The Vaccine

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never claimed to have studied over homeopathy. I own a large collection of books but claim never to have studied it.

You are claiming homeopathy works though but there's zero evidence for it providing any benefit beyond a placebo effect. Meanwhile you're claiming vaccines are bad news even though they are proven to work and have saved tens of millions of live since the first came into existence.

To use an example, do you think retaining multiple forms of cervical cancer is better than the hpv vaccine?

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

what situation would that be?

Have you ever gone to an acupuncturist, Homeopath or the like with a serious complaint?

I am guessing not, which is also fine.

A situation where covid19 was able to make people in the east sick and then allow it to spread around the world. Surely eastern medicine could have stopped this?
I hope this sounds as ridiculous to you as most of your ramblings sound to me.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

To use an example, do you think retaining multiple forms of cervical cancer is better than the hpv vaccine?

Well I never claimed to be an expert in vaccines or cervical cancer but the current Irish approach of "test and conceal" hasnt worked out great for thousands of women. ISnt that the way we work in Ireland? Make a medical blunder and conceal it?

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

A situation where covid19 was able to make people in the east sick and then allow it to spread around the world. Surely eastern medicine could have stopped this?
I hope this sounds as ridiculous to you as most of your ramblings sound to me.

Actually TCM is one sixth of the Chinese GP training. So western medicine didnt stop it either. I cannot really judge it as I have met anyone who has had it. So really its a bit of an urban myth to me.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well I never claimed to be an expert in vaccines or cervical cancer but the current Irish approach of "test and conceal" hasnt worked out great for thousands of women. ISnt that the way we work in Ireland? Make a medical blunder and conceal it?

You're not addressing my point, the hpv vaccine is set to be responsible for a drastic reduction in cervical cases. Prevention is better, you said it yourself. This is good, no?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-45727977

Also you've been happy to make pronouncements snot the dangers of vaccines when knowing very little if anything about them.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

You're not addressing my point, the hpv vaccine is set to be responsible for a drastic reduction in cervical cases. Prevention is better, you said it yourself. This is good, no?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-45727977

Also you've been happy to make pronouncements snot the dangers of vaccines when knowing very little if anything about them.

I have seen a few vaccines go wrong leaving young girls having fits and seizures.

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Actually TCM is one sixth of the Chinese GP training. So western medicine didnt stop it either. I cannot really judge it as I have met anyone who has had it. So really its a bit of an urban myth to me.

Please clarify what is the urban myth to you.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I have seen a few vaccines go wrong leaving young girls having fits and seizures.

Firstly, it's pretty rare to actually see such a claim being verified cause they often amount to nonsense. Incredibly rare side effects still end up greatly outweighing the risk of cervical cancer. To use an example, the supposed side effects of the hpv vaccine saw no discernable difference between ordinary occurrence rate.

https://www.irishlifehealth.ie/blog/the-hpv-vaccine-still-worried

faceman

Quiner wrote: »

No one said anything about microchips.

Health Passport Ireland could, and I say could, encompass all health. I gave the example of a person with a cold being denied entry to a restaurant, for example. A person with a cold is technically unhealthy. So they could find themselves locked out of society. Why are they going to all the bother of trialling it across the country if they don't envision it being implemented in Ireland?

Again, PSC, it failed dramatically even though it had far more benefits to the nation than a health passport. You are talking fantasy stuff

But to flip the coin. Hopefully this pandemic teaches us that if you’re sick, you stay home work and social activities. It’s unacceptable for people to think they can socialise with people in a work or leisure context while ill and spread their germs around. Don’t you agree?

Quiner

faceman wrote: »

Again, PSC, it failed dramatically even though it had far more benefits to the nation than a health passport. You are talking fantasy stuff

But to flip the coin. Hopefully this pandemic teaches us that if you’re sick, you stay home work and social activities. It’s unacceptable for people to think they can socialise with people in a work or leisure context while ill and spread their germs around. Don’t you agree?

I hope you're right, but more than one health passport is being rolled out. Freedom passes are set to be introduced in the UK. Health Passport Ireland is being trialled all across the country and the government is set to analyse the results. So all the signs point to it being rolled out in some form. Especially considering what was described as the great success of the trial in that small Roscommon town.

