Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

bb1234567

rusty cole wrote: »

sky news the other day ran the following.

Total dead thus far in the UK from Covid-19 is "58,245".

below in small print it read, figures based on
"Deaths for ANY reason within 28 days of a positive Covid test"

So you're a health worker who tests positive for Covid 19 on Nov-1st but you're asymptomatic and are sent home for 2 weeks. Having returned to work on say Nov 15th, you're back in the habit. Later that week whilst on your way home from work, you're mowed down in an apparent ISIS attack on western democracy, values and morals related to same..

You're death is registered as having died of a covid related illness. you're death is added to the nightly figure which is now increased by ONE and used to sell an idea and god knows what else!! surprise, this in not unique..This is what happens here too 100%, it's how our stats work also.

Died from H-Pylori would be just as relevant on this basis!

Yes it is a ridiculous method of classifying deaths imo. However, some bits aren't lining up quite correctly. If any deaths which were positive are counted then the UK COVID deaths shouldn't be so skewed towards the very elderly. 15-20% of people who die every day are under 65, and as we know COVID infection is generally more skewed towards the younger age groups, and despite this far far less than 15% of COVID deaths are under 65 in the UK.
To me, it doesn't make any sense.

PTH2009

When this ****e is all over (hopefully sooner rather than later) what will still stay in society ?

I think social distancing might stay in an extent but tbh it always existed pre covid. Mask wearing might also still be around

FintanMcluskey

rusty cole wrote: »

sky news the other day ran the following.

Total dead thus far in the UK from Covid-19 is "58,245".

below in small print it read, figures based on
"Deaths for ANY reason within 28 days of a positive Covid test"

So you're a health worker who tests positive for Covid 19 on Nov-1st but you're asymptomatic and are sent home for 2 weeks. Having returned to work on say Nov 15th, you're back in the habit. Later that week whilst on your way home from work, you're mowed down in an apparent ISIS attack on western democracy, values and morals related to same..

You're death is registered as having died of a covid related illness. you're death is added to the nightly figure which is now increased by ONE and used to sell an idea and god knows what else!! surprise, this in not unique..This is what happens here too 100%, it's how our stats work also.

Died from H-Pylori would be just as relevant on this basis!

About 1700 people die in the UK every day.

A significant amount of those are in nursing home and hospital settings.

Knowing how prevalent covid is in those settings, and knowing that over 28 days about 50,000 ish would be expected to die normally, a figure of 58,000 (Covid related) over 10 months when about 500,000 have died in the Uk is not surprising.

58,000 out of about 500,000 deaths occurred within 28 days of a positive test

FintanMcluskey

PTH2009 wrote: »

When this ****e is all over (hopefully sooner rather than later) what will still stay in society ?

I think social distancing might stay in an extent but tbh it always existed pre covid. Mask wearing might also still be around

Is 2022 realistic for a return to sports stadiums, concerts, nightclubs etc at full capacity or is that many years away?

klose

PTH2009 wrote: »

When this ****e is all over (hopefully sooner rather than later) what will still stay in society ?

I think social distancing might stay in an extent but tbh it always existed pre covid. Mask wearing might also still be around

I don't see any harm in hand sanitiser being everywhere you go when all this wraps up, optional of course for whoever wants to use it. I wouldnt be surprised to see people in at risk health groups keep going with face masks or even during flu season to see plenty of people keep them going.

ceadaoin.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is 2022 realistic for a return to sports stadiums, concerts, nightclubs etc at full capacity or is that many years away?

I think all that will be back next year tbh. Maybe I'm too optimistic

AUDI20

Paddygreen wrote: »

I fear the reaper has only been warming up so far guys. Swinging the scythe slowly. Terrifying to think that the third wave might cause mass carnage, open pits and bags of lime, body bags, brain eating zombies, the works, The dark Harvest is upon us my friends.. I think it’s time now that the government set up an “ark” so we can ‘save’ the cream of the crop...Ryan Tubridy, Uncle Joe, Twink, Dermot Bannon, Jedward , the Leprechaun in the Phoenix Park, Marty Morrissy etc. We could anchor it somewhere of the coast of Donegal, a couple of hundred miles or so. Hard decisions have to be made if civilization is to survive guys.

Ah Paddy see your are still into writing your science fiction book:D

RonaVirus

This whole two meters apart thing is really starting to get to me. I can't wait until I can go back to staying twenty meters away from everyone.

bb1234567

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

About 1700 people die in the UK every day.

