England v Ireland Autumn Nations Cup | 21.11.20 KO 15:00 | RTE 1 Read Post #5

Bridge93

If we had any semblance of an attacking game we could have potentially won this. Defence has been quite good one missed tackle aside

theVersatile

Lowe with the GAA skills

castletownman

castletownman wrote: »

I suppose Stockdale is back in the good books now?

Good score but the game has been long over.

Subpopulus

For all the zip and verve that JPG offers there is a definite quality of decision making that Murray brings.

degsie

Maybe next time, eh?

Clegg

gifted wrote: »

Over paid...over hyped....very average players......they could pick any 15 and they're all the same standard.......and most of them will keep their place for the next match.....

Pure sh1te of a post. Andy Farrell has given debuts to to at least 6 players during his tenure as coach and his generally kept them as his starters. There are problems in this side, but willingness to give young blood a shot isn't one of them.

Garda Kenny

Murray’s up and under box kicks are not what we need. We need dinks over the top like JGP did.

thepogues

Clegg wrote: »

I mean, Farrell was also partly responsible for May's try in that he missed a pretty standard tackle. I think there was definitely a systems problem throughout the side. Byrne was poor as an individual, but so has Farrell.

In fairness May is a bloody nightmare to tackle

Niallof9

tackle stats are just an indication Schimdttball still lives

AbusesToilets

England have done **** all in attack today. We gifted them this game.

Bridge93

Bridge93 wrote: »

If we had any semblance of an attacking game we could have potentially won this. Defence has been quite good one missed tackle aside

England were never in danger of losing this match.

UAEguy2020

Bridge93 wrote: »

If we had any semblance of an attacking game we could have potentially won this. Defence has been quite good one missed tackle aside

If we could even have an average line out we could have won this game.

budhabob

Garda Kenny wrote: »

Murray’s up and under box kicks are not what we need. We need dinks over the top like JGP did.

Not sure if you watched the first 50 minutes but JGP didn't do much for us, dinks or otherwise....in fact he made some serious brain farts.

Bridge93

glasso wrote: »

England were never in danger of losing this match.

I didn’t say they were

mfceiling

castletownman wrote: »

I suppose Stockdale is back in the good books now?

He's a quality attacker still no matter what you think. Defence is suspect but he's already one of the top try scorers for Ireland.

UAEguy2020

AbusesToilets wrote: »

England have done **** all in attack today. We gifted them this game.

Carbon copy of in Feburary.

degsie

The lineout! ffs!

lawrencesummers

AbusesToilets wrote: »

England have done **** all in attack today. We gifted them this game.

Defence wins game.

Burkie1203

England made 4 times as many tackles as us.

Lucy8080

We must be doing well on territory this half. A bit more ingenuity and we would have made a game of it.

Subpopulus

Will Stuart's mullet is revolting.

This from a man who likes a good mullet.

kmart6

Presume all those going to town on Kelleher will be doing the same for Herring too.....

Now that England have brought the 1990's back can we at least expect an Oasis reunion tour?

Clegg

glasso wrote: »

time to be ruthless and give his brother and Frawley more time at Leinster in bigger games to develop them to see what they really have.

Ross just doesn't have it at real test level.

Need to have a 10 with more than a few caps for the next world cup.

Frawley is being developed as a 12 now. Which may be important as Aki, as good as he is, is a pure bosh merchant. And in games like today he offers little when the defence he's facing is so suffocating.

We need someone who can pass and kick his way around a defence rather than running into a brick wall.

almostover

Garda Kenny wrote: »

Murray’s up and under box kicks are not what we need. We need dinks over the top like JGP did.

Dinks out over the dead ball line is it?

Five Eighth

Line-out a disaster.

Time to promote Dan Sheehan to the starting Leinster and Ireland sides.

degsie

Better team won

Kraftwerk

AbusesToilets wrote: »

England have done **** all in attack today. We gifted them this game.

Same as last time. Gift England a couple handy tries. Then struggle to make up the deficit.

Asus X540L

If it wasn't for the lineout and Gibson Park we would have won that game easily.

