Rathgar council tenants in luxury apartments claim discrimination over facilities

An Claidheamh

yosser hughes wrote: »

Labour don't want a referendum and will usher this new birthright in, without opposition through legislation. They know if it were to go to a referendum it would be soundly rejected, again, by the electorate. They are pretending the public largely support this.
They have cross party support and a compliant supportive media class.
A two fingers to democracy.



https://www.thejournal.ie/the-explainer-podcast-17th-amendment-5279567-Nov2020/

Don’t think it’s possible through legislation, unless like everything in Ireland - lack of enforcement of the law

Media probably will, but doubt it will get off the ground, Labour are on 3%

Btw, Regina Doherty, the FG woman who doesn’t like paying her debts, is supporting this

https://mobile.twitter.com/hoeyannie/status/1331202577040609280

doublejobbing 2

malinheader wrote: »

Dangerous surely. The thing that annoys me is that I was always brought up to use my vote as generations before us gave alot to make sure we have a vote and unlike some countries we still have a right to a vote.
But as a worker in this country it is impossible to find someone who I can really believe has an interest in making it a level plain field for someone who works and someone who has no intention of ever working.

This. I'll be spoiling my vote next time. There isn't even a "lesser of evils" reason to vote for a party any more (I voted FF last time on the rationale that they surely couldn't do worse than FG had).

Ireland doesn't have a single prominent party standing up for working class people. SF voters are on acid if they think SF fits the above description.

jrosen

What is the working class though? Is it everyone who works and contributes because I certainly dont feel like thats being portrayed.
The governments have played a blinder at turning people against each other.

doublejobbing 2

jrosen wrote: »

What is the working class though? Is it everyone who works and contributes because I certainly dont feel like thats being portrayed.
The governments have played a blinder at turning people against each other.

Working class people. People who work hard, don't do political correctness, dont hang out on Twitter all day sharing woke bull**** and including their gender pronouns in their bio.

SF dont represent these people. Nobody does.

An Claidheamh

jrosen wrote: »

What is the working class though? Is it everyone who works and contributes because I certainly dont feel like thats being portrayed.
The governments have played a blinder at turning people against each other.

What are still referred to by some in ivory towers and student politics as 'working class', are in fact welfare class.

Increasingly now, like their parents were.



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DNXZ52-XgUjA&ved=2ahUKEwj8gLbamajtAhVrSxUIHZz6AlgQo7QBMAB6BAgDEAE&usg=AOvVaw3YuFD5NZtQxHRHSJ8XnboE

The bit at the end of that video

AlekSmart

An Claidheamh wrote: »

My theory on that is that the ivory tower dwellers in Labour saw the scenes at recent referenda at Dublin castle and all the bandwagoners, and decided what would make Labour popular by association? Rather than actually make Ireland a better place to live in?

An unpopular referendum to be the only country in the EU, possibly the world, to allow this AND to have it led by Ivan Bacik - a several times filthy rich unelected elitist, as anti-socialist as you can get, in the most corrupt, immoral and greedy industry, that of the legal industry -

Bacik, who actually cost the taxpayer millions supporting a scam artist (while real asylum seekers suffered) :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/1m-legal-bill-after-pamela-and-girls-finally-deported-26753400.html

Great idea Labour!

Shows they really know what the ordinary Joe Soap wants

Quite an interesting,and apposite reminder there....I wonder where Ms Izvebekhai is currently residing ?

The Irish Media,and Lecturers in Journalism related courses,should really be using the Izvebakhai case as a classic example of how compliant,narrow-minded and,in my opinion effectively racist, Journalists can be wrong-footed from the very outset,but when confronted with increasing evidence of their chosen ones true intent,they simply blank it and continue as if the "Plain People" were the guilty,evil minded racists etc etc.

To my knowledge,not a single one of the many and varied household names of Irelands Print and Broadcast media bothered to even acknowledge their role in the well planned and executed Izvebekhai plan.

10 years later,I will be rendered speechless if any of the current cast of Media Ireland will even contemplate a mea culpa on Marianella 2020

jimmycrackcorm

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Actually SF attracted the most right wing voters. People who would refuse to vote for FF FG because "they hand out houses first to foreigners for nothing" completely unaware that compared to SF intentions FF FG are comparatively Trump like.

Low information voters they are called in the US.

I don't think this is true for a second. People especially the younger voters are turning to SF for similar reasons that Trump voters voted en masse in 2016.

Make Ireland great again, bring jobs back = build houses here. SF can't fix that! They can't magic builders out of thin air and they've been at the forefront of nimby objections.

