The Vaccine

King Mob

NIMAN wrote: »

Unfortunately I can't, I haven't got the data, but it's out there somewhere.

Why not go find it then?
What's stopping you from pointing out the data?

I suspect that it doesn't actually exist and you are going to blame your inability to produce it on a big giant conspiracy.

NIMAN wrote: »

So do you think that every single person in the 1.7mill people were killed by covid?

No.
I'm sure there's errors.
What a silly question.

Trigger

Mod: we have, yet again veered widely off topic, let's park the discussion around which death counts as that has no bearing on the topic on hand which is, conspiracy theories surrounding the Vaccine itself.

Back on topic please

Timberrrrrrrr

Trigger wrote: »

Mod: we have, yet again veered widely off topic, let's park the discussion around which death counts as that has no bearing on the topic on hand which is, conspiracy theories surrounding the Vaccine itself.

Back on topic please

If only someone (anyone) would get around to explaining what the conspiracy is this would be a great thread




Apologies if I have overstepped the line replying on thread.

runawaybishop

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If only someone (anyone) would get around to explaining what the conspiracy is this would be a great thread




Apologies if I have overstepped the line replying on thread.

I think Bill gates created the virus but messed up as it doesn't actually kill anyone. Then he tricked everyone into thinking we need a vaccine, even though no-one dies From it, just With it (even though this is against the WHO advice every country is deliberately overestimating covid deaths, sure my brother's legs got chopped off and his heart exploded but they put covid on the death cert).

Now that we are all being needlessly vaccinated someone (info to follow very soon and it will be big, the bigliest) will time travel to the future and get some nano-machines, then come back and inject them into everyone. These machines will be undetectable, as you know nano means invisible. Then God is involved somehow in a bad way.

Basically, you don't need a vaccine and if you get one bad things will happen soon.

King Mob

The reason the number of covid deaths came up is because conspiracy theorists wish to avoid the reality of the safety of vaccines.

It's been shown that the dangers of any side effect from vaccines is thousands of times less likely than dying from covid.
And since they can't produce any evidence that the coivd vaccines are dangerous, and they can't argue that vaccines are more dangerous than they are, they have to cast doubt on the numbers of covid deaths and pretend it's less dangerous than it is.

So far, they've failed to do that as well.

Even still, if they were right, the deaths from covid would have to be exaggerated by several orders of magnitude for the dangers of vaccines to outweigh the dangers of vaccines.
So unless someone is going to argue that Covid hasn't killed anyone and the numbers are entirely fabricated...

The vaccine is by far more safe than catching covid.

robinph

King Mob wrote: »

The vaccine is by far more safe than catching covid.

The vaccine is safer than crossing the road on the way to be given the vaccine.

storker

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Died from COVID or died with COVID, these numbers pail into insignificance from people who have died because of lockdowns from COVID

Source?

Quiner

storker wrote: »

Source?

I don't wish to answer for Lex, but an additional 130 million people 'could be on the brink of starvation' by the end of this year as a result of the lockdowns: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-n-warns-hunger-pandemic-amid-threats-coronavirus-economic-downturn-n1189326

Of course the UN says it's because of the 'coronavirus outbreak and the subsequent economic ramifications', but the lockdowns are causing the economic ramifications.

For someone who asks so many questions you don't seem to have a very enquiring mind, kingmob..

Can you show us another effective vaccine for a corona virus?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For someone who asks so many questions you don't seem to have a very enquiring mind, kingmob..

Can you show us another effective vaccine for a corona virus?

There wasn't ever a huge need for one so you didn't get huge investment into developing ones. Do you think the entire scientific community are falsifying a vaccine?

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For someone who asks so many questions you don't seem to have a very enquiring mind, kingmob..

Can you show us another effective vaccine for a corona virus?

Here you go

https://news.sky.com/story/astrazeneca-boss-we-think-weve-figured-out-winning-formula-for-covid-vaccine-12173341

Lex Luthor

oh ya I forgot there were a few on here that dont think RFID tags cant be injected into people

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

The reason the number of covid deaths came up is because conspiracy theorists wish to avoid the reality of the safety of vaccines.

It's been shown that the dangers of any side effect from vaccines is thousands of times less likely than dying from covid.

The vaccine is by far more safe than catching covid.

Proof? otherwise this is just lies

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

oh ya I forgot there were a few on here that dont think RFID tags cant be injected into people

Since you're bringing this up again, rfid signals are detectable with off the shelf technologies. So found anyone detecting radio signals in a vaccinated person yet?

Lex Luthor

Deleted User wrote: »

Since you're bringing this up again, rfid signals are detectable with off the shelf technologies.

has the sentiment changed?

apparently it was a preposterous theory when I brought it up initially

King Mob

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you show us another effective vaccine for a corona virus?

Yes.
There are currently six either approved or about to be approved.

Can you show any dangers from these vaccines that is not already known?
Can you any reason beyond your personal opinion why these vaccines are more dangerous than previous ones?

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Proof? otherwise this is just lies

Lol. I love how you guys spend the last dozen or so pages avoiding the question I asked, but now you're demanding proof.

I've already provided you with the data for covid deaths and for the occurrence of severe side effects in previous vaccines.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program


Proof for your claims about RFID in the vaccines?

storker

Quiner wrote: »

I don't wish to answer for Lex, but an additional 130 million people 'could be on the brink of starvation' by the end of this year as a result of the lockdowns: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-n-warns-hunger-pandemic-amid-threats-coronavirus-economic-downturn-n1189326

Of course the UN says it's because of the 'coronavirus outbreak and the subsequent economic ramifications', but the lockdowns are causing the economic ramifications.

"Could be on the brink of starvation" is not the same as "have died".

Quiner

storker wrote: »

"Could be on the brink of starvation" is not the same as "have died".

Okay, but I would say it's likely they will die. Do you think millions will die because of the lockdowns and their catastrophic consequences?

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

has the sentiment changed?

apparently it was a preposterous theory when I brought it up initially

It most definitely was preposterous for many reasons and they were all explained to you... Did you ever even give an actual example of it being done?

storker

Quiner wrote: »

Okay, but I would say it's likely they will die. Do you think millions will die because of the lockdowns and their catastrophic consequences?

I'm happy to wait and see what happens while doing what can be done to avoid the worst effects, rather than make sensationalist predictions unsupported by evidence.

To recap, before this gets dragged off on a tangent (as per the tried and trusted tactics), it's been claimed that the number of deaths that have been (note: past tense) caused by the lockdowns are enough to make the deaths from COVID so far (that's 1.76 million) "pale into insignificance". So, we're looking for verifiable statistics for numbers of deaths caused by lockdowns that come to a total of...let's be generous and say 8 - 12 million.

So let's have it. An admission that the claim is nonsense is equally acceptable.

Quiner

storker wrote: »

I'm happy to wait and see what happens while doing what can be done to avoid the worst effects, rather than make sensationalist predictions unsupported by evidence.

To recap, before this gets dragged off on a tangent (as per the tried and trusted tactics), it's been claimed that the number of deaths that have been (note: past tense) caused by the lockdowns are enough to make the deaths from COVID so far (that's 1.76 million) "pale into insignificance". So, we're looking for verifiable statistics for numbers of deaths caused by lockdowns that come to a total of...let's be generous and say 8 - 12 million.

So let's have it. An admission that the claim is nonsense is equally acceptable.

I didn't claim that, but I fear millions will die as a consequence f lockdowns. But let's get back on topic. You're right.

King Mob

King Mob wrote: »

Yes.
There are currently six either approved or about to be approved.

So no then..
None in actual use, with long term studies into their use..

Lex Luthor

Deleted User wrote: »

It most definitely was preposterous for many reasons and they were all explained to you... Did you ever even give an actual example of it being done?

you obviously havent been paying attention to what I said before

I said many times that technology was available for this to be done
RFID
Darpa
however as my links have been deleted, I cant help you to check again

I can only put enough dots on the page, at some point you will have to start joining them

King Mob

Deleted User wrote: »

So no then..

No. There's six either approved or about to be approved. There's also many more in development.

Deleted User wrote: »

None in actual use,

No. Several of them are now starting to be used.

Deleted User wrote: »

with long term studies into their use..

But the studies have been done into their safety.

What long term effects are you concerned about?
What other vaccines have long term effects that only occur years down the line?

You also have ignored my other question.
Can you show any dangers from these vaccines that is not already known?
Can you any reason beyond your personal opinion why these vaccines are more dangerous than previous ones?

Why are you guys so scared of answering questions directly?

Dohnjoe

Quiner wrote: »

I didn't claim that, but I fear millions will die as a consequence f lockdowns.

And the 1.7 mm have died as a result of Covid..

The "concerns" of covid deniers, anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists in these threads seems a tad selective

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

you obviously havent been paying attention to what I said before

I said many times that technology was available for this to be done
RFID
Darpa
however as my links have been deleted, I cant help you to check again

I can only put enough dots on the page, at some point you will have to start joining them

Proof that there is RFID nanotechnology in the vaccine? Otherwise, this is a lie.

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

you obviously havent been paying attention to what I said before

I said many times that technology was available for this to be done
RFID
Darpa
however as my links have been deleted, I cant help you to check again

I can only put enough dots on the page, at some point you will have to start joining them

That's vague.... You've just said rfid and named a research organisation... This also isn't the first time you've blamed others for your failure to backup your claim.

King Mob

King Mob wrote: »

No. There's six either approved or about to be approved. There's also many more in development.


No. Several of them are now starting to be used.


But the studies have been done into their safety.

What long term effects are you concerned about?
What other vaccines have long term effects that only occur years down the line?

You also have ignored my other question.
Can you show any dangers from these vaccines that is not already known?
Can you any reason beyond your personal opinion why these vaccines are more dangerous than previous ones?

Why are you guys so scared of answering questions directly?

Unfortunately, medicine has had to conduct itself with an eye to the scientific method, not your "It'll be grand" approach..

storker

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And the 1.7 mm have died as a result of Covid..

The "concerns" of covid deniers, anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists in these threads seems a tad selective

It also conveniently ignores the number of knock-on deaths likely to be caused by allowing COVID-19 to do its thing without interference. If we're going to look at potential deaths, then potential deaths from all causes must be considered.

Lex Luthor

just in case you come back with more questions, here's a little snippet of info for you

https://twitter.com/TruthSp0sh/status/1340807139170914311?s=20

and for the people who are claiming we have a safe vaccine without actually showing the data or knowing as its only out a few weeks, here's some info for you
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/urgent-news-about-the-covid-19-vaccine_botqwzI8R7UUVY2.html

Also, when I hear the Vatican come out with a statement saying its morally acceptable to get the vaccine even though they use cell lines from aborted foetuses. Thats like a state examiner saying its ok for a student to cheat on his exams as it may be for the common good and some of the weaker students sometimes need to be saved

In my opinion, anyone taking that vaccine is taking part in the greatest medical experiment in history and when you are lined up in your cars in the car park of Citywest hotel or another big vax center with the windows down and sleeves rolled up like cattle, let m know how you feel

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

Proof that there is RFID nanotechnology in the vaccine? Otherwise, this is a lie.

just for you
https://twitter.com/TruthSp0sh/status/1340807139170914311?s=20

Lex Luthor

ànd what about all the doubters who didnt think there would be permanent tracking devices on humans when vaccinated?

you still think that?

Dohnjoe

Lex Luthor wrote: »

just for you
https://twitter.com/TruthSp0sh/status/1340807139170914311?s=20

This video is evidence of what exactly?

King Mob

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately, medicine has had to conduct itself with an eye to the scientific method, not your "It'll be grand" approach..

But the vaccines have all gone through trials.
The papers and data are there for you to read.

But again, you've ignored questions.
You're running away again.
Rather than chase you down for answers you're too dishonest to give:

You can't explain what long term effects you're concerned about.
You can't point to any examples of vaccines causing side effects that only appear years after being received.
You can't show any side effects beyond what's in the studies (that you haven't and won't read.)
You can't show any reason to believe the corona vaccines will be more dangerous than other vaccines. All you have is your own paranoia and ignorance.

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

just for you

No proof then. You were lying as usual.
Cool.

Dohnjoe

I am getting more and more sure that none of these posters who post that video are actually watching it..

King Mob

storker wrote: »

It also conveniently ignores the number of knock-on deaths likely to be caused by allowing COVID-19 to do its thing without interference. If we're going to look at potential deaths, then potential deaths from all causes must be considered.

It also ignores the other side effects of covid, that may or may not be long term.

Conspiracy theorists have been telling us that the vaccine can't possibly be safe because it's long term effects can't be known. At the same time they tell us that the long term effects of the virus are known.

Lex Luthor

PEG has been found to be the cause of these allergic reactions

All good though as apparently its in toothpaste & shampoo which are household products that we use every day so we are safe

And we are apparently the stupid ones here???

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

PEG has been found to be the cause of these allergic reactions

All good though as apparently its in toothpaste & shampoo which are household products that we use every day so we are safe

And we are apparently the stupid ones here???

What are you talking about?

You seem to be ranting and becoming more and more incoherent.

Dohnjoe

Lex Luthor wrote: »

PEG has been found to be the cause of these allergic reactions

All good though as apparently its in toothpaste & shampoo which are household products that we use every day so we are safe

And we are apparently the stupid ones here???

Did you watch that video you posted? what's going on in it?

storker

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I am getting more and more sure that none of these posters who post that video are actually watching it..

I've wasted too much of my life watching videos that were claimed by conspiracy theorists to prove such-and-such that invariably turned out to do nothing of the sort. I refuse to click on such links now. If there is evidence or a good argument contained therein, then let the poster at least type the gist of it.

My suspicion when I saw this one was that it's yet another indication that the poster can't tell the difference between evidence and innuendo. This is one of the reasons why setting the bar for what compromises evidence so low* isn't really working for the conspiracy pedlars.

(*Sometimes it seems low enough that an ant couldn't pass beneath without bumping its head...)

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

But the vaccines have all gone through trials.
The papers and data are there for you to read.

But again, you've ignored questions.
You're running away again.
Rather than chase you down for answers you're too dishonest to give:

You can't explain what long term effects you're concerned about.
You can't point to any examples of vaccines causing side effects that only appear years after being received.
You can't show any side effects beyond what's in the studies (that you haven't and won't read.)
You can't show any reason to believe the corona vaccines will be more dangerous than other vaccines. All you have is your own paranoia and ignorance.

if you're happy with 4 months testing, rock on..!!!
There are side effects already a few weeks in
Wait for jab #2
Even the rats and mice are reluctant to take it, they're waiting for the human trials to start first

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

if you're happy with 4 months testing, rock on..!!!
There are side effects already a few weeks in
Wait for jab #2
Even the rats and mice are reluctant to take it, they're waiting for the human trials to start first

More nonsense and ranting.
You seem upset that your claims are being challenged.

You don't have to believe bull**** you know. You don't have to get angry. You can just stop.

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

More nonsense and ranting.
You seem upset that your claims are being challenged.

You don't have to believe bull**** you know. You don't have to get angry. You can just stop.

you seem upset that you cant prove the vaccines are safe

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

you obviously havent been paying attention to what I said before

I said many times that technology was available for this to be done
RFID
Darpa
however as my links have been deleted, I cant help you to check again

I can only put enough dots on the page, at some point you will have to start joining them

Let's stay on topic. Do you believe that any of the vaccines that are being rolled out or will be rolled out with contain RFID tags/chips?
Bear in mind that the vaccine to be used in Ireland contains 5 doses per bottle.
You might want to check the size of the RFID tags. Even with nanotechnology they still need a material to protect them like any other chip so that increases their size.
The smallest example I have able to find is the size of a grain of rice but if you can find smaller please share it with us.

King Mob

storker wrote: »

I've wasted too much of my life watching videos that were claimed by conspiracy theorists to prove such-and-such that invariably turned out to do nothing of the sort. I refuse to click on such links now. If there is evidence or a good argument contained therein, then let the poster at least type the gist of it.

My system is that if it's from Twitter or a conspiracy site or whatever, then I don't bother.
If it's from a legitimate news source, you can usually find something in the article that contradicts and debunks the conspiracy claim. It's usually in the first few paragraphs too. Basically just get past the headline.

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

you seem upset that you cant prove the vaccines are safe

But the vaccines have been proven to be safe.
The studies have been done, peer reviewed and published. They're available for you to read yourself.

The thing is I can't prove it to you because you've decided to believe in this mad conspiracy theory with a religious fervour.
You are now upset that people aren't taking you seriously.

Again, you can just stop. No shame in just accepting your belief was wrong.

pwurple

Lex Luthor wrote: »

ànd what about all the doubters who didnt think there would be permanent tracking devices on humans when vaccinated?

you still think that?

Of course. I see the database designs with my own eyeballs so I know what's in there. And I have an iota of common sense to boot. It's nowhere near expensive enough.

I also don't have the arrogance to assume that my nondescript mundane existence is of any value. I'm a bog standard human being living with family in a tiny peripheral European city. Big whoop, nobody gives two hoots what I do unless they can sell me something. Consumer habits are already easily tracked by my phone, or internet activity.

The self-importance levels of the utterly unimportant seems to be an inverse relationship. What is it, a mental defence mechanism or something? " Someone, somewhere is super-duper interested in me!" Is the thought that might not be true too much to take?

Lex Luthor

if nobody on here thinks that in 10yrs that implantable chips under the skin wont be the norm to show vaccine status, they have their heads in the sand

the unremovable bracelets are just the start, when these wont work, then its the chips

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

But the vaccines have been proven to be safe.
The studies have been done, peer reviewed and published. They're available for you to read yourself.

The thing is I can't prove it to you because you've decided to believe in this mad conspiracy theory with a religious fervour.
You are now upset that people aren't taking you seriously.

Again, you can just stop. No shame in just accepting your belief was wrong.

you seem to waste a lot of time on comments posted by someone you think isnt being taken seriously