Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

average_runner

dalyboy wrote: »

NPHET have decided to continue the closure of pubs ?
So they are literally green lighting house parties.
That’s fine , house parties it is then.

The complete and utter anti-logic these clowns are applying to their own “reduce the infection numbers” agenda is as baffling as it is hilarious.

Having pubs opening would not stop the house parties. There would be social distancing in the pubs so you wouldn't have the same atmosphere as last xmas.


Go ahead with the house parties, we be in another lockdown for probably 2 months straight after it

average_runner

Lisa Gray Symmetry wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/status/1330776441697554432

That tweet has nothing to do with what I said, but thanks anyway

timmyntc

Lisa Gray Symmetry wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/status/1330776441697554432

Very tired of this line "Covid doesnt care if you're doing X, Y, Z".

This is about human behaviour and minimising risk of infection across the population. As we're seeing even today, you cannot close everything and get rid of people's social outlets - they will just socialise in private homes instead which is much more conducive to spread of covid.

Opening pubs is about giving people a social outlet and to discourage house parties, which are much larger drivers of spread.

average_runner

Lisa Gray Symmetry wrote: »

social distancing makes no difference indoors. but keep banging the drum

I wasn't banging the drum about it, i was stating there be no atmosphere in the pub because of social distancing.


I didn't push an agenda in any of those posts

Oh to add a bit of science to the above:

COVID-19 spreads primarily through respiratory droplets or contact with contaminated surfaces.
Droplets very rarely go further than 2 meters unless you are singing, spitting or shouting alot!!!!

timmyntc

Lisa Gray Symmetry wrote: »

social distancing makes no difference indoors. but keep banging the drum

Of course it does. This is pure science denial from yourself.

Orla Hegarty is claiming (according to international science) that because virus droplets build up in the air that any indoor environment will quickly become unsafe everywhere because of suspended droplets in the air. Which in a small, non-ventilated room might be true, but not a large pub or restaurant.

Also is there even any studies on how long the virus stays suspended in the air for? Because I havent seen them

dalyboy

average_runner wrote: »

Having pubs opening would not stop the house parties. There would be social distancing in the pubs so you wouldn't have the same atmosphere as last xmas.


Go ahead with the house parties, we be in another lockdown for probably 2 months straight after it

Having socially distant & regulated pubs open would reduce the number of and need to have “house parties” . That is a logical fact.

Tell me this though. What infection number do you imagine NPHET desire that will deter them from reinstalling a lockdown in January/ February?
Is it 100+ per day , is it 400+ per day , is it 5-10 per day ?
The real answer is no number will stop them and their agenda fuelled lockdown carnage.

facehugger99

Most of the infections are coming from hospitals and nursing homes but NPHET have successfully changed the narrative to have people fretting about pubs and house parties.

Ye're being played folks.

dalyboy

dalyboy wrote: »

NPHET have decided to continue the closure of pubs ?
So they are literally green lighting house parties.
That’s fine , house parties it is then.

The complete and utter anti-logic these clowns are applying to their own “reduce the infection numbers” agenda is as baffling as it is hilarious.

NPHET: "So now let's turn our attention to pubs. Any of us seen the inside of one? No, but I read on an anonymous twitter account that Covid becomes extremely potent after one sup. What percentage of case nationally are attributed to pubs? 0.28%. Terrifying stuff, if it reaches 0.5% then we're at a tipping point for humanity. Cannibalism will be next. Thankfully the much higher figures in factories, schools, hospitals and nursing homes are completely irrelevant. At least that's what we spoon-feed the government and our friends in the media. Zara King and George Lee have stuck to their scripts, the plebs down the country will continue to lap it up."

dalyboy

facehugger99 wrote: »

Most of the infections are coming from hospitals and nursing homes but NPHET have successfully changed the narrative to have people fretting about pubs and house parties.

Ye're being played folks.

It’s amazing how NPHET never produced any infection incidence numbers associated with pubs or restaurants yet at the same time decided based on “science” that it’s in our best interest and safety to shut them down for months at a time.

myfreespirit

average_runner wrote: »

I wasn't banging the drum about it, i was stating there be no atmosphere in the pub because of social distancing.