A significant amount of those are in nursing home and hospital settings.

Knowing how prevalent covid is in those settings, and knowing that over 28 days about 50,000 ish would be expected to die normally, a figure of 58,000 (Covid related) over 10 months when about 500,000 have died in the Uk is not surprising.

58,000 out of about 500,000 deaths occurred within 28 days of a positive test

That does not explain why the deaths are in excess though. I'm sure it's part of the reason, but if most COVID deaths were because of this reason, then the deaths wouldn't be so much above average in the UK

dalyboy

klose wrote: »

I don't see any harm in hand sanitiser being everywhere you go when all this wraps up, optional of course for whoever wants to use it. I wouldnt be surprised to see people in at risk health groups keep going with face masks or even during flu season to see plenty of people keep them going.

Is there a reason why “people at risk” would think they are specially infected with covid and would be spreading it to non-risk or otherwise individuals?

There will have to be a mind shift regarding this absurd myth that masks somehow PROTECT the user of contracting this or other viruses. Even states clearly on the PPE packaging that masks offer zero protection against covid contraction.
How has this cognitive disassociation with reality not been corrected by media and doctors I’ll never understand.

Masks are part and parcel of constant visual misery to the restrictions these days and should be sent back to the hell they belong as quick as we possibly can.

froog

normanoffside wrote: »

Have a look at the fella in the last few seconds of this video :pac:

https://twitter.com/MARCOFREE2020/status/1329548270599860226

He's a patient.

Boggles

patnor1011 wrote: »

Estimated.

Not much so according to Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Thanks to the Wayback Machine, we were able to pull up the now-deleted original paper, which delineates that so-called “infection” with COVID-19 is really no big deal.

No lad that is just nonsense pulled off facebook.

the study the claim refers to was not a scientific study, but instead an article published in a student newsletter at Johns Hopkins University. Secondly, the claim that no excess deaths have occurred in 2020 is false. Data from the U.S. CDC clearly shows that the number of deaths in 2020 is higher than that of previous years

Briand’s analysis showed no increase in deaths compared to previous years, based on data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is inaccurate. Briand had attempted to examine whether the pandemic had led to an increased amount of deaths by comparing changes in the proportion of deaths among different age groups from early February to early September 2020. However, this method obscured the increases in the raw number of deaths, because more deaths can occur without any marked changes in the proportion of deaths among different age groups.

After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF

Took me a minute fact check your nonsense claim.

Why people persist on spreading false information about the pandemic is a mystery.

Silly really.

Gael23

I’m not sure we will ever see things like full stadiums, concerts or unrestricted weddings for as long as Holohan has a say. If the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus he will argue for continued restrictions

drunkmonkey

More scientists calling out the scamdemic...

A global team of experts has found 10 FATAL FLAWS in the main test for Covid and is demanding it’s urgently axed.


"All those who are so-called current ‘Covid cases’, diagnosed based on that protocol, should be told they no longer have to isolate. All present and previous Covid deaths, cases, and ‘infection rates’ should be subject to a massive retroactive inquiry. And lockdowns, shutdowns, and other restrictions should be urgently reviewed and relaxed."
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/508383-fatal-flaws-covid-test/

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

More scientists calling out the scamdemic...

A global team of experts has found 10 FATAL FLAWS in the main test for Covid and is demanding it’s urgently axed.


"All those who are so-called current ‘Covid cases’, diagnosed based on that protocol, should be told they no longer have to isolate. All present and previous Covid deaths, cases, and ‘infection rates’ should be subject to a massive retroactive inquiry. And lockdowns, shutdowns, and other restrictions should be urgently reviewed and relaxed."
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/508383-fatal-flaws-covid-test/

The paper has been discussed previously on the thread and is nonsense.

RT, really?

Captain_Crash

drunkmonkey wrote: »

More scientists calling out the scamdemic...

A global team of experts has found 10 FATAL FLAWS in the main test for Covid and is demanding it’s urgently axed.


"All those who are so-called current ‘Covid cases’, diagnosed based on that protocol, should be told they no longer have to isolate. All present and previous Covid deaths, cases, and ‘infection rates’ should be subject to a massive retroactive inquiry. And lockdowns, shutdowns, and other restrictions should be urgently reviewed and relaxed."
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/508383-fatal-flaws-covid-test/

This is nothing new, even the crowd who developed the test have said as much, and urged for it NOT to be used for diagnosis. The same type of testing caused a "false pandemic" a few years back in Boston for a different respiratory illness which resulted in law suits.

