The Vaccine

greenspurs

greenspurs wrote: »

You use it as a reply to any other questions??
Not clever really is it.

Wheres flu gone ??

There's been a huge degree of care taken by people that would be absent most other years. Eg distancing and masks. On top of that, we barely even have inward travel to the country plus it's less infectious than coronavirus. So all of this adds up to no flu in Ireland. Every country has faced a decrease in flu because of measures.

Timberrrrrrrr

greenspurs wrote: »

Can you type any other reply ?



Where has influenza gone ??

"In Ireland, between 200 and 500 people, mainly older people, die from flu each winter.

Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths."
https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

NONE in Ireland this year ! WOW .....
https://www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/

"Professor Ian Barr, deputy director of the World Health Organisation’s collaborating centre for reference and research on influenza in Melbourne told The Guardian that flu cases had “fallen off a cliff since March”.

You mean when social distancing started? When people worked from home instead of packed into offices? When less people used public transport? When less people were out socialising in packed bars and clubs?

Its almost as if this proves social distancing and lockdowns work.

greenspurs

King Mob wrote: »

Only because you guys keep trying to deflect away from it.
You keep trying to deflect away from it because you can't address it.
You can't address it because your beliefs aren't true and are based on irrational nonsense.

If that's not the case, please address the point.


We can address the point after we address the one that's been left hanging.
From experience, I know that if I try to address this next point, you guys will likewise ignore the explanation and counter points and try to deflect from that one too.


The topic of the thread is not the flu, it's the vaccine.
So, why are you more worried about the vaccine than covid when covid is ten thousand times more dangerous?

Again, I predict you won't answer and you'll deflect.

Do you think you are the chairman of Conspiracy Theories ?? :rolleyes:
You have some cheek to DEMAND answers, get a grip lad, maybe log out of boards for a while and allow others talk .
Theres more than your agenda allowed in here !!

:rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr

greenspurs wrote: »

Do you think you are the chairman of Conspiracy Theories ?? :rolleyes:
You have some cheek to DEMAND answers, get a grip lad, maybe log out of boards for a while and allow others talk .
Theres more than your agenda allowed in here !!

:rolleyes:

So people should be able to make any ludicrous claim they want and not answer when questions are asked? Is it an echo chamber you want where only people who agree with you post?

Its never ceases to amaze me how many conspiracy theorists get angry like this when asked to back up thier claims. Why dodge the questions?

Pablo Escobar

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You mean when social distancing started? When people worked from home instead of packed into offices? When less people used public transport? When less people were out socialising in packed bars and clubs?

Its almost as if this proves social distancing and lockdowns work.

It is indeed an incredible co-incidence.

fergus1001

penno wrote:

It is terrible that anyone who voices their reservations about taking the vaccine are called 'conspiracy theorists' or shot down straight away as having no clue as to how a vaccine works.

1. because they dont

2. its usually accompanied by george soros wants to track me (while they are using a phone that is doing that already) spew

enno99

greenspurs wrote: »

Can you type any other reply ?



Where has influenza gone ??

"In Ireland, between 200 and 500 people, mainly older people, die from flu each winter.

Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths."
https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

NONE in Ireland this year ! WOW .....
https://www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/

"Professor Ian Barr, deputy director of the World Health Organisation’s collaborating centre for reference and research on influenza in Melbourne told The Guardian that flu cases had “fallen off a cliff since March”.

Not to mention decrease in heart failure and other causes of death

Ted_YNWA

greenspurs wrote: »

Do you think you are the chairman of Conspiracy Theories ?? :rolleyes:
You have some cheek to DEMAND answers, get a grip lad, maybe log out of boards for a while and allow others talk .
Theres more than your agenda allowed in here !!

:rolleyes:

Mod

Everyone is entitled to post here. This is a discussion forum. Regardless what side of the topic you post an opinion on, prepare to DISCUSS it further and expand on it.

As stated above, this is not a echo chamber for one side of any topic.

King Mob

greenspurs wrote: »

Do you think you are the chairman of Conspiracy Theories ?? :rolleyes:
You have some cheek to DEMAND answers, get a grip lad, maybe log out of boards for a while and allow others talk .
Theres more than your agenda allowed in here !!