Anyway, their sole focus is a United Ireland, and they'll promise anything to achieve that no matter what the cost or how unachievable it is.

During the financial crisis they wanted us to follow the Greeks repudiation of the EU policies. Didn't work out well for the Greeks. It's the economic bomb version of ringing the ECB with a warning that you've 5 minutes to get out.

A lot of SF voters are going to be deeply disappointed when they eventually get into power.

But at least they'll end FF, so that's a win.

enricoh

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Don’t think it’s possible through legislation, unless like everything in Ireland - lack of enforcement of the law

Media probably will, but doubt it will get off the ground, Labour are on 3%

Btw, Regina Doherty, the FG woman who doesn’t like paying her debts, is supporting this

https://mobile.twitter.com/hoeyannie/status/1331202577040609280

There's no hope for this place, every politician trying to out woke each other!
We can Skype and zoom our kids in canada n oz while these clowns put a flashing beacon on Ireland for every third world welfare tourist to flock to.

Meeoow

I wonder whether Tenia is working out at the gym yet, or relaxing on the roof terrace, or maybe availing of one of the meeting rooms.

punisher5112

Anyone hear back from the TD or anyone they contacted over this farse.....

Wibbs

I strongly suspect as I have from early on that this whole thing will go silent now. A brief peek behind a soon to be closed curtain on the ridiculousness of our social welfare and migrant policy lorded over by pencil pushers and the NGO's that influence them.

yosser hughes

Wibbs wrote: »

I strongly suspect as I have from early on that this whole thing will go silent now. A brief peek behind a soon to be closed curtain on the ridiculousness of our social welfare and migrant policy lorded over by pencil pushers and the NGO's that influence them.

Yes, that's exactly what happens with stories such as this. You can forget about the media following it up and enquiring how someone like Tenia Karim got awarded this home. If I were a young hungry journalist, surely it's a story worth pursuing? The thing is his of her editor won't go with that angle in the unlikely event a journalism graduate today would even see that angle.
ALL of the media and elected representatives in the Daíl are ignoring this story and others like it and will continue to do so.
The only thing you can do really, is express your feelings whenever they come looking for your vote.
If I had the means I would seek a judicial review of the housing allocation and decision making process. It should be transparent and open to scrutiny.

Amazingfun

A lot of time has passed and still absolute silence on this. Breathtaking, really.

GreeBo

Amazingfun wrote: »

A lot of time has passed and still absolute silence on this. Breathtaking, really.

I think its incredibly unfair that they started a global pandemic just to distract from this important topic.

An Claidheamh

yosser hughes wrote: »

Yes, that's exactly what happens with stories such as this. You can forget about the media following it up and enquiring how someone like Tenia Karim got awarded this home. If I were a young hungry journalist, surely it's a story worth pursuing? The thing is his of her editor won't go with that angle in the unlikely event a journalism graduate today would even see that angle.
ALL of the media and elected representatives in the Daíl are ignoring this story and others like it and will continue to do so.
The only thing you can do really, is express your feelings whenever they come looking for your vote.
If I had the means I would seek a judicial review of the housing allocation and decision making process. It should be transparent and open to scrutiny.

Thing is there are no proper investigative journalists in Irish media ( except for gangland tabloid celebrities)

Irish Times and Indo are losing circulation - soon to be bailed out by the government, and promote the government line

The journal are arguably the most hypocritical, posing as hip and liberal but very pro censorship

The future are things like Dublin Live, it is crude but appears accurate

Eric Cartman

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Thing is there are no proper investigative journalists in Irish media ( except for gangland tabloid celebrities)

Irish Times and Indo are losing circulation - soon to be bailed out by the government, and promote the government line

The journal are arguably the most hypocritical, posing as hip and liberal but very pro censorship

The future are things like Dublin Live, it is crude but appears accurate

Reach group who now own the star, the mirror, dublin live and a few others seem to be the only ones putting money in to investigative journalism.

The likes of the times are more interested in wrapping a warm blanket around middle class academics and peddling narratives that white straight men are to blame for all the ills of the world

punisher5112

I still can't understand how someone that was working, working in another country, arrives here and is housed at the cost of us fools that have lived, worked most of our lives, paying tax, it's pure nuts.

hamburgham

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Reach group who now own the star, the mirror, dublin live and a few others seem to be the only ones putting money in to investigative journalism.

The likes of the times are more interested in wrapping a warm blanket around middle class academics and peddling narratives that white straight men are to blame for all the ills of the world

I know everyone takes a swipe at it but the Daily Mail often publicises these type of stories., treads where no Irish paper would dare to.