Captain_Crash

Captain_Crash wrote: »

This is nothing new, even the crowd who developed the test have said as much, and urged for it NOT to be used for diagnosis. The same type of testing caused a "false pandemic" a few years back in Boston for a different respiratory illness which resulted in law suits.

Not true

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

The paper has been discussed previously on the thread and is nonsense.

Would it be more accurate to say you personally decided a peer review paper is nonsense and all these people are fraudsters hell bent on killing Granny.

Dr. Pieter Borger
(MSc, PhD), Molecular Genetics, W+W Research Associate, Lörrach, Germany

Prof. Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer,
specialist in Virology / Immunology / Human Biology / Cell Biology, University Hospital Würzburg, Germany

Prof. Dr. Klaus Steger,
Department of Urology, Pediatric Urology and Andrology, Molecular Andrology, Biomedical Research Center of the Justus Liebig University, Giessen, Germany

Prof. Dr. Makoto Ohashi,
Professor emeritus, PhD in Microbiology and Immunology, Tokushima University, Japan

Prof. Dr. med. Henrik Ullrich,
specialist Diagnostic Radiology, Chief Medical Doctor at the Center for Radiology of Collm Oschatz-Hospital, Germany
Rajesh K. Malhotra (Artist Alias: Bobby Rajesh Malhotra),
Former 3D Artist / Scientific Visualizations at CeMM – Center for Molecular Medicine of the Austrian Academy of Sciences (2019-2020), University for Applied Arts – Department for Digital Arts Vienna, Austria

Dr. Michael Yeadon,
BSs(Hons) Biochem Tox U Surrey, PhD Pharmacology U Surrey. Managing Director, Yeadon Consulting Ltd, former Pfizer Chief Scientist, United Kingdom

Dr. Kevin P. Corbett,
MSc Nursing (Kings College London) PhD (London South Bank) Social Sciences (Science & Technology Studies) London, England, United Kingdom

Dr. Clare Craig MA,
(Cantab) BM, BCh (Oxon), FRCPath, United Kingdom
Kevin McKernan,
BS Emory University, Chief Scientific Officer, founder Medical Genomics, engineered the sequencing pipeline at WIBR/MIT for the Human Genome Project, Invented and developed the SOLiD sequencer, awarded patents related to PCR, DNA Isolation and Sequencing, USA

Dr. Lidiya Angelova,
MSc in Biology, PhD in Microbiology, Former researcher at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Maryland, USA

Dr. Fabio Franchi,
Former Dirigente Medico (M.D) in an Infectious Disease Ward, specialized in “Infectious Diseases” and “Hygiene and Preventive Medicine”, Società Scientifica per il Principio di Precauzione (SSPP), Italy

Dr. med. Thomas Binder,
Internist and Cardiologist (FMH), Switzerland

Dr. Stefano Scoglio,
B.Sc. Ph.D., Microbiologist, Nutritionist, Italy

Dr. Paul McSheehy (BSc, PhD),
Biochemist & Industry Pharmacologist, Loerrach, Germany
Dr. Marjolein Doesburg-van Kleffens,
(MSc, PhD), specialist in Laboratory Medicine (clinical chemistry), Maasziekenhuis Pantein, Beugen, The Netherlands

Dr. Dorothea Gilbert
(MSc, PhD), PhD Environmental Chemistry and Toxicology. DGI Consulting Services, Oslo, Norway

Dr. Rainer Klement,
PhD, Department of Radiation Oncology, Leopoldina Hospital Schweinfurt, Germany

Dr. Ruth Schrüfer,
PhD, human genetics/ immunology, Munich, Germany,

Dr. Berber W. Pieksma,
General Practitioner, The Netherlands

Dr. med. Jan Bonte
Consultant Neurologist, The Netherlands

Dr. Bruno H. Dalle Carbonare
Molecular biologist, IP specialist, BDC Basel, Switzerland

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Would it be more accurate to say you personally decided a peer review paper is nonsense and all these people are fraudsters hell bent on killing Granny.