Sure.
I'm asking you to elaborate and explain your position.
You aren't actually doing this for some reason.

I'm simply asking you to explain why you and other conspiracy theorists are so afraid of the vaccine when it's been shown that covid is far more dangerous.

To me, this doesn't make sense. So I'm asking you why it makes sense to you.
For some reason, no one seems to want to answer this (or any question) but they won't explain this reason either.

Again, I don't understand how "please explain and elaborate on your position" can be taken to be somehow trying to limit or stop those positions being expressed.

Lex Luthor

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nope, try again

so you think its perfectly normal to be sent for a COVID test if you show up at your GP for a skin rash on your leg pre Level 5 lockdown and also having GP's saying they wont see anyone at their surgery without getting a COVID PCR test, but then as soon as L5 hits, the number of tests and people being sent drops significantly?

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

so you think its perfectly normal to be sent for a COVID test if you show up at your GP for a skin rash on your leg pre Level 5 lockdown and also having GP's saying they wont see anyone at their surgery without getting a COVID PCR test, but then as soon as L5 hits, the number of tests and people being sent drops significantly?

What do you believe is the true reason for this?

Dohnjoe

Lex Luthor wrote: »

so you think its perfectly normal to be sent for a COVID test if you show up at your GP for a skin rash on your leg pre Level 5 lockdown and also having GP's saying they wont see anyone at their surgery without getting a COVID PCR test, but then as soon as L5 hits, the number of tests and people being sent drops significantly?

It's a straightforward question. Why did cases increase in March/April and then decrease just after that?

If you can't answer, then try this: you're running a country, suddenly a very infectious disease hits, you need to reduce it spreading between everyone, so what do you do? (whilst balancing the economy and other factors)

kippy

Lex Luthor wrote: »

so you think its perfectly normal to be sent for a COVID test if you show up at your GP for a skin rash on your leg pre Level 5 lockdown and also having GP's saying they wont see anyone at their surgery without getting a COVID PCR test, but then as soon as L5 hits, the number of tests and people being sent drops significantly?

So too did the positivity rate.....from over 7 percent to circa 2.5 percent......it's fairly basic matchs here.....
People's close contacts went down on average over the periods of increased restrictions....less people need to be tested as a result....
Any btw, doctors requirements did not chance before and during the last set of level 5 restrictions....

JJayoo

I have heard that the vaccine will cause reverse anus syndrome??

Timberrrrrrrr

JJayoo wrote: »

I have heard that the vaccine will cause reverse anus syndrome??

Only on the antivaxx arseholes :pac:

Steve012

So what is the latest conspiracy theory on C19 ?

It's there we have to deal with it.

One thing I do remember from back in July, 2 Japanese high up virologists said covid19 couldn't have come from bats to humans, plus one of the worlds best scientists at looking at bat virus's (cause they carry so many) also said it might of come from a bat originally but, it looks very unlikely that this strain came purely from a bat, the non scientific term she used was "far too complicated to have solely come from a bat"

It certainly isn't too far fetched that something happened in a lab near Wuhan.

Other than that it's there now, so are vaccines, and if you research and have a good look at the vaccines, they are relatively very safe.

Steve012

JJayoo wrote: »

I have heard that the vaccine will cause reverse anus syndrome??

Fckin hell a reversed arse "didn't some young fella in the sun paper have a reverted arse" he said when he was in hospital he heard in the bed next to him Elvis singing a chorus from "Teddy bear"

Dohnjoe

Steve012 wrote: »

So what is the latest conspiracy theory on C19 ?

It's there we have to deal with it.

One thing I do remember from back in July, 2 Japanese high up virologists said covid19 couldn't have come from bats to humans, plus one of the worlds best scientists at looking at bat virus's (cause they carry so many) also said it might of come from a bat originally but, it looks very unlikely that this strain came purely from a bat, the non scientific term she used was "far too complicated to have solely come from a bat"

The issue with this is there is a overwhelming number of virologists and experts who maintain it made the jump from animals to humans, so much so that it's current consensus

storker

King Mob wrote: »

Again, I don't understand how "please explain and elaborate on your position" can be taken to be somehow trying to limit or stop those positions being expressed.

