The Vaccine

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

You have lost all credibility at this point.

:rolleyes:
to you? I'm not really bothered

Dohnjoe

Lex Luthor wrote: »

When Margaret Keenan left the hospital after getting the vaccine, why did she need to wear a mask?

And all that hugging & kissing from her awaiting family. Surely thats not allowed under the current regime

Protect the elderly

The vaccine will protect you

Is everyone enjoying the show?

"That person is/isn't wearing a mask, the whole thing's a scam"

You seem to think this whole thing is some sort of "trick" and you're catching it out, but you can't explain what the trick is..

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

:rolleyes:
to you? I'm not really bothered

No, to anyone reading.

Why would anyone take you seriously when you've had to be so dishonest and you don't even know what vaccines are?

King Mob

One thousand points and not a single coherent conspiracy theory has been presented.

It should be excruciatingly clear that there is none.

Mickey_James

Question - if they don't know how long immunity lasts, how can they know if there's no long term effects?

skooterblue2

Sorry try a little harder ......https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/11/25/theragripper-gi-tract-medicine-delivery/

Anything you see as current high technology has been in use 20 years by governments.

circadian

Lex Luthor wrote: »

When Margaret Keenan left the hospital after getting the vaccine, why did she need to wear a mask?

And all that hugging & kissing from her awaiting family. Surely thats not allowed under the current regime

Protect the elderly

The vaccine will protect you

Is everyone enjoying the show?

You do realise that vaccines don't immediately protect, right? Like, you do understand the basic fundamentals of how vaccines work?

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

you've had to be so dishonest

clarify this statement

Lex Luthor

circadian wrote: »

You do realise that vaccines don't immediately protect, right? Like, you do understand the basic fundamentals of how vaccines work?

so if thats the case then why all the close contact, touching, kissing if she is in danger?

The xmas wishlist from the government is that you dont hug & kiss family members and keep grandad by the window

circadian

Lex Luthor wrote: »

so if thats the case then why all the close contact, touching, kissing if she is in danger?

What on Earth are you yapping about?

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

clarify this statement

Well you've lied about the contents of your links.
That is when you actually supply them. More often than not, you dodge and refuse to support what you claim.
You've also dodged hundreds of questions and points because you can't address them.
You've also refused to actually outline your position many times on many different things.
And you also keep pretending to understand topics like vaccines when this is clearly not the case.

All of this is very dishonest.
Not sure what else you'd call it.

It's all very typical behavior from people who claim to believe in conspiracy theories.

Lex Luthor

circadian wrote: »

What on Earth are you yapping about?

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gmisk

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Sorry try a little harder ......https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/11/25/theragripper-gi-tract-medicine-delivery/

Anything you see as current high technology has been in use 20 years by governments.

Theragrippers
You have been saying Terragrippers the entire time..

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

One thousand points and not a single coherent conspiracy theory has been presented.

It should be excruciatingly clear that there is none.

But you're still here

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

When Margaret Keenan left the hospital after getting the vaccine, why did she need to wear a mask?

And all that hugging & kissing from her awaiting family. Surely thats not allowed under the current regime

Protect the elderly

The vaccine will protect you

Is everyone enjoying the show?

Wearing a mask, she could be a carrier. Secondly a vaccine doesn't instantaneously work, takes a few weeks generally to build up antibodies. You don't seem very informed on vaccines...

In relation to family, they could be in her bubble and that's it. Not ideal but what a lot of people do.

skooterblue2

gmisk wrote: »

Theragrippers
You have been saying Terragrippers the entire time..

I only heard a lecturer talk about it the other day during a conversation. I hadnt a chance to look it up yet. but I recall everything he told me about it in 5 minutes.

circadian

Lex Luthor wrote: »

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This has to be some of the most disingenuous bull**** I've seen in a while.


1. They are still wearing masks.
2. Most likely, these people will be sharing a household.
3. They were more than likely advised against this behaviour but, contrary to what some want to believe, they do not live under a Gestapo Dictatorship that will instantly punish transgressions like that.



I'd be almost certain that they are part of a single household and these are expressions of excitement and joy rather than some massive conspiracy.

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

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This isn't hard to understand so why are you trying to score points.
It's been widely publicised that the vaccine is to be administered in 2 doses and that protection isn't fully effective until 28 days after vaccination.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against

Maybe spend less time trying to actually research the facts and less time trying to find a conspiracy that it would seem from this thread can't be shown to exist.

skooterblue2

Mickey_James wrote: »

Question - if they don't know how long immunity lasts, how can they know if there's no long term effects?

Well you are going to need a top-up for every corona virus for every year arent you?

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

But you're still here

Yes, because I'm curious why you guys are spreading misinformation despite knowing it's nonsense. I'm curious why you go to extremes of dishonest, basically embarrassing yourself and making yourself a laughing stock to profess a belief in a conspiracy that you 1) can't outline in a coherent way, 2) you have to be completely dishonest and ignorant to maintain and 3) don't actually believe in the first place because you know it's nonsense.

