The Leinster Championship is dead.

Scoundrel

https://twitter.com/johnC_BL/status/1330526493538201602?s=09

This too will end,dublin football will go into demise

Kk dominated hurling to an unhealthy extent,but are now no longer gauranteed to win leinster each year,

dobman88

Scoundrel wrote: »

https://twitter.com/johnC_BL/status/1330526493538201602?s=09

https://twitter.com/johnC_BL/status/1330526493538201602?s=19

Scoundrel

Deleted User wrote: »

This too will end,dublin football will go into demise

Kk dominated hurling to an unhealthy extent,but are now no longer gauranteed to win leinster each year,

Kilkenny weren't funded to the hilt at the expense of all the other counties. There was no task force set up to fix it in favour of Kilkenny, Kilkenny aren't getting 17 million quid off the GAA when everyone else gets buttons it's all outlined in John's letter.

IMO the time has come for the other Leinster teams to step up and demand change and if they don't get it simply refuse to entertain this farce any longer.

It is not simply a question of talent Kildare regularly beat Dublin at underage level the difference is the Dublin players graduate to a multi million euro professional set up and the other don't until that inequality is addressed the GAA in Leinster is fcuked and I suggest soon enough in Ireland as a whole.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This too will end,dublin football will go into demise

Kk dominated hurling to an unhealthy extent,but are now no longer gauranteed to win leinster each year,

Kilkenny is a reasonably small county so it was always going to balance out. They also had two golden generations come one after the other which helped to lengthen it.

Dublin has the resources and population of a professional football team.

You can't expect a place thats nearly 3 times the population of the whole of Connacht to revert to mediocrity.

Sadly the Pro 14 has gone a similar way, Leinster is just too big with Dublin added and they're just steam rolling everyone else weekly.

Both of these models only worked for as long as they were mismanaged.
Once the direction and resources are maximised the economies of scale will explode.

Dyr

Kerry must have won 20 or so of the last 30 Munster finals, same as Dublin in Leinster. Won 8 of the last 10 Munster finals but Munster is grand while Leinster is dead

Not sure whats so different about Munster...oh wait I know


So much salt

Scoundrel

Bambi wrote: »

Kerry must have won 20 or so of the last 30 Munster finals, same as Dublin in Leinster. Won 8 of the last 10 Munster finals but Munster is grand while Leinster is dead

Not sure whats so different about Munster...oh wait I know


So much salt

Not comparable at all for obvious reasons read the letter for a start. From 1995 to 2005 6 different teams won leinster since then only 2 and Dublin have won 14 of the last 15. Ask yourself what has changed since then? The direct funding of Dublin at the expense of all the rest happened its directly linked obviously there are some dubs who are too stupid to see that but the majority know well the reason.

Do you actually enjoy watching the leinster championship can you seriously try and justify it ? Its getting worse not better at this rate it'll never change.

Bonniedog

Kildare had huge money from the horse business in 90s which they used exclusively for the management staff and senior footballers, to the extent of supporting them in setting up in business.

Maybe if Kildare had put a few bob into underage - as they are doing now - back then, things might be better?

I have family involved in hurling in Kildare by the way, and they could talk volumes about the disgraceful mmanner in which your county board has treated the game in the county, to the extent of making a mockery of a senior championship game to legitimise the "free" transfer - ahem - of another import.

And congrats to the Kildare hurlers by the way on their victory over Down. Footballers might get some lessons in how to grow a pair from them.

Scoundrel

Bonniedog wrote: »

Kildare had huge money from the horse business in 90s which they used exclusively for the management staff and senior footballers, to the extent of supporting them in setting up in business.

Maybe if Kildare had put a few bob into underage - as they are doing now - back then, things might be better?

I have family involved in hurling in Kildare by the way, and they could talk volumes about the disgraceful mmanner in which your county board has treated the game in the county, to the extent of making a mockery of a senior championship game to legitimise the "free" transfer - ahem - of another import.

Ah yeah it's all kildares fault ffs no one is denying that kildare have squandered money etc we've been beating Dublin regularly at underage the last 10 years it makes no difference why is that I wonder? Nothing to do with the multi million euro professional set up the Dublin players are going into?

The GAA has directly funded one county, the county with all the other advantages as it is by the way at the expense of all the others in any other sport it would be a scandal.

Dublin are 1/100 in an all Ireland semi final ffs its finished.

snowgal

Bambi wrote: »

Kerry must have won 20 or so of the last 30 Munster finals, same as Dublin in Leinster. Won 8 of the last 10 Munster finals but Munster is grand while Leinster is dead

Not sure whats so different about Munster...oh wait I know


So much salt

sorry but that is a load of bull.
Kerry are in a province of 6, Leinster is double that.
Munster is primarily Hurling teams with the odd flash of football coming through now and again, so Kerry have it much to themselves each year.(except 2020, go Tipp!)
In the last 10 years the Munster finals have been much tighter affairs (bar 2014 or 2018) than the drubbings in Leinster so the gulf in Munster is much less than Leinster.

techdiver

dobman88 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/johnC_BL/status/1330526493538201602?s=19

If his figures are accurate then there is no question.

Mayo GAA received approximately €22.30 per club registered player between 2010 and 2014 in coaching and development money. Tyrone received €21 and Kerry €19. Dublin GAA received €270.70 per club registered player between the same period.