Perhaps because you left out "...if you don't want rational people to assume you're just a crank."

Dohnjoe

King Mob wrote: »

Again, I don't understand how "please explain and elaborate on your position" can be taken to be somehow trying to limit or stop those positions being expressed.

It exposes that the position is baseless, and some people don't like that.

It's the double-whammy of demonstrating that someone is not just deluding others, but deluding themselves. And in most cases can substitute deluding with "lying to".

Steve012

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The issue with this is there is a overwhelming number of virologists and experts who maintain it made the jump from animals to humans, so much so that it's current consensus

Stand to be corrected that was July info at the time.

Lex Luthor

Luke O'Neill said its easily tweaked to adapt the vaccine for any new strains
They might have to dump that latest batch they manufactured though

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Luke O'Neill said its easily tweaked to adapt the vaccine for any new strains
They might have to dump that latest batch they manufactured though

And this is a conspiracy...how?

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Luke O'Neill said its easily tweaked to adapt the vaccine for any new strains
They might have to dump that latest batch they manufactured though

No, this is not how a vaccine works.
The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now. It still exists and will still be a problem.
There's no need for them to get rid of the vaccine they've already made.

Again, I suspect that you don't actually know how vaccines and viruses work...

Lex Luthor

EyesClosed wrote: »

And this is a conspiracy...how?

I never said it was a conspiracy
I’m just repeating what he said
Once I find the clip I’ll post it

King Mob wrote: »

No, this is not how a vaccine works.
The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now. It still exists and will still be a problem.
There's no need for them to get rid of the vaccine they've already made.

Again, I suspect that you don't actually know how vaccines and viruses work...

Not my words, his

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I never said it was a conspiracy
I’m just repeating what he said
Once I find the clip I’ll post it

Right then why post it here at all? What is the vaccine conspiracy? You have never answered when I asked before

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Not my words, his

Ah so why are you repeating his words but not actually giving the source or the quote?
Last time you did this, it turned out you were telling porkies.

And I still stand by my statement, given this silly things you've claimed and the nonsense you believe, I don't think you know how vaccines or viruses work.

silliussoddius

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I never said it was a conspiracy
I’m just repeating what he said
Once I find the clip I’ll post it


Not my words, his

Why do his words need to be posted here? Anything special about him?

jelem

King Mob wrote: »

No, this is not how a vaccine works.
The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now. It still exists and will still be a problem.
There's no need for them to get rid of the vaccine they've already made.

Again, I suspect that you don't actually know how vaccines and viruses work...

And @kingmob Dont seem to know governments make them as weapons.
china with mainstay dish of pork has been hit with pig virus after pig virus despite their
best working to halt it.
trade\war and destroy country just keep introducing virusand virus to remove trade and food item.
oh its just a coincidence whilst western pharmas give "human error" when revealed a mix of
" live virus" being transported across europe. Was that the H1N1 LOOK it up yourself if the details
have not been removed from media.
im westerner but far from blind - sure this country is riddled with corruption and lies supported by garda
that do nothing but protect the political and large industry vested interests.
recent large fine for goog in france (yes again) france has a Working data protection act unlike here
with a pathetic poem thats a waste of print as
no criminal charges
no fines =============== for breaking any part (excepting criminal conviction data).
may be wild virus but with bankrupt western world with debt that can never be paid. no jobs
and increasing population with incompetant\ignorant\corrupt and arrogant politicians, it is
world war or other means and looks like jackboot rule (lockdowns\restrictions) whilst the
average seems 3% infection rate with expensive vaccine with no track record but pharmas own words
its coral and bleed for money for profit. this is all that has been seen and points at easy option to
reduce population and hold power --- man made virus--
like thw fake "save the children" whilst UN report claims approx 26,000 children killed by
political correct words of "intervention" in libya.
the real Perverts rule the roost and fool the majority, the majority of the time due to brainwash media.
(you prob looked at twitter or faceb__3 or 4 times whilst looking at this).

King Mob

jelem wrote: »

And @kingmob Dont seem to know governments make them as weapons.

No the vaccine is not a weapon.
Your post was odd and rambling and it was impossible to decipher.

jelem

King Mob wrote: »

No the vaccine is not a weapon.
Your post was odd and rambling and it was impossible to decipher.