Additionally, misinformation shouldn't be given free reign. it should be questioned, challenged and pointed out how wrong and sometimes hilarious it is.

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Sorry try a little harder ......https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/11/25/theragripper-gi-tract-medicine-delivery/

Anything you see as current high technology has been in use 20 years by governments.

It would have helped if you spelled it correctly. So what is the conspiracy with this?

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I only heard a lecturer talk about it the other day during a conversation. I hadnt a chance to look it up yet. but I recall everything he told me about it in 5 minutes.

Did he say it is part of the conspiracy? Maybe ask him what his opinion is on the conspiracy since he seems to have knowledge of what may be possible.

circadian

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You can ask.... Lets say it was an Irish University and not a printing press one.

It's grand, you already told us.




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Lex Luthor

circadian wrote: »

You do realise that vaccines don't immediately protect, right? Like, you do understand the basic fundamentals of how vaccines work?

What I am trying to say is that if she wasnt at risk, then why release her after 2 days?

Even a child understands the logic of that

So immunity typically from a vaccine takes 2 weeks to build up, then at 90yrs of age she is still in one of the most at risk categories, but she is allowed out and getting hugged, kissed and touched by her family, when up until then they couldnt get near her apart from through a glass window

if this thread wasnt funny, I dont think I'd waste my time in here

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well you are going to need a top-up for every corona virus for every year arent you?

Says who?

circadian

Lex Luthor wrote: »

What I am trying to say is that if she wasnt at risk, then why release her after 2 days?

Even a child understands the logic of that

So immunity typically from a vaccine takes 2 weeks to build up, then at 90yrs of age she is still in one of the most at risk categories, but she is allowed out and getting hugged, kissed and touched by her family, when up until then they couldnt get near her apart from through a glass window

if this thread wasnt funny, I dont think I'd waste my time in here

Ah right, so everyone that gets vaccinated should take up hospital space in a health system that's being crippled by the very virus they're receiving a vaccine for?


Again, she is most likely living with her family. The risk remains the same regardless of vaccination status, until she has the antibodies. In fact, a home setting is probably much safer than a healthcare one in relation to catching the virus. The 2 day stay I would imagine is to monitor in case of a reaction to the vaccine than anything else.

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

Did he say it is part of the conspiracy? Maybe ask him what his opinion is on the conspiracy since he seems to have knowledge of what may be possible.

No, I am smart enough to pick my battles.

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

Says who?

Well the Virus is going to "mutate" so you will need a new vaccine?

circadian

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No, I am smart enough to pick my battles.

So you're willing to paraphrase him but unwilling to challenge what was actually said? Why is that?

King Mob

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well the Virus is going to "mutate" so you will need a new vaccine?

Lol why are you putting mutate in scare quotes?
Are you saying that the virus can't do this? Or won't?
Or are you claiming that all the scientists all over the world who are involved in your ridiculous conspiracy are going to falsely claim that it mutated?

I thought you were supposed to be good at biology, yet now I'm starting to doubt that you understand what vaccines are and how they work...

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No, I am smart enough to pick my battles.

Why do you need to fight with him over it. Just ask for your own knowledge what is possible and what's not. It's very common in my experience for people to ask opinions off people who are more know about a subject. I find it also helps to stop the spread of false information and conspiracies.

King Mob

circadian wrote: »

So you're willing to paraphrase him but unwilling to challenge what was actually said? Why is that?

Only a rebel online.

Claims all this online but won't actually bring it up in class.

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well the Virus is going to "mutate" so you will need a new vaccine?

Again how do you know this? Is this another part of the conspiracy to ensure that the big pharmaceutical companies make money year after year?
How often do you get measles or polio vaccinations?

circadian

King Mob wrote: »

Only a rebel online.

Claims all this online but won't actually bring it up in class.

I'm 99% certain this user has taken something their Professor has said in class and found a way to use it to justify their own hypothesis without actually;


Doing any of their own research,
Maintaining the context of what was said.


Worst case scenario is that there is a lecturer in Maynooth who is supporting and spreading misinformation, which if this is the case, I'm sure the Head of Biology in Maynooth (Prof. Moynagh) would like to know about it.


Much like UCD distancing itself from Delores Cahill.

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

Again how do you know this? Is this another part of the conspiracy to ensure that the big pharmaceutical companies make money year after year?
How often do you get measles or polio vaccinations?

Just got told they found a new variant of it yesterday.
People get the flu vaccine every year this will be the new normal

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

Why do you need to fight with him over it. Just ask for your own knowledge what is possible and what's not. It's very common in my experience for people to ask opinions off people who are more know about a subject. I find it also helps to stop the spread of false information and conspiracies.

Have you actually been to University? Its not a place for debate anymore. The advice I got was going to college was, sup the soup being a good boy and dont upset anyone.

King Mob

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Have you actually been to University? Its not a place for debate anymore. The advice I got was going to college was, sup the soup being a good boy and dont upset anyone.