I agree. I'd be happy to do that.

Timberrrrrrrr

Quiner wrote: »

I hope you're right, but more than one health passport is being rolled out. Freedom passes are set to be introduced in the UK. Health Passport Ireland is being trialled all across the country and the government is set to analyse the results. So all the signs point to it being rolled out in some form. Especially considering what was described as the great success of the trial in that small Roscommon town.

I agree. I'd be happy to do that.

London already has a freedom pass.

Fighting Tao

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

London already has a freedom pass.

It’s great that the freedom pass is being rolled out in all of the uk. It gives so many people access to transport.

Obvious lack of research and ignorance of the subject again by a conspiracy theorist. Can I still call them conspiracy theorists when they can’t identify any conspiracy, or what should they be called?

Quiner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

It’s great that the freedom pass is being rolled out in all of the uk. It gives so many people access to transport.

Obvious lack of research and ignorance of the subject again by a conspiracy theorist. Can I still call them conspiracy theorists when they can’t identify any conspiracy, or what should they be called?

Or perhaps I was referring to the one described in this article: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/coronavirus-freedom-passes-breach-of-civil-liberties-vaccine/

Quiner

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8974617/amp/Britons-test-negative-Covid-twice-week-set-receive-freedom-pass.html

More on the freedom pass 'conspiracy theory'.

Fighting Tao

Quiner wrote: »

Or perhaps I was referring to the one described in this article: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/coronavirus-freedom-passes-breach-of-civil-liberties-vaccine/

Not the first time you got names of things mixed up.

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

Please clarify what is the urban myth to you.

That Covid 19 is killing million world wide. The deaths in Italy were mostly people over 80, smokers with 2 or more pre existing conditions. 99.94% are recovering. IF you are 80+ a smoker and two or more prexisting conditions.... you are on borrowed time.

robinph

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never claimed to have studied over homeopathy. I own a large collection of books but claim never to have studied it.

So you know nothing about homeopathy, have a load of books, haven't read them, don't know anything about the qualification that some guy giving you homeopathy treatments has, don't know anything about what is in what they are giving you and this same person is presumably the one who has been telling you about mercury and aluminium in vaccines?

Can you potentially see a conflict of interest there? Someone is trying to sell you something, won't tell you what's in it or how it works, but they are also telling not to belive medical science?

Whilst your GP has been certified by national bodies, there is a strict set of protocols they have to follow, they have passed multiple medical exams and you could confirm the qualifications if you so wished, they provide treatments based on science that is open for anyone else (who can understand it) to question, the drugs they provide are all controlled, there is extensive testing on those drugs, the ingredients of the drugs are published, the effects (both positive and negative) of the drugs are published and the pricing of the drugs is regulated.

Now who is the more suitable person to ask for advice on medical matters?

Fighting Tao

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That Covid 19 is killing million world wide. The deaths in Italy were mostly people over 80, smokers with 2 or more pre existing conditions. 99.94% are recovering. IF you are 80+ a smoker and two or more prexisting conditions.... you are on borrowed time.

So you think it is alright to tell elderly etc to go fcuk themselves as their lives are not important?

Don’t forget those people who don’t have underlying issues that are still very sick months after getting covid, or have died from it too.

Quiner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Not the first time you got names of things mixed up.

I didn't get the name mixed up. I was being sarcastic. So yet another "conspiracy theory" comes to pass.

Quiner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So you think it is alright to tell elderly etc to go fcuk themselves as their lives are not important?

Don’t forget those people who don’t have underlying issues that are still very sick months after getting covid, or have died from it too.

No, but it's also not ok to tell two young mothers that their lives are not important by cancelling appointments and pausing chemo treatment because of the covid obsession. One tragically died as aged 31, the other young lady, 23, has months to live. It's awful.

Fighting Tao

Quiner wrote: »

I didn't get the name mixed up. I was being sarcastic. So yet another "conspiracy theory" comes to pass.

It suits conspiracy theorists to twist facts, leave out words etc. It is to create doubt and uncertainty.

Quiner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

It suits conspiracy theorists to twist facts, leave out words etc. It is to create doubt and uncertainty.