Happy4all

The bench was stronger than a few of those starters

Paul Weller

We were out thought...out fought and out coached today... didn't think we would win, but an English team that didn't look too great... absolutely hammered us!

UAEguy2020

And ofcourse yet another lineout is botched.

D.Q

****e. Blame lies squarely with Farrell tbh.

Doesn't have the tactical nous to try something different against the rush defence.

theVersatile

Five Eighth wrote: »

Line-out a disaster.

Time to promote Dan Sheehan to the starting Leinster and Ireland sides.

Please be satire. Sheehans throwing has been equally dodgy whenever he's come on for the Blue.

ScrubsfanChris

Typical finish
Struggling lineout and throw to the back.

Beat Geogia next week and watch the false optimism in the media return.

Niallof9

Way too easy. same old story regarding how difficult it looks for us to score. shocking stuff. honeymoon period is over. Farrell, coach in our World Cup disaster is now in a real fight. Catt, no idea what he's adding. he now needs to make real changes. people accepting this ****e yet still harping on about 2018 are an embarrassment. Ferris and Heaslip angling on England being poor, jesus just ridiculous.

Asus X540L

Asus X540L wrote: »

If it wasn't for the lineout and Gibson Park we would have won that game easily.

Easily? You think?

The Lost Sheep

Clegg wrote: »

Frawley is being developed as a 12 now. Which may be important as Aki, as good as he is, is a pure bosh merchant. And in games like today he offers little when the defence he's facing is so suffocating.

We need someone who can pass and kick his way around a defence rather than running into a brick wall.

Bundee's only a bosh merchant if you dont watch him play much. Bundee is far from the or even a problem.
He wasnt helped at all from a terrible performance from Byrne at 10 and a pack completely outperformed.

Asus X540L

Deleted User wrote: »

Easily? You think?

We won the second half and had all the possession.

AdamD

Ross Byrnes body position taking the ball at 10 is akin to your 9 who's been shoved into 10 for your J3 game due to injury. Absolutely awful

UAEguy2020

First try = kick on an advantage after we botched a lineout
Second try = counter attack directly from a botched Irish lineout
1st pen = high tackle from Roux when we have the ball
2nd pen = Needless off the feet from Henderson after we got the ball


We had to be at our best to win today but errors line above are unforgivable.

Subpopulus

Pros:
Managed not to get nilled.
POM shows up
Got a run-out for a few of the young lads.

Cons:
Fail to banish the 'softies' tag
Lineout dreadful.
Fail to make any meaningful forward progress.
Toothless attack
Byrne demonstrates his shortcomings at test level

thomas 123

Burkie1203 wrote: »

England made 4 times as many tackles as us.

They left the ball to us as they knew we could do nothing.

England are fantastic to their credit.

We are looking at an early exit again from the World Cup the way things are going. Long way to go yet of course, but when you keep missing the line out and keep throwing it to the back there is something very wrong.

On the bright side things can only go up right?

razorblunt

glasso wrote: »

England were never in danger of losing this match.

I fully expect Eddie Jones to rehash his cricket comment about declaring at 18 points up.

Burns has to start the remaining games, I’d let JGP there. Let’s see what they can do with a 10 who can play a bit.

I thought the first 10mins looked promising we tried a few dinks and grubbers. Variety. Wish we had maintained it and made their defence think a bit more

VANG1

England are the strongest team in the world, were inexperienced and missing our 2 best centres and out half

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I expect England to win by 10 or more.

Pudsy33

The single most frustrating thing is that everyone had been calling for kicks in behind before kick off and we try it a grand total of twice, once leading to a try.

thomas 123

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

First try = kick on an advantage after we botched a lineout
Second try = counter attack directly from a botched Irish lineout
1st pen = high tackle from Roux when we have the ball
2nd pen = Needless off the feet from Henderson after we got the ball


We had to be at our best to win today but errors line above are unforgivable.

Don’t forget the golden try opportunity in the first half
from the Earls break when Keenan ran in front of the forwards pod and lost possession in the tackle.

Asus X540L

Asus X540L wrote: »

We won the second half and had all the possession.

When the game was never in doubt we were on top without seriously threatening the line. I am sure if we got closer England would have responded with something