Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

RobitTV

Penfailed wrote: »

He didn't say his views were 'fringe' though.

He said the Tory MP was a fringe backbencher, that is a matter of opinion. He is entitled to hold that opinion.

I don't think his views are fringe amongst the general public. But that is my opinion and I am entitled to share that view.

RobitTV

pjohnson wrote: »

No just amusing how again you guys forget how to practice what you preach. It really didn't take long this time must be a record.

If you want Sir Desmond Swayne to be adressed by his title "Sir" then its odd you mistitle Boris Johnson "Comrade".

I don't want or demand that Sir Desmond Swayne be addressed that way :pac: where have you got that idea from? I am not suggesting or even demanding people use sir.

People are free to say what they think. I have now repeated this multiple times.

darconio

Paddygreen wrote: »

Have the Death numbers been called out yet guys? I have two score and ten on with a chum that it will be an even number tonight.

18 dead today
Must be the effect of penneys opening their gates no other explanation
Quick, let's lock down everything before it's too late, bloody granny killers not even wearing their masks outside, and the street was jammed :pac:

RobitTV

Large rebellion on the Conservative benches tonight, 73 Tory MPs rebelled against Boris Johnson (some abstained). Easily the biggest rebellion since the votes on the Brexit deal under Theresa May's leadership.

16 Labour MPs rebelled and voted with the Tory rebels.

Drama too as Boris Johnson stood begging at 'Aye Lobby' for Tory MPs to vote with the Government.

Is he losing his grip on the Conservative Party?

pythonfoot

In level 3 are hotels still only open for essential workers ?

BeefeaterHat

darconio wrote: »

18 dead today
Must be the effect of penneys opening their gates no other explanation
Quick, let's lock down everything before it's too late, bloody granny killers not even wearing their masks outside, and the street was jammed :pac:

Who knows maybe the government, NPHET and the HSE will finally get their own house in order and stop outbreaks from constantly occuring in care homes and hospitals before blaming the public immediately. Dare to dream.

Boggles

RobitTV wrote: »

Large rebellion on the Conservative benches tonight, 73 Tory MPs rebelled against Boris Johnson (some abstained). Easily the biggest rebellion since the votes on the Brexit deal under Theresa May's leadership.

16 Labour MPs rebelled and voted with the Tory rebels.

Drama too as Boris Johnson stood begging at 'Aye Lobby' for Tory MPs to vote with the Government.

Is he losing his grip on the Conservative Party?

The system was approved by 291 votes to 78, a majority of 213

Tight one all right.

pjohnson

Boggles wrote: »

Tight one all right.

Doesnt get much tighter.

RobitTV

Most of the Labour MPs abstained with other parties. Including the Labour leader Keir Starmer.

There are 650 MPs in the Parliament. only 371 voted.

Only 45% of Parliament voted in favour of this plan (291)

Such a roaring endorsement, I agree.

_Kaiser_

darconio wrote: »

18 dead today
Must be the effect of penneys opening their gates no other explanation
Quick, let's lock down everything before it's too late, bloody granny killers not even wearing their masks outside, and the street was jammed :pac:

RIP to those who died - however I fully expect that it'll emerge a lot of those are from weeks or months ago, or the numbers were miscalculated or something.

Day 1 of the reopening that Tony and NPHET opposed and we have a large "daily" number? Coincidence I'm sure.... :rolleyes:

pjohnson

RobitTV wrote: »

Most of the Labour MPs abstained with other parties. Including the Labour leader Keir Starmer.

There are 650 MPs in the Parliament. only 371 voted.

Only 45% of Parliament voted in favour of this plan (291)

Abstention isnt much of a rebellion. Rebellion would be to actually vote against it.

But instead all talk and bluster and when it came down to it? Nothing.

RobitTV

pjohnson wrote: »

Abstention isnt much of a rebellion. Rebellion would be to actually vote against it.

But instead all talk and bluster and when it came down to it? Nothing.

Keir Starmer is in a tough place. The Conservative benches had a significant rebellion, but Labour chose to abstain. Not sure what is the best outcome for them these days. Not much of a 'opposition' at times.

copeyhagen

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

RIP to those who died - however I fully expect that it'll emerge a lot of those are from weeks or months ago, or the numbers were miscalculated or something.

Day 1 of the reopening that Tony and NPHET opposed and we have a large "daily" number? Coincidence I'm sure.... :rolleyes:

15 from November, 2 from October, 2 under investigation. nothing new here

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

RIP to those who died - however I fully expect that it'll emerge a lot of those are from weeks or months ago, or the numbers were miscalculated or something.

Of the 18 deaths reported today, one death occurred in October, 15 deaths occurred in November and two are under investigation.

The Department of Health said that in the case of the deaths under investigation, the date of death is to be confirmed

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Day 1 of the reopening that Tony and NPHET opposed and we have a large "daily" number? Coincidence I'm sure.... :rolleyes:

Nope.

The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has today been notified of 18 additional deaths related to COVID-19

RobitTV

The former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said he voted against the government’s coronavirus restrictions.

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1333861812673138692

RobitTV

I suppose Jeremy Corbyn since he has such a history of being a true patriotic right wing conservative, he will be next in line for being called a 'right-wing nut' - 'conservative populist' - 'anti-vax' - 'fringe conservative'

normanoffside

copeyhagen wrote: »

15 from November, 2 from October, 2 under investigation. nothing new here

And 2 denotified just for the craic, Can't take these numbers seriously anymore.

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1333839589304307712

normanoffside

darconio wrote: »

Must be the effect of penneys opening their gates no other explanation

Must have been crushed in the queues.
Those deaths are associated with covid as if it wasn't for covid, Pennies wouldn't have been closed in the first place causing the crush today.