Amazingfun

GreeBo wrote: »

I think its incredibly unfair that they started a global pandemic just to distract from this important topic.

Yeah, because multitasking is beyond the reach of such talented specimens I suppose.

Good thing they are giving themselves a raise during said pandemic though!

https://gript.ie/good-news-hard-working-tds-set-for-pay-rise-to-e100k/

Kivaro

One of the stories that really stood out in this sad saga was the Turkish Kurd who claimed asylum in Ireland after leaving the obvious despotic hellhole of Canada (why else would he leave there?) where he worked in an airport, and within a reasonably short time receive a luxury apartment in Dublin valued in the high six figures. In the meantime, over 9,000 people who were on the Dublin housing list for 7 years or more, were bypassed in order to give this fine gentleman a free home.

Just goes to show that word on the gullibility of the Irish tax payer has made its way around the world. Giving up a job in a safe first country world like Canada in order to claim asylum in Ireland where you will never have to work in your life again but still be rewarded with a luxury free apartment for life in a prized location. I am certainly not looking forward to the substantial tax hikes next year when the Covid bill demands to be paid; yet we will still be handing out free homes within 3 months to anyone who wants to come to Ireland and issue the magic word "asylum".

TomTomTim

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Thing is there are no proper investigative journalists in Irish media ( except for gangland tabloid celebrities)

Irish Times and Indo are losing circulation - soon to be bailed out by the government, and promote the government line

The journal are arguably the most hypocritical, posing as hip and liberal but very pro censorship

The future are things like Dublin Live, it is crude but appears accurate

The Journal is a funny one. For years they tried to control comments by forcing people to give phone numbers to post, then used the toxic meter to stop "toxic" posts from being posted. If you've ever used it you'll know that benign comments could get you a highly toxic rating. After all that failed, they dropped all pretenses, and started outright deleting comments that they didn't like. I remember reading a fresh comment section about American politics a few months back; when the comments were fresh they all went one way. I came back to the same comment section a few hours later, and all the previous comments were deleted, with the new comments all going the other direction.

doublejobbing 2

TomTomTim wrote: »

The Journal is a funny one. For years they tried to control comments by forcing people to give phone numbers to post, then used the toxic meter to stop "toxic" posts from being posted. If you've ever used it you'll know that benign comments could get you a highly toxic rating. After all that failed, they dropped all pretenses, and started outright deleting comments that they didn't like. I remember reading a fresh comment section about American politics a few months back; when the comments were fresh they all went one way. I came back to the same comment section a few hours later, and all the previous comments were deleted, with the new comments all going the other direction.

They also got rid of green thumb/ red thumbs because the amount of red thumbs when some waster would post about how DP residents need a free house or Ibrahim Halawa is our Mandela were becoming uncomfortable to the narrative they were trying to offer.

Amazingfun

Kivaro wrote: »

One of the stories that really stood out in this sad saga was the Turkish Kurd who claimed asylum in Ireland after leaving the obvious despotic hellhole of Canada (why else would he leave there?) where he worked in an airport, and within a reasonably short time receive a luxury apartment in Dublin valued in the high six figures. In the meantime, over 9,000 people who were on the Dublin housing list for 7 years or more, were bypassed in order to give this fine gentleman a free home.

Just goes to show that word on the gullibility of the Irish tax payer has made its way around the world. Giving up a job in a safe first country world like Canada in order to claim asylum in Ireland where you will never have to work in your life again but still be rewarded with a luxury free apartment for life in a prized location. I am certainly not looking forward to the substantial tax hikes next year when the Covid bill demands to be paid; yet we will still be handing out free homes within 3 months to anyone who wants to come to Ireland and issue the magic word "asylum".

My understanding of this story is that it is in fact much worse: he was already ON the housing list in Dublin WHEN he then decided to avail of an employment opportunity in Canada at the Calgary Airport. Whilst there he discovered that Canadians are evil racists whose only goal in life , apparently, is to cause injustice to him

When his obvious shakedown attempt there failed to produce anything near the fruits of his Irish efforts, he returned to Dublin and began calling the Irish racists to much greater applause, Kitty Holland first among them in amplifying his voice, even putting his face on the front page of the Irish times.

Despite this amazing sequence of events, not one of the players involved has been required to account for themselves, and Tenia Karim is ,afaik, still sleeping soundly in his luxury flat in Rathgar.

malinheader

Amazingfun wrote: »

My understanding of this story is that it is in fact much worse: he was already ON the housing list in Dublin WHEN he then decided to avail of an employment opportunity in Canada at the Calgary Airport. Whilst there he discovered that Canadians are evil racists whose only goal in life , apparently, is to cause injustice to him

When his obvious shakedown attempt there failed to produce anything near the fruits of his Irish efforts, he returned to Dublin and began calling the Irish racists to much greater applause, Kitty Holland first among them in amplifying his voice, even putting his face on the front page of the Irish times.