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans whom have an attention span of less than 3 seconds and
show atzheimer symptoms.
statement with many reasons\assumptions added to support.
ya not get it oooooooooooooops must be that useless leaving cert "education" showing
through again.
1 line you are constantly lied to and fooled by those in positions of authority and power
which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

Dohnjoe

jelem wrote: »

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans whom have an attention span of less than 3 seconds and
show atzheimer symptoms.
statement with many reasons\assumptions added to support.
ya not get it oooooooooooooops must be that useless leaving cert "education" showing
through again.
1 line you are constantly lied to and fooled by those in positions of authority and power
which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

No offense, but this is pretty unintelligible

King Mob

jelem wrote: »

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans

No thanks. You post are rambling and devoid of any substance or coherent argument.

jelem wrote: »

which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

They're*

silliussoddius

Wow, some of these posts look like an eye exams.

jelem

King Mob wrote: »

No thanks. You post are rambling and devoid of any substance or coherent argument.


They're*

flamer proving ignorant and pathetic. touch type and no time to suit your
pedantic wish for perfect grammeer grammar gramear - ADD spelling too
sad fool

King Mob

jelem wrote: »

flamer proving ignorant and pathetic. touch type and no time to suit your
pedantic wish for perfect grammeer grammar gramear - ADD spelling too
sad fool

Lol dude if you're going to rant about how much smarter you are than everyone who disagrees with you, maybe up your writing game.

Also you could try using those superior brains of yours to actually make coherent, supported claims rather than false nonsense.

Pablo Escobar

jelem wrote: »

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans whom have an attention span of less than 3 seconds and
show atzheimer symptoms.
statement with many reasons\assumptions added to support.
ya not get it oooooooooooooops must be that useless leaving cert "education" showing
through again.
1 line you are constantly lied to and fooled by those in positions of authority and power
which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

I actually can't make head nor tail of your posts.

Lex Luthor

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/next-four-to-six-months-could-be-worst-of-pandemic-bill-gates/amp_articleshow/79709807.cms?__twitter_impression=true

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

Hey king mob and dohnjoe, maybe you could both interrogate him

runawaybishop

Lex Luthor wrote: »

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/next-four-to-six-months-could-be-worst-of-pandemic-bill-gates/amp_articleshow/79709807.cms?__twitter_impression=true

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

Hey king mob and dohnjoe, maybe you could both interrogate him

It looks like Bill can read. Not much of a conspiracy

The IHME (Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation) forecast shows over 200,000 additional deaths.

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

Hey king mob and dohnjoe, maybe you could both interrogate him

Reads books for one.
Listens to actual experts, not cranks on YouTube and Twitter for two.

It's not hard to learn more about vaccines and virology. There's tons of resources out there to do it.

But then you don't get to believe in a fun secret conspiracy you can roleplay resisting against.

AMKC

I see that John Giles will be getting the Vaccine later today. He was on Claire Byrne talking about it yesterday.

Dohnjoe

Lex Luthor wrote: »

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/next-four-to-six-months-could-be-worst-of-pandemic-bill-gates/amp_articleshow/79709807.cms?__twitter_impression=true

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

There's a documentary on him on Netflix, you'll find out why there.

gar32

So some studies estimate 35 - 60% of people in the EU have had Covid and just did not know. (They don't need a vaccine.) Less the 1% of people have been worried or sick enough to go for the test. The test inventor said it was not invented to detect Covid. Bill Gates Father was a founding member of the family planning group. (Population control) Bill Gates says in his TED talk about a digital vaccine/Passport. It was later removed but there are still copies of him saying it online.

Plandemic the movie. HOLD up Movie

Enjoy

King Mob

gar32 wrote: »

Plandemic the movie. HOLD up Movie

Plandemic is utter bull**** propaganda that has been completely debunked. No one should waste their time with it.

The virus was not planned. The virus is not artificial.

The rest of your post is either completely untrue or misrepresentation equally as nonsense.