I called it a freedom pass. It's not my fault you confused it with a different freedom pass. The formerly free West is looking at a future of freedom passes, lockdowns for potentially years, and green, orange and red lights in the form of Health Passport Ireland, or one of the other health passports that are being rolled out as we speak.

robinph

Quiner wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8974617/amp/Britons-test-negative-Covid-twice-week-set-receive-freedom-pass.html

More on the freedom pass 'conspiracy theory'.

So when do you see this being setup and available to people?

If someone were to get 2 tests a week, every week, at the moment then all they would be doing is wasting resources. Even if they did have this pass to do things, they still can't do whatever it is until everyone else has a pass as well. They would be in a very lonely club of one and nothing to do.

To have such a system working they would need to be testing maybe 50% of the population, twice a week, every week. So 70 million odd tests per week. Since this whole thing started the UK has only carried out 48 million tests in 10 months, and you think that they will be doing more than that per week?

Even if it was possible to test at that scale, long before you reach that level of testing you should be in a position to eliminate covid through isolating the active cases and stopping the spread... So rendering the idea of a pass to get out and do stuff pointless.

skooterblue2

robinph wrote: »

So you know nothing about homeopathy, have a load of books, haven't read them, don't know anything about the qualification that some guy giving you homeopathy treatments has, don't know anything about what is in what they are giving you and this same person is presumably the one who has been telling you about mercury and aluminium in vaccines?

Can you potentially see a conflict of interest there? Someone is trying to sell you something, won't tell you what's in it or how it works, but they are also telling not to belive medical science?

Whilst your GP has been certified by national bodies, there is a strict set of protocols they have to follow, they have passed multiple medical exams and you could confirm the qualifications if you so wished, they provide treatments based on science that is open for anyone else (who can understand it) to question, the drugs they provide are all controlled, there is extensive testing on those drugs, the ingredients of the drugs are published, the effects (both positive and negative) of the drugs are published and the pricing of the drugs is regulated.

Now who is the more suitable person to ask for advice on medical matters?

I never asked him where he qualified from in homeopathy. I know where he qualified from acupuncture college.

Well if it took the GP 6 weeks to work out it was sarcoidosis, and the Homeopath had me back in school after a week in a half. Who do I trust?

Quiner

robinph wrote: »

So when do you see this being setup and available to people?

If someone were to get 2 tests a week, every week, at the moment then all they would be doing is wasting resources. Even if they did have this pass to do things, they still can't do whatever it is until everyone else has a pass as well. They would be in a very lonely club of one and nothing to do.

To have such a system working they would need to be testing maybe 50% of the population, twice a week, every week. So 70 million odd tests per week. Since this whole thing started the UK has only carried out 48 million tests in 10 months, and you think that they will be doing more than that per week?

Even if it was possible to test at that scale, long before you reach that level of testing you should be in a position to eliminate covid through isolating the active cases and stopping the spread... So rendering the idea of a pass to get out and do stuff pointless.

Never, I hope, but we could see the passes being issued from January on. They've been working on them for months. The curious thing is that they are denying that they have plans to introduce them, but it's likely they will introduce them.

I agree it'd be a waste of resources. I believe it's a dystopian and crazy idea, but I also believe that this has always been about controlling people. And they're beginning to step things up. The Great Reset is coming up, so expect to see more dystopian ideas emerge in the coming months.

skooterblue2

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So you think it is alright to tell elderly etc to go fcuk themselves as their lives are not important?

Don’t forget those people who don’t have underlying issues that are still very sick months after getting covid, or have died from it too.

When you are 80 plus have you have had a good life, your time is up. It could be a bad flu, a sharp fall, an infection or just your heart wall are paper thin and just give out. When my time will be up I will go too but not because of some sort of Government sponsored cull.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never asked him where he qualified from in homeopathy. I know where he qualified from acupuncture college.

Well if it took the GP 6 weeks to work out it was sarcoidosis, and the Homeopath had me back in school after a week in a half. Who do I trust?

That's more like saying that you trust a guy who hits a tv once and the reception comes back over the person who installs the dish or repairs a tv. You don't even seem to know what the placebo effect is...

Fighting Tao

skooterblue2 wrote: »

When you are 80 plus have you have had a good life, your time is up. It could be a bad flu, a sharp fall, an infection or just your heart wall are paper thin and just give out. When my time will be up I will go too but not because of some sort of Government sponsored cull.