I didn't push an agenda in any of those posts

Oh to add a bit of science to the above:

COVID-19 spreads primarily through respiratory droplets or contact with contaminated surfaces.
Droplets very rarely go further than 2 meters unless you are singing, spitting or shouting alot!!!!

Medical science would say that the vectors of transmission are threefold:
1. Fomites - i.e. touching infected surfaces and then touching your face.
2. Respiratory droplets expelled by infectious people coughing/sneezing. As you correctly point out, these droplets normally fall to the ground within 2 metres, hence the physical distancing guidelines.
3. Aerosols- droplets exhaled by infectious people during normal speaking. Aerosols do NOT fall to the ground as they are not heavy enough.; they remain suspended in the air.

It is estimated that as few as 20% of infections are caused by fomite transmission.

brisan

FrStone wrote: »

You've been around long enough to know that many of us who want restrictions reduced want them to be reduced as we believe the current restrictions are not proportionate to the risk.

The widespread lack of adherence to the current restrictions shows that a large amount of the population now believe the same.

The Tony can bring in as much restrictions as he wants at this stage - compliance will be low.

I can see quite a few Tony references in next years pantos
And not in a good way

JRant

dalyboy wrote: »

It’s amazing how NPHET never produced any infection incidence numbers associated with pubs or restaurants yet at the same time decided based on “science” that it’s in our best interest and safety to shut them down for months at a time.

They said that would be an academic analysis which they haven't bothered their holes doing. But, they'll use "International" experience to say pubs are basically slaughter houses, while at the same time ignoring international and European advice on using rapid antigen tests. It's almost like they have an agenda or something.

fin12

average_runner wrote: »

Having pubs opening would not stop the house parties. There would be social distancing in the pubs so you wouldn't have the same atmosphere as last xmas.


Go ahead with the house parties, we be in another lockdown for probably 2 months straight after it

That’s not true, I know plenty who haven’t gone to any house parties, myself included even though I have had invitations. . We are all just waiting for the pubs to open so we can socialise instead of meeting for walks: coffees / drinks. Well if they don’t open the pubs , plenty street drinking continue and banning takeaway drinks will have no affect as it’s actually cheaper and handier to bring ur own drink for shops.

fin12

I really can’t understand how the publicans are not out on the streets at this stage, they are the only ones who have some hope of fighting this but they are sitting back and doing nothing. Like I think the public would get behind them and go out aswell but they have to make the first move.

facehugger99

fin12 wrote: »

I really can’t understand how the publicans are not out on the streets at this stage, they are the only ones who have some hope of fighting this but they are sitting back and doing nothing. Like I think the public would get behind them and go out aswell but they have to make the first move.

Worried about being labeled granny killers probably.

Prioritising their profits above people's health.

The kind of emotive bullsh;t that's being peddled instead of facts.

average_runner

dalyboy wrote: »

Having socially distant & regulated pubs open would reduce the number of and need to have “house parties” . That is a logical fact.

Tell me this though. What infection number do you imagine NPHET desire that will deter them from reinstalling a lockdown in January/ February?
Is it 100+ per day , is it 400+ per day , is it 5-10 per day ?
The real answer is no number will stop them and their agenda fuelled lockdown carnage.

In fairness after xmas I expect the numbers to be over 600 a day. This will happen but people got to enjoy their xmas also.


Xmas is a time people meet friends they haven't seen for a year sometimes.

average_runner

fin12 wrote: »

That’s not true, I know plenty who haven’t gone to any house parties, myself included even though I have had invitations. . We are all just waiting for the pubs to open so we can socialise instead of meeting for walks: coffees / drinks. Well if they don’t open the pubs , plenty street drinking continue and banning takeaway drinks will have no affect as it’s actually cheaper and handier to bring ur own drink for shops.

Fair play to you and I am not against the pubs opening. If they allow them to open for food then alot will be open.

average_runner

facehugger99 wrote: »

Most of the infections are coming from hospitals and nursing homes but NPHET have successfully changed the narrative to have people fretting about pubs and house parties.

Ye're being played folks.

Can you prove that ?

average_runner

JRant wrote: »

They said that would be an academic analysis which they haven't bothered their holes doing. But, they'll use "International" experience to say pubs are basically slaughter houses, while at the same time ignoring international and European advice on using rapid antigen tests. It's almost like they have an agenda or something.