Ted_YNWA

jelem wrote: »

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans whom have an attention span of less than 3 seconds and
show atzheimer symptoms.
statement with many reasons\assumptions added to support.
ya not get it oooooooooooooops must be that useless leaving cert "education" showing
through again.
1 line you are constantly lied to and fooled by those in positions of authority and power
which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

jelem wrote: »

flamer proving ignorant and pathetic. touch type and no time to suit your
pedantic wish for perfect grammeer grammar gramear - ADD spelling too
sad fool

Grammar and spelling mistakes are ok as long as post is readable. You are just throwing random words together.

I'd suggest slowing down your touch typing & read your input before submitting.

[This post is made without a Mod hat on. Don't make me put it on]

Lex Luthor

gar32 wrote: »

So some studies estimate 35 - 60% of people in the EU have had Covid and just did not know. (They don't need a vaccine.) Less the 1% of people have been worried or sick enough to go for the test. The test inventor said it was not invented to detect Covid. Bill Gates Father was a founding member of the family planning group. (Population control) Bill Gates says in his TED talk about a digital vaccine/Passport.

Allowing us to return to our normal way of life
Allows scanning to protect those around us
They show an airport terminal gate where you will be scanned to get on the plane
The colour code system will ALLOW you to go about your daily activities in a safer way
The idea behind it is to use it for many ways, travel, entertainment, offices, education, construction and MUCH MUCH more
Reminders will be sent when its time for you to be tested again and again and again
Your vaccination status can be displayed

Lex Luthor

EyesClosed wrote: »

And this is a conspiracy...how?

I'll get to that shortly

King Mob wrote: »

No, this is not how a vaccine works.
The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now. It still exists and will still be a problem.
There's no need for them to get rid of the vaccine they've already made.

Again, I suspect that you don't actually know how vaccines and viruses work...

you do realise the pfizer & Moderna vaccines are not conventional vaccines

Check this out
Once you've watched this clip, you can move onto the next bit

EyesClosed wrote: »

Right then why post it here at all? What is the vaccine conspiracy? You have never answered when I asked before

don't worry I havent forgotten about you

King Mob wrote: »

it turned out you were telling porkies.

afraid to burst your bubble, here's the clip of the slippery snake being interviewed
You dont have to go too far in to get to the part where he is asked about mutations of the virus
Answer to Question 1 - "if it does mutate the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly"

Modified quickly? So there is a necessity then to modify the vaccine if a new strain develops
If the current vaccine is supposedly effective (95%), then why would he say it can be modified for a new strain?
Surely he should just say this vaccine works for all strains
Is the current vaccine 95% effective for the new strain?

silliussoddius wrote: »

Why do his words need to be posted here? Anything special about him?

Well he is the face of RTE for all things vaccine & COVID since the beginning of this and Tubbs cant get enough of him

silliussoddius wrote: »

Wow, some of these posts look like an eye exams.

for an eye exam you are supposed to open your eyes


...............................
So we now have 2 conflicting approaches from Luke O'Neill and Prof Whitty
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-strain-travel-5299901-Dec2020/

Luke O'Neill has said that if the virus mutates, then the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly
Prof Whitty has said it would be “surprising” if the vaccines already in development were not effective against it.

So which is it?

I would also like to call on our resident virologist expert on here King Mob who has stated that "The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now"

Luke O'Neill basically said that for any new strains the vaccine can be modified quickly which means a new vaccine for a new strain
Does that mean for the new strain there will be a 2nd vaccine? Whats your opinion?
If they do need to have a 2nd vaccine, then anyone going for the vaccine would need to get 2 vaccines for the 2 strains that are currently out there, meaning 4 jabs
And then you would be part of that Phase 4 trial and be a statistic for the safety analysis for the 2nd vaccine aswell as the first vaccine

He also stated that he doesnt know what long term effects these vaccines will have on the people taking it, but "thats the hope"

But 1000's of brilliant minds worked on this new vaccine, but here he is, the face of the government & RTE stating that he doesnt know what the long term effects will be
That doesnt matter though because its got 95% efficacy. To hell with the long term effects

I would also like to quote Ronan "its too early to tell" Glynn, we cant leave him out of this
“There’s very little information available on it at the moment and there’s further epidemiological and virological investigation going on by colleagues in the UK."

Does he not believe what Prof Whitty is saying. Whitty says "there is no evidence the strain is more dangerous or that symptoms are any worse or different"
How does he know? Its too early to tell they say

“There’s very little information available on it at the moment"
"there is no evidence the strain is more dangerous"
Which is it?

