necessary.

At this stage people need some hope. People's lives have been ruined by all these excessive lockdowns. Its not asking too much to want to start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel at this point.

griffdaddy

vafankillar wrote: »

most of them only a a small hatch open or stall at the doorway, customers aren't usually actually going in at all from what i've seen. could be wrong with a few doing it.

Usually you just ask them and they're grand with it, although some of them in the city centre have their toilets fully open and accessible

Tork

Mr. Karate wrote: »

At this stage people need some hope. People's lives have been ruined by all these excessive lockdowns. Its not asking too much to want to start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel at this point.

No it isn't but there's no point in having people believe that life will be back to normal in January. It is going to take time to roll the vaccines out.

end of the road

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I can see you being a CEO of Kerry group. Having to talk to employees who are being let go

you: "look, its the end of the road for you here"
employee: "why? I did my job"
you: "yeah but its global recession. now get out"

Seriously, that in bold shows just what a great peoples manager you would be

minimisation of spread and controlling the virus is of course the best way to get ourselves out of our current situation, the government along with most other governments recognise this and that is why most countries have had restrictions and lock downs.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

At this stage people need some hope. People's lives have been ruined by all these excessive lockdowns. Its not asking too much to want to start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel at this point.

agreed but the hope must be based on actual realistic knowns.
getting people's hopes up for them to be crushed is just not a good idea.

completedit

Let's open the pubs and allow take away pints. Let's close roads when people actually decide to go and take advantage of said rule. There's no doubt in my mind that there are lockdown advocates who are reveling in the restrictions. I gather these are highly ordered people who love authority, rules and regulations. That's fair enough, it's just how they're wired, they can't help but we can't allow these people to dictate the agenda which has happened over the past few months. Just saw a video from Old town Prague, nobody cares about Corona anymore. They brought the Christmas tree to the center today, people are congregating and enjoying the festive mood.

Mr. Karate

I don't think anybody expects to go back to normal come Jan 1st, but its not too much to ask that we can resume some level of normality during the year. And not keep trying to kick the can down the road to 2022 and beyond.

Tork

I would love to know how many of these so-called "lockdown advocates" actually exist outside of medical circles. My guess is that there aren't that many of them really. If you've ever had to deal with a medical consultant, you'll know what their mindset is. They see the world differently to other people and I wonder how many ordinary folk really buy into everything they say.

From my anecdotal experience, everybody is living their lives as best they can despite the restrictions. They understand why they are there but don't all agree with them. I don't know anybody who thinks restricting people to 5km of their house or inside their county is anything other than gesture to be seen to do something. Closing non-essential shops is simply a way to stop the people who see shopping as a recreation from hanging around in towns.

Tork

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I don't think anybody expects to go back to normal come Jan 1st, but its not too much to ask that we can resume some level of normality during the year. And not keep trying to kick the can down the road to 2022 and beyond.

Who has quoted 2022?

copeyhagen

ok. so if someone is sitting in a pub with covid, they mus be aysmptomatic to begin with. so how is sitting in a pub worse than sitting in a gastro pub, or a cafe, or a cnema, or anywhere else.

****ing stupidity

Gervais08

copeyhagen wrote: »

ok. so if someone is sitting in a pub with covid, they mus be aysmptomatic to begin with. so how is sitting in a pub worse than sitting in a gastro pub, or a cafe, or a cnema, or anywhere else.

****ing stupidity

Because apparently after a couple of pints we all lose our minds and start having orgies in pubs.

Mental stuff alright it is.

Zebra3

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again... the technology for WFH has been here for over 20 years! There’s a reason it never took off en masse before and it’s the same reason most people will be back in the office 9-5 in the near future! Companies don’t want staff at home and out of sight!

Brother works for a large German insurance company.

They've had people working at home for years.

Cutting costs and also the ability to provide a constant service in the event of bad snow, etc.

vafankillar

griffdaddy wrote: »

Usually you just ask them and they're grand with it, although some of them in the city centre have their toilets fully open and accessible

actually I have asked while there and told they weren't open. I also work in a supermarket and ours have been closed in level 5.

which places have you used?

Tork

The shopping centre near me still has its toilets open - they have a sign up to say you have to wear a mask