Despite this amazing sequence of events, not one of the players involved has been required to account for themselves, and Tenia Karim is ,afaik, still sleeping soundly in his luxury flat in Rathgar.

Sounds about right. Just mention the word racism in this country and you have journalists foaming at the mouth for a story and politicians scampering to get you what you want. Said it before, were seen as a soft touch of a country to most and the racism card is used all to often to get what you want.

Kermit.de.frog

Is it fair to compare social housing with neighboring countries?

Obviously both will have their better and worse estates but this tends to be the image that comes up for "social housing in UK"

UK:



Ireland:



We certainly have our kips here too but in the UK use the search term "social housing" and they seem to have a very different take on the standards they apply.

Now obviously no one wants the type of sink estates across the water or elsewhere in Europe and we should have high standards but it does raise questions as to how far we are going with accommodation.

And it raises the bigger question of fairness. Is it right that someone can sit on their hole from school and end up in places like this when so many workers will literally never be able to afford it? That's a moral hazard that's being ignored.

I'm all for everyone having dignity and a decent place to live with every chance given but we seem to be handing out "luxury" apartments at high prices and I can't understand how that is justified.

doublejobbing 2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is it fair to compare social housing with neighboring countries?



I'm all for everyone having dignity and a decent place to live with every chance given but we seem to be handing out "luxury" apartments at high prices and I can't understand how that is justified.

To be fair the UK block shown is older than ours, they do the same nonsense with new mixed tenure and part V developments that we do. I may be wrong but I think they don't build any pure social developments any more, we still do build them to an extent.

Also worth remembering that these buildings don't stay pretty forever. I used to think some of the Lithuanians etc who were coming here in 2004 and renting new build apartments in Ongar and Citywest and the like must think Ireland is like Dubai, and the insides were pretty nice and all.

You look at these blocks nearly 20 years later and they are tired looking, they have shades of that black damp on the outside walls, after 20 years as a rental flat most of them inside are probably very worn out looking by now.

Your second photo might look shiny and gleaming now but 10 years from now the elements will have it worn and it will be like any other dump with junkies milling around and travellers brawling on the green.

Sure Ballymun had underfloor heating and the first cable TV systems in Ireland.

Kermit.de.frog

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

To be fair the UK block shown is older than ours, they do the same nonsense with new mixed tenure and part V developments that we do. I may be wrong but I think they don't build any pure social developments any more, we still do build them to an extent.

I suppose the difference in the UK is they have so many of them from the 60's onward.

Don't get me wrong - they are absolute sh!tholes many of them, I wouldn't wish on anyone living there.

At the same time you could understand how it sends a message - "you don't want to end up here..." that in a way could be productive.

But here it's like an advertisement.

suicide_circus

Amazingfun wrote: »

When his obvious shakedown attempt there failed to produce anything near the fruits of his Irish efforts, he returned to Dublin and began calling the Irish racists to much greater applause, Kitty Holland first among them in amplifying his voice, even putting his face on the front page of the Irish times.

Public discourse in this country is largely set by the unholy alliance between the booming ngo industry and activist journalists. The Irish are a people easily cowed by firebrand moralising busibodies screeching "Shame!!" be they on twitter or in holy orders in bygone days.

thegetawaycar

Our councils are going around lashing money at housing for the won't works.

Just a few weeks ago a brand new development on St. James Road, Dublin 12 had all apartments rented (paying the developer) by the council. Houses in the area have been selling for 400k+ for the last few years with some brand new developments and now, apartments that would have been perfect for younger people looking to get on the ladder and right on a bus line are being handed out. Lots of people looking to rent/buy in the area squeezed out and so house prices continue to rise for those who are willing to pay their way.

Makes a joke of the mixed development narrative and our council will be paying a developer for 20 years and then he will own them at the end of it. Lining the pockets of developers while raiding the taxpayer.

Kermit.de.frog

The increasing concentration of social housing in proximity to the city center will only lead to even more social problems in the area sadly.

The Deliveroo drivers are getting attention atm but the problems are a lot more than that.

It use to be kinda harmless heroine addicts but there is teenagers and young people running amok now.

More and more it doesn't feel safe.

That's going to have knock on effects on business, tourism etc when COVID is over.

Whoever are the first tourists to arrive when things get going again are in for a shock. It's really sunk in the city center.