Just as well they have this information from the "official early warning system with European colleagues and the UK"

OR, is it just a possibility that this new strain is just a variant of the flu?

Lads, the wool that is growing on your backs is well & truly being pulled over your eyes

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

you do realise the pfizer & Moderna vaccines are not conventional vaccines

Yes.
What's your point. You've failed entirely to detail any rational concerns about them.
The best you had was they used "nano-" in the name of an ingredient.

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Check this out
Once you've watched this clip, you can move onto the next bit


afraid to burst your bubble, here's the clip of the slippery snake being interviewed
You dont have to go too far in to get to the part where he is asked about mutations of the virus
Answer to Question 1 - "if it does mutate the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly"

Modified quickly? So there is a necessity then to modify the vaccine if a new strain develops
If the current vaccine is supposedly effective (95%), then why would he say it can be modified for a new strain?
Surely he should just say this vaccine works for all strains
Is the current vaccine 95% effective for the new strain?

Ok. You're going to have to show that you actually understand at a basic level what vaccines and viruses are. Because I'm now convinced by this ridiculous argument above that you don't know how vaccines and viruses work or what they are..

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I'll get to that shortly


you do realise the pfizer & Moderna vaccines are not conventional vaccines

Check this out
Once you've watched this clip, you can move onto the next bit


don't worry I havent forgotten about you



afraid to burst your bubble, here's the clip of the slippery snake being interviewed
You dont have to go too far in to get to the part where he is asked about mutations of the virus
Answer to Question 1 - "if it does mutate the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly"

Modified quickly? So there is a necessity then to modify the vaccine if a new strain develops
If the current vaccine is supposedly effective (95%), then why would he say it can be modified for a new strain?
Surely he should just say this vaccine works for all strains
Is the current vaccine 95% effective for the new strain?


Well he is the face of RTE for all things vaccine & COVID since the beginning of this and Tubbs cant get enough of him


for an eye exam you are supposed to open your eyes


...............................
So we now have 2 conflicting approaches from Luke O'Neill and Prof Whitty
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-strain-travel-5299901-Dec2020/

Luke O'Neill has said that if the virus mutates, then the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly
Prof Whitty has said it would be “surprising” if the vaccines already in development were not effective against it.

So which is it?

I would also like to call on our resident virologist expert on here King Mob who has stated that "The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now"

Luke O'Neill basically said that for any new strains the vaccine can be modified quickly which means a new vaccine for a new strain
Does that mean for the new strain there will be a 2nd vaccine? Whats your opinion?
If they do need to have a 2nd vaccine, then anyone going for the vaccine would need to get 2 vaccines for the 2 strains that are currently out there, meaning 4 jabs
And then you would be part of that Phase 4 trial and be a statistic for the safety analysis for the 2nd vaccine aswell as the first vaccine

He also stated that he doesnt know what long term effects these vaccines will have on the people taking it, but "thats the hope"

But 1000's of brilliant minds worked on this new vaccine, but here he is, the face of the government & RTE stating that he doesnt know what the long term effects will be
That doesnt matter though because its got 95% efficacy. To hell with the long term effects

I would also like to quote Ronan "its too early to tell" Glynn, we cant leave him out of this
“There’s very little information available on it at the moment and there’s further epidemiological and virological investigation going on by colleagues in the UK."

Does he not believe what Prof Whitty is saying. Whitty says "there is no evidence the strain is more dangerous or that symptoms are any worse or different"
How does he know? Its too early to tell they say

“There’s very little information available on it at the moment"
"there is no evidence the strain is more dangerous"
Which is it?

Just as well they have this information from the "official early warning system with European colleagues and the UK"

OR, is it just a possibility that this new strain is just a variant of the flu?

Lads, the wool that is growing on your backs is well & truly being pulled over your eyes

....and for the third time...whats the conspiracy???

greenspurs

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Grammar and spelling mistakes are ok as long as post is readable. You are just throwing random words together.

I'd suggest slowing down your touch typing & read your input before submitting.

[This post is made without a Mod hat on. Don't make me put it on]

WOW .........

:eek: