Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

What vaccine is this?

The one we all got as kids and the one which had been rolled out to tens of thousands of health care workers around the world.
"They found that workers who had received BCG vaccinations in the past - nearly 30 per cent of those studied - were significantly less likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in their blood or to report having had infections with coronavirus or coronavirus-associated symptoms over the prior six months than those who had not received them."

BCG vaccine you should check it out...

thebaz

Boggles wrote: »

Go. Let me hear them.

maybe asking public to behave in a mature manner - social distance, no crowded indoor bars and public transport , wear masks indoors - rather than dictating for 8 week how we live, and telling us every day how bad we are doing and how at risk we are , instilling over- anxiety and fear in to the majority - if the hospitals are becoming over-crowded warn us, but do we need to hear the daily cases every single day ?

Ginger n Lemon

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, just incoherent ranting and raving. Do you ever get sick of it? Can you not engage properly with anyone?

Food poverty in the UK has existed for years and is not a new phenomenon.

That's not my opinion.



How do you prevent mass unemployment in once in a generation pandemic?

Realistically you only have a choice of bad options, you pick the least worse.

Bankruptcies and suicides also occurred pre covid.

Unfortunately they have increased dramatically since your "lockdown religion" has been implemented.

And now all you do is clap like a happy seal whenever restrictions are announced, while asking other boards posters to tell you what are the "living with covid" alternatives. Sad state of affairs.

treade1

treade1 wrote: »

Did you hear what Martin Feeley said to George Hook on Covid Recovery Ireland? Basically if vaccines are 75% effective and 75% of people take them the chances of someone dying are reduced by 50%. So it will reduce the IFR by 50%. It will be interesting to see what happens. It is hard to see the vaccine satisfying the lockdowners. Either the money runs out for PUP and the government end restrictions out of economic necessity or else a protest movement akin to Right to Water develops forcing the government to change direction. Unfortunately there is no sign of a credible protest movement developing that ordinary working people can get behind without been labelled a far right lunatic tinfoil hat wearing anti-vaxer!

Martin Feeley is talking out of his arse on this one. If 75% of people get a 75% effective virus, 56% of the population are immune, another 5%+ will have had the virus meaning a 60% + reduction in transmission and a very slow spread of the virus in society with hospitals never overloaded therefore a return to as good as normal.

Now in reality we have 3 90% effective vaccines and those most vulnerable to the virus will have the highest uptake, so in summary, what Martin Feeley has to say to George Hook is irrelevant

Boggles

thebaz wrote: »

maybe asking public to behave in a mature manner - social distance, no crowded indoor bars and public transport , wear masks indoors - rather than dictating for 8 week how we live, and telling us every day how bad we are doing and how at risk we are , instilling over- anxiety and fear in to the majority - if the hospitals are becoming over-crowded warn us, but do we need to hear the daily cases every single day ?

They do that every single day.

So, what do you suggest now?

BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, just incoherent ranting and raving. Do you ever get sick of it? Can you not engage properly with anyone?

Food poverty in the UK has existed for years and is not a new phenomenon.

That's not my opinion.



How do you prevent mass unemployment in once in a generation pandemic?

Realistically you only have a choice of bad options, you pick the least worse.

We've had 45,000 cases over the past several months and 250 deaths. We've hardly gone past single digits for daily deaths I don't see the point of lockdown anymore now that we know the death toll isn't 3-4%

Boggles

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Bankruptcies and suicides also occurred pre covid.

Unfortunately they have increased dramatically since your "lockdown religion" has been implemented.

Suicides in Ireland have increased dramatically?

Could you link up that data please?

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

And now all you do is clap like a happy seal whenever restrictions are announced, while asking other boards posters to tell you what are the "living with covid" alternatives. Sad state of affairs.

By all means post up the alternatives, I'd love to hear them.

You have been on the pot long enough now, make a decision.

thebaz

Boggles wrote: »

They do that every single day.

So, what do you suggest now?

re-read - I'm going out for some excercise - lifes too short

Rrrrrr2

Boggles wrote: »

Next level hyperbole.

But anyway food poverty in England is hardly a new phenomenon.

More people than ever turning to food banks, charity says

Indeed, let them eat cake...

For those of us actually with some feelings, that video was very upsetting and touching. All bar none said the lockdown had exasperated already dire circumstances- the poorest are hammered hardest.
Not sure what the social welfare was like in England for lockdown but unlikely to be as generous as here

Ginger n Lemon

Boggles wrote: »

Suicides in Ireland have increased dramatically?

Could you link up that data please?



By all means post up the alternatives, I'd love to hear them.

You have been on the pot long enough now, make a decision.

Nice to see you have some brain cells not to question increase in bankruptcies. You are on your way to enlightenment

What are you a 3 year old child who needs to have everything explained? If you cant muster a living with covid strategy in your brain, you are beyond help.

Boggles

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

We've had 45,000 cases over the past several months and 250 deaths. We've hardly gone past single digits for daily deaths I don't see the point of lockdown anymore now that we know the death toll isn't 3-4%

Why do you think that is?

Would restrictions have anything to do with it?

Boggles

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Nice to see you have some brain cells not to question increase in bankruptcies. You are on your way to enlightenment

What are you a 3 year old child who needs to have everything explained? If you cant muster a living with covid strategy in your brain, you are beyond help.

When you get a chance could you answer the below. Good lad.

Boggles wrote: »

Suicides in Ireland have increased dramatically?

Could you link up that data please?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Why do you think that is?

Would restrictions have anything to do with it?

We would have been much better off being like Czech republic with the population adjusted equivalent of 2,500 deaths a month and having to lockdown anyway, including shutting schools and implementing curfews

Necro

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Nice to see you have some brain cells not to question increase in bankruptcies. You are on your way to enlightenment

What are you a 3 year old child who needs to have everything explained? If you cant muster a living with covid strategy in your brain, you are beyond help.

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Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

We would have been much better off being like Czech republic with the population adjusted equivalent of 2,500 deaths a month and having to lockdown anyway, including shutting schools and implementing curfews

The disconnect from reality is quite worrying TBH.

"Restrictions are a waste of time look at our low numbers"

BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

Why do you think that is?

Would restrictions have anything to do with it?

No but 45,000 cases and 250deaths isn't exactly the black death 2.0 we're treating it as. It's an overreaction and we'll be facing the economic and social consequences for a long time afterwards

Boggles

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

No but 45,000 cases and 250deaths isn't exactly the black death 2.0 we're treating it as. It's an overreaction and we'll be facing the economic and social consequences for a long time afterwards

I do think their is a debate around which restrictions should take place, but you do understand the need for restrictions?

It's a once in a generation pandemic there is no way around economic and social consequences.

BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

I do think their is a debate around which restrictions should take place, but you do understand the need for restrictions?

It's a once in a generation pandemic there is no way around economic and social consequences.

The problem is there's absolutely no debate at the minute. The government's and the HSE and nphets answer to everything is level 5. We're getting 3 weeks for Christmas and it's straight back to level 5 for god knows how long. There's no nuance or thinking being applied just the sledgehammer approach that maximizes the burden on the ordinary people

Boggles

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

The problem is there's absolutely no debate at the minute. The government's and the HSE and nphets answer to everything is level 5. We're getting 3 weeks for Christmas and it's straight back to level 5 for god knows how long. There's no nuance or thinking being applied just the sledgehammer approach that maximizes the burden on the ordinary people

I'd be pretty sure the debate between governance and NPHET has been quite intense at times.

But who do you think should be involved in the debate that isn't?

I'm pretty sure we are at a level 3 hybrid at the minute, with restaurants and pubs to open Friday (against public health advice).

pjohnson

If there is no debate then why are the government AGAIN differing from NPHET?

weldoninhio

john4321 wrote: »

Good to know hope you are enjoying his KETO diet plan.


"Ivor Cummins BE(Chem) CEng MIEI PMP completed a Biochemical Engineering degree in 1990"


Wouldn't rely on him much for epidemiology information thought.

Much better to get our Covid advice from Ronan Glynn, Physio, eh? :rolleyes:

BeefeaterHat

pjohnson wrote: »

If there is no debate then why are the government AGAIN differing from NPHET?

They only went against NPHET because they absolutely had to. They know people will be getting together to some degree over the Christmas and fighting that will only demoralize and piss people off. And again this is only for 3 weeks and a January lockdown is being spoken of as a guarantee so I'm not going to weep with gratitude for the scraps we're being thrown

Boggles

weldoninhio wrote: »

Much better to get our Covid advice from Ronan Glynn, Physio, eh? :rolleyes:

Glynn graduated from University College Dublin, where he obtained a Bachelor of Science in Physiotherapy, in 2002. He completed a Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery at the University of Aberdeen in 2007, a PhD in Surgical Oncology from NUI Galway in 2013 and a first-class honours Masters in Public Health (MPH) from University College Dublin in 2015.

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BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

I'd be pretty sure the debate between governance and NPHET has been quite intense at times.

But who do you think should be involved in the debate that isn't?

I'm pretty sure we are at a level 3 hybrid at the minute, with restaurants and pubs to open Friday (against public health advice).

I think there should be less involvement from Holohan and NPHET as a whole and more involvement from financial experts, sociologists and retail and hospitality groups. There should be a round table approach to the measures rather than NPHET running to the press and trying to back the government into a corner.

weldoninhio

Boggles wrote: »

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Not one qualification in infectious diseases, virology, epidemiology or anything at all pertaining to infectious disease, airborne disease, respiratory disease or pandemics. You've just backed my point up. Thanks.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Much better to get our Covid advice from Ronan Glynn, Physio, eh? :rolleyes:

Its like people think the views presented are those of one individual

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Not one qualification in infectious diseases, virology, epidemiology or anything at all pertaining to infectious disease, airborne disease, respiratory disease or pandemics. You've just backed my point up. Thanks.

a first-class honours Masters in Public Health

But Ivor speaks in a sarcastic voice on Youtube and ye lap up every word he says in spite of 90% of what he says being either nonsense or complete and deliberate misrepresentation on the facts

weldoninhio

Deleted User wrote: »

Its like people think the views presented are those of one individual

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

Vast majority are HSE or DoH. Remove Covid from the equation. Lets pretend it's this time last year.

Out of 10, how well do you thing the people running the HSE have done over the past few years?? Yearly trolley crises without an end in sight, cervical cancer scandals, yearly court settlements in the 00s of millions, dead bodies being left on trolleys and leaking fluid all over the floor in Waterford.

These are the people you are placing your trust in to lead us through this sh1tshow??

weldoninhio

Deleted User wrote: »

But Ivor speaks in a sarcastic voice on Youtube and ye lap up every word he says in spite of 90% of what he says being either nonsense or complete and deliberate misrepresentation on the facts

I've never once mentioned Ivor? I don't follow him or know his background.

BeefeaterHat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But Ivor speaks in a sarcastic voice on Youtube and ye lap up every word he says in spite of 90% of what he says being either nonsense or complete and deliberate misrepresentation on the facts

I don't watch ivor Cummins but he's certainly not as bad as Sam McConkey going on rte predicting 100,000 plus deaths back in March and most recently talking down the vaccines.

Not to mention George Lee predicting 1000 deaths a day after Christmas despite the largest daily death toll globally being 8,500.

Ones a Trinity professor and the other is the science correspondent for rte and both are as egotistical and irresponsible as the other.