Dr. Pieter Borger
(MSc, PhD), Molecular Genetics, W+W Research Associate, Lörrach, Germany

Prof. Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer,
specialist in Virology / Immunology / Human Biology / Cell Biology, University Hospital Würzburg, Germany

Prof. Dr. Klaus Steger,
Department of Urology, Pediatric Urology and Andrology, Molecular Andrology, Biomedical Research Center of the Justus Liebig University, Giessen, Germany

Prof. Dr. Makoto Ohashi,
Professor emeritus, PhD in Microbiology and Immunology, Tokushima University, Japan

Prof. Dr. med. Henrik Ullrich,
specialist Diagnostic Radiology, Chief Medical Doctor at the Center for Radiology of Collm Oschatz-Hospital, Germany
Rajesh K. Malhotra (Artist Alias: Bobby Rajesh Malhotra),
Former 3D Artist / Scientific Visualizations at CeMM – Center for Molecular Medicine of the Austrian Academy of Sciences (2019-2020), University for Applied Arts – Department for Digital Arts Vienna, Austria

Dr. Michael Yeadon,
BSs(Hons) Biochem Tox U Surrey, PhD Pharmacology U Surrey. Managing Director, Yeadon Consulting Ltd, former Pfizer Chief Scientist, United Kingdom

Dr. Kevin P. Corbett,
MSc Nursing (Kings College London) PhD (London South Bank) Social Sciences (Science & Technology Studies) London, England, United Kingdom

Dr. Clare Craig MA,
(Cantab) BM, BCh (Oxon), FRCPath, United Kingdom
Kevin McKernan,
BS Emory University, Chief Scientific Officer, founder Medical Genomics, engineered the sequencing pipeline at WIBR/MIT for the Human Genome Project, Invented and developed the SOLiD sequencer, awarded patents related to PCR, DNA Isolation and Sequencing, USA

Dr. Lidiya Angelova,
MSc in Biology, PhD in Microbiology, Former researcher at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Maryland, USA

Dr. Fabio Franchi,
Former Dirigente Medico (M.D) in an Infectious Disease Ward, specialized in “Infectious Diseases” and “Hygiene and Preventive Medicine”, Società Scientifica per il Principio di Precauzione (SSPP), Italy

Dr. med. Thomas Binder,
Internist and Cardiologist (FMH), Switzerland

Dr. Stefano Scoglio,
B.Sc. Ph.D., Microbiologist, Nutritionist, Italy

Dr. Paul McSheehy (BSc, PhD),
Biochemist & Industry Pharmacologist, Loerrach, Germany
Dr. Marjolein Doesburg-van Kleffens,
(MSc, PhD), specialist in Laboratory Medicine (clinical chemistry), Maasziekenhuis Pantein, Beugen, The Netherlands

Dr. Dorothea Gilbert
(MSc, PhD), PhD Environmental Chemistry and Toxicology. DGI Consulting Services, Oslo, Norway

Dr. Rainer Klement,
PhD, Department of Radiation Oncology, Leopoldina Hospital Schweinfurt, Germany

Dr. Ruth Schrüfer,
PhD, human genetics/ immunology, Munich, Germany,

Dr. Berber W. Pieksma,
General Practitioner, The Netherlands

Dr. med. Jan Bonte
Consultant Neurologist, The Netherlands

Dr. Bruno H. Dalle Carbonare
Molecular biologist, IP specialist, BDC Basel, Switzerland

That a website was created to publish this review rather than being submitted for publication in a reputable journal tells you all you need to know about this report

Boggles

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Would it be more accurate to say you personally decided a peer review paper is nonsense and all these people are fraudsters hell bent on killing Granny.

For instance, one of the authors of the review is Dr Mike Yeadon, who asserts that, in the UK, there is no ‘second wave’ and that the pandemic has been over since June

Dr Mike one of the authors has declared the global pandemic ended in June, so he acknowledges there was a pandemic but for some reason it all mysteriously ended in June, obviously something would have to intervened to stop a pathogen the vast majority of the planet have no immunity to.

So simply question, what?

Also the 1200+ people who died in the UK in the past 2 days, who are they?

Nurses killed by Jihad's or pretty determined method crisis actors?

And while you are at it, if it is just one big scam as you claim, why? Why would Western Capitalism, particularly a Tory lead UK government intentionally crash itself?

In your own good time.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Dr Mike one of the authors has declared the global pandemic ended in June, so he acknowledges there was a pandemic but for some reason it all mysteriously ended in June, obviously something would have to intervened to stop a pathogen the vast majority of the planet have no immunity to.

So simply question, what?

Also the 1200+ people who died in the UK in the past 2 days, who are they?

Nurses killed by Jihad's or pretty determined method crisis actors?