You appear to lack empathy. Condemning the old and sick to death. If there was a government cull they would have been let die before covid. You just want to cull them for the craic as they have no value to you. Thankfully the government and vast majority are not like you.

Btw, any of those things could kill anyone of any age too.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

That's more like saying that you trust a guy who hits a tv once and the reception comes back over the person who installs the dish or repairs a tv. You don't even seem to know what the placebo effect is...

Well the doctor was tinkering with it for 6 months and hadnt a clue but the homeopath knew. How you explain the show over the left lung going ? I was up all night hocking up phlegm for a few months. Then the phlegm clears up in a week and back to school in three more days and putting on weight?

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well the doctor was tinkering with it for 6 months and hadnt a clue but the homeopath knew. How you explain the show over the left lung going ? I was up all night hocking up phlegm for a few months. Then the phlegm clears up in a week and back to school in three more days and putting on weight?

homeopathy relies entirely on the placebo effect. there is no scientific basis for any of it.

skooterblue2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

homeopathy relies entirely on the placebo effect. there is no scientific basis for any of it.

If it works for me? Why does it worry you?

Do you think people should be forced to accept the vaccine?

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well the doctor was tinkering with it for 6 months and hadnt a clue but the homeopath knew. How you explain the show over the left lung going ? I was up all night hocking up phlegm for a few months. Then the phlegm clears up in a week and back to school in three more days and putting on weight?

Correlation does not equal causation. This is basic stuff.

skooterblue2

runawaybishop wrote: »

Correlation does not equal causation. This is basic stuff.

Well it wasnt anything the doctor did I guarantee you that.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well it wasnt anything the doctor did I guarantee you that.

How do you know?

Did he prescribe anything to you?

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well it wasnt anything the doctor did I guarantee you that.

It wasn't anything the homeopath did, I can guarantee you that.

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

If it works for me? Why does it worry you?

Do you think people should be forced to accept the vaccine?

it doesn't worry me. What does worry me is somebody who claims to be studying science thinks it works.

skooterblue2

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

How do you know?

Did he prescribe anything to you?

Yep massive steroids that excited the gut. The cure was worse than the cause. That got dumped after a week. I checked with pharmacist and the steroids and antibiotics would have cost €70 a week. That would have been my life for 2 years.

The homeopath prescribed something else much much much much cheaper and it was gone in a week.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well the doctor was tinkering with it for 6 months and hadnt a clue but the homeopath knew. How you explain the show over the left lung going ? I was up all night hocking up phlegm for a few months. Then the phlegm clears up in a week and back to school in three more days and putting on weight?

The homeopath gave you a sugar tablet... I imagine some form of a placebo effect may have occurred or some other environmental factor changed. I'm not the most believing of your story though which you often seem to adapt to suit what you're arguing. If my gp isn't sure of something, they tend to refer me onto a specialist. And I've had a fair few. I've even had some things that required months of investigation, never occurred through my gp.

skooterblue2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it doesn't worry me. What does worry me is somebody who claims to be studying science thinks it works.

You should be more worried about the quality of doctors we are leaving into the country where our irish doctors are going and doctors who dont know the difference between an elbow and ankle!

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

The homeopath gave you a sugar tablet... I imagine some form of a placebo effect may have occurred or some other environmental factor changed. I'm not the most believing of your story though which you often seem to adapt to suit what you're arguing. If my gp isn't sure of something, they tend to refer me onto a specialist. And I've had a fair few. I've even had some things that required months of investigation, never occurred through my gp.

My GP isnt sure of anything. The GP prescribed something but it wasnt a sugar tablet, it was something else. He made no money on what he prescribed me. How about you save your self some money and time and get a proper homeopath/acupuncturist? I saw a specialist twice and I got a carry on as you were. The specialist couldnt explain why it went away. Guessing it was the placebo effect? right

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

My GP isnt sure of anything. The GP prescribed something but it wasnt a sugar tablet, it was something else. He made no money on what he prescribed me. How about you save your self some money and time and get a proper homeopath/acupuncturist? I saw a specialist twice and I got a carry on as you were. The specialist couldnt explain why it went away. Guessing it was the placebo effect? right

You lack a basic understanding on placebos, which can have surprising results.

skooterblue2

runawaybishop wrote: »

You lack a basic understanding on placebos, which can have surprising results.