Rapid Antigen Tests not the proper solution either.
US went with it https://scroll.in/article/978940/covid-19-rapid-antigen-testing-is-a-mess-and-the-us-rolled-it-out-without-a-plan

average_runner

fin12 wrote: »

I really can’t understand how the publicans are not out on the streets at this stage, they are the only ones who have some hope of fighting this but they are sitting back and doing nothing. Like I think the public would get behind them and go out aswell but they have to make the first move.

Because its a possible PR nightmare for them.

Backstreet Moyes

Uncle is looking into coming home for Christmas from englans, can anyone advise if quarantine is mandatory

I believe it is in England but not sure here

Rrrrrr2

average_runner wrote: »

Can you prove that ?

Well the whole fact that pubs have been shuttered for 10 months is probably a bit of a clue?

Ginger n Lemon

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Well the whole fact that pubs have been shuttered for 10 months is probably a bit of a clue?

Brilliant

ISOP

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Well the whole fact that pubs have been shuttered for 10 months is probably a bit of a clue?

virginmediapls

Reuters - Epidemeologists of boards.ie believe that the task-force of trained specialists are incorrect in their assertion that a lockdown is needed to save lives in the Republic of Ireland. Members of boards.ie claim, with no evidence whatsoever, that opening the pubs would have no impact on Covid-19 numbers whatsoever, a statement they have released back this up, "Most of the infections are coming from hospitals and nursing homes but NPHET have successfully changed the narrative to have people fretting about pubs and house parties.". Although the posters on the website are now completely qualified to speak out about the disease, having read an article in the Daily Mail four weeks ago, they have received limited support - despite posting in an echo chamber of people with vested interest in ending the lockdown.

More to follow as this trainwreck news story continues to slowly spew out of someones nether regions.

VonLuck

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Well the whole fact that pubs have been shuttered for 10 months is probably a bit of a clue?

Well you can't exactly close hospitals and nursing homes now can you?

never_mind

virginmediapls wrote: »

Reuters - Epidemeologists of boards.ie believe that the task-force of trained specialists are incorrect in their assertion that a lockdown is needed to save lives in the Republic of Ireland. Members of boards.ie claim, with no evidence whatsoever, that opening the pubs would have no impact on Covid-19 numbers whatsoever, a statement they have released back this up, "Most of the infections are coming from hospitals and nursing homes but NPHET have successfully changed the narrative to have people fretting about pubs and house parties.". Although the posters on the website are now completely qualified to speak out about the disease, having read an article in the Daily Mail four weeks ago, they have received limited support - despite posting in an echo chamber of people with vested interest in ending the lockdown.

More to follow as this trainwreck news story continues to slowly spew out of someones nether regions.

Wow.

_Kaiser_

Examiner reporting we move to Level 3 from December 1st

F*cking pointless for the most part given the restrictions still therein - particularly the inter-county travel restrictions. Plus, the reality is who is going to pay to sit in a pub/restaurant with limited numbers, time limits, social distancing etc - they'll just have a meetup at home.

I've really had enough of this nonsense now. Those who are ACTUALLY at risk need to take the appropriate precautions for their situations. Those NOT at any real risk (ie: most of the population) should just live their lives again

hots

dalyboy wrote: »

agenda fuelled lockdown carnage.

I wonder do people talk like this in real life too?

JRant

virginmediapls wrote: »

Reuters - Epidemeologists of boards.ie believe that the task-force of trained specialists are incorrect in their assertion that a lockdown is needed to save lives in the Republic of Ireland. Members of boards.ie claim, with no evidence whatsoever, that opening the pubs would have no impact on Covid-19 numbers whatsoever, a statement they have released back this up, "Most of the infections are coming from hospitals and nursing homes but NPHET have successfully changed the narrative to have people fretting about pubs and house parties.". Although the posters on the website are now completely qualified to speak out about the disease, having read an article in the Daily Mail four weeks ago, they have received limited support - despite posting in an echo chamber of people with vested interest in ending the lockdown.

More to follow as this trainwreck news story continues to slowly spew out of someones nether regions.

There's probably more epidemiologists on boards.ie than NPHET so you may be on to something here.