And while you are at it, if it is just one big scam as you claim, why? Why would Western Capitalism, particularly a Tory lead UK government intentionally crash itself?

In your own good time.

I think its all down to Jihadi nurses myself

Caraibh

Boggles wrote: »

Dr Mike one of the authors has declared the global pandemic ended in June, so he acknowledges there was a pandemic but for some reason it all mysteriously ended in June, obviously something would have to intervened to stop a pathogen the vast majority of the planet have no immunity to.

So simply question, what?

Also the 1200+ people who died in the UK in the past 2 days, who are they?

Nurses killed by Jihad's or pretty determined method crisis actors?

And while you are at it, if it is just one big scam as you claim, why? Why would Western Capitalism, particularly a Tory lead UK government intentionally crash itself?

In your own good time.

Around 1400-1500 people die every day in the UK.

Boggles

Caraibh wrote: »

Around 1400-1500 people die every day in the UK.

Thanks for signing up just to post that.

Not relevant, but very informative thank you.

speckle

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yes it is a ridiculous method of classifying deaths imo. However, some bits aren't lining up quite correctly. If any deaths which were positive are counted then the UK COVID deaths shouldn't be so skewed towards the very elderly. 15-20% of people who die every day are under 65, and as we know COVID infection is generally more skewed towards the younger age groups, and despite this far far less than 15% of COVID deaths are under 65 in the UK.
To me, it doesn't make any sense.

Possibly if you are younger.. the person or family or hospital will ask for the coronor to look into it if you die within 28 days or it maybe obvious that the cause of death is from something else eg accident related or terminal cancer where as if you are over 80with comorbidties unless it is a neglience claim you or less likely to be autopsied... happened pre covid aswell.

drunkmonkey

Boggles wrote: »

Dr Mike one of the authors has declared the global pandemic ended in June, so he acknowledges there was a pandemic but for some reason it all mysteriously ended in June, obviously something would have to intervened to stop a pathogen the vast majority of the planet have no immunity to.

Why wouldn't it have, it's been shown to be seasonal just like the pandemic it replaced.

Caraibh

Boggles wrote: »

Thanks for signing up just to post that.

Not relevant, but very informative thank you.

I think it is relevant considering you're talking about 1200+ deaths. 1200+ people die every day in the UK. Pre-Covid as well.

Tork

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m not sure we will ever see things like full stadiums, concerts or unrestricted weddings for as long as Holohan has a say. If the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus he will argue for continued restrictions

The demonisation of Tony Holohan is laughable. I don't agree with everything NPHET suggests but the notion that he alone is setting out to spoil everyone's fun and is some sort of Rasputin figure is overestimating his importance.

speckle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That a website was created to publish this review rather than being submitted for publication in a reputable journal tells you all you need to know about this report

I normally agree with alot of your posts and look forward to your charts but on this will have to disagree... the scientists listed are eminant experts and the data shows that there are problems associated with the pcr test wwhen using it as a public health screening tool as to its original purpose as a in hospital clinical diagnosing tool. It was even discussed with the HSe proposal released on Oct 8 and that is why we are seeing more quality rapid antigen tests etc being rolled out to check if you are actually infectious at the time.

Edit..science evolves and the pcr was the only tool earlier along with clinical diagnosis.

Caraibh

Tork wrote: »

The demonisation of Tony Holohan is laughable. I don't agree with everything NPHET suggests but the notion that he alone is setting out to spoil everyone's fun and is some sort of Rasputin figure is overestimating his importance.

The evidence suggests otherwise. He's even worse than Anthony Fauci in terms of doom and gloom.

Boggles

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why wouldn't it have, it's been shown to be seasonal just like the pandemic it replaced.

Seasonal as in every season.

But we will come back to that, You declared it a scam.

I think it's only fair you answer the below questions.

Boggles wrote: »

Dr Mike one of the authors has declared the global pandemic ended in June, so he acknowledges there was a pandemic but for some reason it all mysteriously ended in June, obviously something would have to intervened to stop a pathogen the vast majority of the planet have no immunity to.

So simply question, what?

Also the 1200+ people who died in the UK in the past 2 days, who are they?

Nurses killed by Jihad's or pretty determined method crisis actors?

And while you are at it, if it is just one big scam as you claim, why? Why would Western Capitalism, particularly a Tory lead UK government intentionally crash itself?

In your own good time.

Even the one in Bold will do.

In your own good time.