I wish my GP had them because what he prescribed didn't do squat.

robinph

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Yep massive steroids that excited the gut. The cure was worse than the cause. That got dumped after a week. I checked with pharmacist and the steroids and antibiotics would have cost €70 a week. That would have been my life for 2 years.

The homeopath prescribed something else much much much much cheaper and it was gone in a week.

You've no idea what the unregistered and unregulated person claiming to be a medical professional gave you, and despite having lots of books on the topic have never thought to investigate it... But whatever they gave you you are convinced fixed you despite you knowing nothing about it.

They saw you coming a mile off. Have you checked what any of these other miracle cures the snake oil salesman has sold you since claim to be?

robinph

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I wish my GP had them because what he prescribed didn't do squat.

Do you know what a placebo is?

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

My GP isnt sure of anything. The GP prescribed something but it wasnt a sugar tablet, it was something else. He made no money on what he prescribed me. How about you save your self some money and time and get a proper homeopath/acupuncturist? I saw a specialist twice and I got a carry on as you were. The specialist couldnt explain why it went away. Guessing it was the placebo effect? right

I have a chronic illness, it wasn't "carry on" and you should probably not give random people you don't know on the internet advice. Particularly when you're pushing unscientific rubbish that could be dangerous for anyone with a serious illness..

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I wish my GP had them because what he prescribed didn't do squat.

It would be considered unethical to prescribe a placebo, thankfully. I feel like you're trying to wind people up at this stage.

Quiner

PadraigPenys wrote: »

Whatever your views on vaccines or the handling of the pandemic etc. it's clear to me that anyone availing of freedom passes or similar are akin to collaborators during the nazi regime. Your moral and political compass would have to be way off.

Absolutely. The mere idea of a society of freedom passes and health passports, with the green, orange and red lights, horrifys me. But that's the future we're facing, I fear. A number of health passports are being rolled out, England is set to introduce freedom passes, Ireland has mentioned vaccination passports etc.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

I have a chronic illness, it wasn't "carry on" and you should probably not give random people you don't know on the internet advice. Particularly when you're pushing unscientific rubbish that could be dangerous for anyone with a serious illness..



It would be considered unethical to prescribe a placebo, thankfully. I feel like you're trying to wind people up at this stage.

I never said "carry on as you were" that was the specialists advice and she couldnt find the shadow on the lung. No-one is saying it was cured but I amnt complaining anymore about it. I asked her where it went she couldnt answer.

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never said "carry on as you were" that was the specialists advice and she couldnt find the shadow on the lung. No-one is saying it was cured but I amnt complaining anymore about it. I asked her where it went she couldnt answer.

That doesn't mean the homeopath cured you, it means she didn't have an answer. It's great that you are healthy now but Christ do not rely on homeopathy if anything else happens to you. Seek proper medical advice.

skooterblue2

runawaybishop wrote: »

That doesn't mean the homeopath cured you, it means she didn't have an answer. It's great that you are healthy now but Christ do not rely on homeopathy if anything else happens to you. Seek proper medical advice.

Well I am looking forward to hearing an explanation from a qualified doctor on where a two inch shadow over my lung, I also saw the xray myself, it was there and it was there one year and gone by the next time I saw here. I never went back to see her again. I was convinced it was black mould that was causing it.

skooterblue2

robinph wrote: »

You've no idea what the unregistered and unregulated person claiming to be a medical professional gave you, and despite having lots of books on the topic have never thought to investigate it... But whatever they gave you you are convinced fixed you despite you knowing nothing about it.

They saw you coming a mile off. Have you checked what any of these other miracle cures the snake oil salesman has sold you since claim to be?

same day he he fixed my achy right knee with acupuncture. I have repeated the procedure myself with my own needles. ................ it worked.

how much do you think he charged me? I havent been back to see him with that same complaint since. As for the dopey GP I wonder how much kick back from the Pharma rep salesman?

€70*52*2 = 7280 ? and they made me sicker. plus would have bloated me out. Yeah the GP saw me coming alright. Now I just have him sign documents. Its a really sad case if you have no confidence in your GP.