No, sorry. That's just code for "don't expose your wacky paranoid conspiracy beliefs because you know you'll be laughed at, or worse, you might start to doubt the conspiracy."

Also, no, you're not like a person living in the Famine because your conspiracy theories aren't taken seriously by most grown ups.

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Just got told they found a new variant of it yesterday.
People get the flu vaccine every year this will be the new normal

And what part of this is a conspiracy?

skooterblue2

King Mob wrote: »

No, sorry. That's just code for "don't expose your wacky paranoid conspiracy beliefs because you know you'll be laughed at, or worse, you might start to doubt the conspiracy."

Also, no, you're not like a person living in the Famine because your conspiracy theories aren't taken seriously by most grown ups.

Easy for you to say when your boots aren't on the ground in college. how about you go up to your boss and tell him how the company should be run? Same difference. There is a time for everything.

King Mob

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Easy for you to say when your boots aren't on the ground in college. how about you go up to your boss and tell him how the company should be run? Same difference. There is a time for everything.

Mm hm. I'm sure you tell yourself this and that you are a very brave rebel.

In reality you are just too afraid to actually stand behind your conspiracy theories because people will rightly laugh them out of the room.

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Have you actually been to University? Its not a place for debate anymore. The advice I got was going to college was, sup the soup being a good boy and dont upset anyone.

I'm currently a mature student and would have no problem asking a lecturer to clarify something I was struggling to understand or wanted more info on. Most lecturers love being asked questions as it gives them a chance to show their knowledge and usually helps advance the entire classes learning rather than just reading off a PowerPoint presentation.

That's the worst advice I have ever heard. Why would you not question what you are being taught particularly if you don't understand it very well which, no offense, seems to be the case?

Lex Luthor

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Just got told they found a new variant of it yesterday.
People get the flu vaccine every year this will be the new normal

I wonder if this will mean they will have to get a new database of cough recordings for the AI voice recognition software to be able to diagnose for COVID for this new strain or will the existing one suffice?

circadian

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Easy for you to say when your boots aren't on the ground in college. how about you go up to your boss and tell him how the company should be run? Same difference. There is a time for everything.

I work in higher education, including with NUIM and would state that they are a place that supports healthy debate. Who exactly told you to "sup the soup being a good boy and dont upset anyone."? I sincerely doubt that was in any official capacity.

ohnonotgmail

aido79 wrote: »

I'm currently a mature student and would have no problem asking a lecturer to clarify something I was struggling to understand or wanted more info on. Most lecturers love being asked questions as it gives them a chance to show their knowledge and usually helps advance the entire classes learning rather than just reading off a PowerPoint presentation.

That's the worst advice I have ever heard. Why would you not question what you are being taught particularly if you don't understand it very well which, no offense, seems to be the case?

Is that not the whole point of college? to learn how to think for yourselves and question perceived wisdom?

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I wonder if this will mean they will have to get a new database of cough recordings for the AI voice recognition software to be able to diagnose for COVID for this new strain or will the existing one suffice?

How does that fit in with the conspiracy?

aido79

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Is that not the whole point of college? to learn how to think for yourselves and question perceived wisdom?

That's what I always thought. I was told by a lecturer many years ago that most of what we learned in college would be obsolete(electronics) in a few years but the whole point of college was to get us into a way of thinking.

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

I'm currently a mature student and would have no problem asking a lecturer to clarify something I was struggling to understand or wanted more info on. Most lecturers love being asked questions as it gives them a chance to show their knowledge and usually helps advance the entire classes learning rather than just reading off a PowerPoint presentation.

That's the worst advice I have ever heard. Why would you not question what you are being taught particularly if you don't understand it very well which, no offense, seems to be the case?

Not the same thing. Have an open disagreement with them in class and see where it gets you. I had a mate who told a lecturer that there werent 27 different genders. He switched subjects fast enough.

King Mob

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Not the same thing. Have an open disagreement with them in class and see where it gets you. I had a mate who told a lecturer that there werent 27 different genders. He switched subjects fast enough.

I had a mate who's head fell off cause he watched too many conspiracy videos.
Better watch out for that.

Lex Luthor

aido79 wrote: »

That's what I always thought. I was told by a lecturer many years ago that most of what we learned in college would be obsolete(electronics) in a few years but the whole point of college was to get us into a way of thinking.

How does that fit in with the conspiracy?

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

I'm currently a mature student and would have no problem asking a lecturer to clarify something I was struggling to understand or wanted more info on. Most lecturers love being asked questions as it gives them a chance to show their knowledge and usually helps advance the entire classes learning rather than just reading off a PowerPoint presentation.

That's the worst advice I have ever heard. Why would you not question what you are being taught particularly if you don't understand it very well which, no offense, seems to be the case?

Ahem on what course? I had some fairly mad ideas on GcMAF and David Noakes.They like to be asked questions not to have their subject questioned , big difference.