FintanMcluskey

copeyhagen wrote: »

15 from November, 2 from October, 2 under investigation. nothing new here

2 under investigation?

I hope they aren’t underground if confusion exists as to whether they are dead or not

normanoffside

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

2 under investigation?

I’m hope they aren’t underground if confusion exists as to whether they are dead or not

Not sure if they are dead or not
Not sure when they died.
Not sure if they had covid or not.

Feck it announce them anyway (and denotify 2 the same day).
Pure rubbish.

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

I hope all the users on here who are ready to bash Sir Desmond Swayne, are ready to make themselves available to talk to the voters of New Forest West who share a different opinion. Democracy in action.

Like anyone but the Conservative candidate would ever get elected in a constituency like new forest west. Even Adolf Hitler would stand a chance as long as he were on the Tory ticket. You do understand that in the majority of England the individual candidate has no bearing on election performance?

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

And 2 denotified just for the craic, Can't take these numbers seriously anymore.

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1333839589304307712

You do understand how denotifications happen don’t you? The coroner rules on final cause of death improving the accuracy of the numbers

RobitTV

Deleted User wrote: »

Like anyone but the Conservative candidate would ever get elected in a constituency like new forest west. Even Adolf Hitler would stand a chance as long as he were on the Tory ticket. You do understand that in the majority of England the individual candidate has no bearing on election performance?

'Even Adolf Hitler would stand a chance as long as he were on the Tory ticket'

Wow, are you trying to say something else here? so much for civility :pac: the voters of New Forest West will be over the moon about that remark. I'm sure a WW2 Nazi dictator who had tried to invade the United Kingdom would win easily :rolleyes:

Don't tell us ...*drum roll* ... Torys = Nazis

Come on man, you can tell us.

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

'Even Adolf Hitler would stand a chance as long as he were on the Tory ticket'

Wow, are you trying to say something else here? so much for civility :pac: the voters of New Forest West will be over the moon about that remark. I'm sure a WW2 Nazi dictator who had tried to invade the United Kingdom would win easily :rolleyes:

Don't tell us ...*drum roll* ... Torys = Nazis

Come on man, you can tell us.

Way to spectacularly miss the point. English voters vote for the party irrespective of the candidate. I could just have easily said Joseph Stalin would have gotten elected for the Tories in New Forest West if it upsets your sensibilities that much

RobitTV

Deleted User wrote: »

Way to spectacularly miss the point. English voters vote for the party irrespective of the candidate. I could just have easily said Joseph Stalin would have gotten elected for the Tories in New Forest West if it upsets your sensibilities that much

You should stand as the candidate for the Conservative Party in New Forest West when Sir Desmond Swayne retires.

We will have to make sure those remarks are screenshotted for the local constituents to view when you run. You will go down a treat trust me! :pac:

So Stalin is a better example / comparison somehow? my goodness gracious, my sensibilities have been truly restored after that bombshell :pac:

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

You should stand as the candidate for the Conservative Party in New Forest West when Sir Desmond Swayne retires.

We will have to make sure those remarks are screenshotted for the local constituents to view when you run. You will go down a treat trust me! :pac:

So Stalin is a better example / comparison somehow? my goodness my sensibilities have been truly restored after that bombshell :pac:

Well they certainly wouldn’t vote for the Lib Dem or god forbid, Labour candidate. You do understand how the British system operates don’t you? The bold Desmond hunted around the country looking for a constituency that would have him. Striking out in the no hope constituency of Pontypridd, moving on to the more marginal West Bromwich West before being rewarded for his loyalty to the party with the safe New Forest West. The Tory candidate is never going to lose such a seat so can express whatever fringe positions he wishes safe in the knowledge that his seat will never come under threat.

RobitTV

Deleted User wrote: »

Well they certainly wouldn’t vote for the Lib Dem or god forbid, Labour candidate. You do understand how the British system operates don’t you? The bold Desmond hunted around the country looking for a constituency that would have him. Striking out in the no hope constituency of Pontypridd, moving on to the more marginal West Bromwich West before being rewarded for his loyalty to the party with the safe New Forest West. The Tory candidate is never going to lose such a seat so can express whatever fringe positions he wishes safe in the knowledge that his seat will never come under threat.

In the 1997 Conservative Party leadership election, Swayne supported Michael Howard, and later John Redwood.

Since New Forest West was only created as a constituency in 1997 and he supported two losing right-wing candidates for the leadership, I very much doubt he would of been rewarded for his loyalty to the party. He possibly got lucky since this was a redrawn and renamed constituency and the previous MP retired. (And Swayne was only 40 at the time) looking for younger blood?

Back at that time, John Redwood would of been considered a more fringe right-winger, at a time when the party was more centre-right leaning.

Rrrrrr2

normanoffside wrote: »

Not sure if they are dead or not
Not sure when they died.
Not sure if they had covid or not.

Feck it announce them anyway (and denotify 2 the same day).
Pure rubbish.

I agree absolutely scandalous carry on- they know damn well if they died or not “with” Covid or not- how the hell could there be so many de-notifications? This is pretty basic stuff- why announce “deaths” of something and then go back and say it wasn’t that

Rrrrrr2

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I agree absolutely scandalous carry on- they know damn well if they died or not “with” Covid or not- how the hell could there be so many de-notifications? This is pretty basic stuff- why announce “deaths” of something and then go back and say it wasn’t that

It’s the system working. That the thread fails to understand this is what I find most unusual

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s the system working. That the thread fails to understand this is what I find most unusual

The consistent excuses and justification of mediocrity (from NPHET and government) by a significant number of posters 10 months on is baffling to me.

The system only works when we sit at home in our pyjamas flushing 70 million a day down the toilet because we are all sitting at home