I always hear the argument when I point out the level of funding Dublin gets as "shur look at the size of Dublin and the amount of players". But despite all that the amount of funding is off the charts in a disproportionate manner and needs to be addressed.

youcancallmeal

I'm a Dublin supporter and do admit the Leinster championship is not entertaining. It's great to see the incredible skill and desire Dublin players have even after so many years of success but deep down I'd rather see a hard fought win with tight margins rather than 20+ point victories. It's a complex problem to solve though. The key question is what needs to happen to allow teams in Leinster be competitive with Dublin without handicapping Dublin in some way?

Dyr

snowgal wrote: »

sorry but that is a load of bull.
Kerry are in a province of 6, Leinster is double that.

Munster is a province of two football teams

Leinster is a province of three

Both provinces have an occasional blip when a team outside of that number win a title, but thats it. Nobody was crying about that.

Nobody was crying when Kerry were walking through a Munster final straight in an All Ireland semi

If you want to break up the provincial system to make it all fair for all counties, go ahead, you want to break up the county system for the same reason go ahead at least that won't be fuelled by the usual anti dub whinging

youcancallmeal

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I'm a Dublin supporter and do admit the Leinster championship is not entertaining. It's great to see the incredible skill and desire Dublin players have even after so many years of success but deep down I'd rather see a hard fought win with tight margins rather than 20+ point victories. It's a complex problem to solve though. The key question is what needs to happen to allow teams in Leinster be competitive with Dublin without handicapping Dublin in some way?

You don't handicap Dublin, you remove one advantage they have that is not a natural advantage and you give it to their competitors. What advantage is that? Money.

Dublin can self-fund now more than any other county. So let them. (I am a Dub by the by).

The 2003 strategy put in place by Sean Kelly was designed to reinvigorate Gaelic Games in Dublin and to ward off challenges from the professionalisation of rugby and the continuing appeal of soccer. There were whole swathes of south Dublin where GAA was simply a non-starter.

In that regard the GAA have been spectacularly successful. Unfortunately the programme coincided with a decent Dublin team coming along naturally. This team was then supplemented by huge finances and an overhaul of underage talent meaning that the 2011 team (largely unaffected by the influx of money) was strengthened by 2011 minors who were more or less a direct product of the investment strategy. The 2011 minors gave Dublin Jack McCaffrey, Paul Mannion, Ciaran Kilkenny, John Small, Eric Lowndes, David Byrne, Niall Scully, Robbie McDaid, Emmet O'Conghaile and Conor McHugh. They filtered into a team with Paul Flynn, James McCarthy, Diarmuid Connolly, Bernard and Alan Brogan, Stephen Cluxton, Denis Bastick etc. The cumulative effect was dominance.

However, the GAA do have a model for bringing the sport to a good place in other counties. Just do what they did in Dublin on a scaled basis for the rest of the counties. It took around €17million to do it in Dublin because of the scale but the same results can be achieved for equivalently less money in smaller counties.

This isn't a theoretical question either. This has to be done. Otherwise saving gaelic games in Dublin will have had the perverse effect of killing Gaelic Football everywhere else.

spurshero

Cavan has a great win yesterday . To see the joy and emotion it brought is what the gaa is all about . They should now be dreaming of winning all Ireland . But we all know what’s ahead . The bookies have the handicap at 15 points v Dublin ! So in other words there getting a hammering Sunday week where’s the fun in that. I’m not blaming Dublin but the fun is gone out of it for most other county supporters who used to start of every year thinking maybe this is our year ...

Scoundrel

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't handicap Dublin, you remove one advantage they have that is not a natural advantage and you give it to their competitors. What advantage is that? Money.

Dublin can self-fund now more than any other county. So let them. (I am a Dub by the by).

The 2003 strategy put in place by Sean Kelly was designed to reinvigorate Gaelic Games in Dublin and to ward off challenges from the professionalisation of rugby and the continuing appeal of soccer. There were whole swathes of south Dublin where GAA was simply a non-starter.

In that regard the GAA have been spectacularly successful. Unfortunately the programme coincided with a decent Dublin team coming along naturally. This team was then supplemented by huge finances and an overhaul of underage talent meaning that the 2011 team (largely unaffected by the influx of money) was strengthened by 2011 minors who were more or less a direct product of the investment strategy. The 2011 minors gave Dublin Jack McCaffrey, Paul Mannion, Ciaran Kilkenny, John Small, Eric Lowndes, David Byrne, Niall Scully, Robbie McDaid, Emmet O'Conghaile and Conor McHugh. They filtered into a team with Paul Flynn, James McCarthy, Diarmuid Connolly, Bernard and Alan Brogan, Stephen Cluxton, Denis Bastick etc. The cumulative effect was dominance.

However, the GAA do have a model for bringing the sport to a good place in other counties. Just do what they did in Dublin on a scaled basis for the rest of the counties. It took around €17million to do it in Dublin because of the scale but the same results can be achieved for equivalently less money in smaller counties.

This isn't a theoretical question either. This has to be done. Otherwise saving gaelic games in Dublin will have had the perverse effect of killing Gaelic Football everywhere else.

It's great to see a Dub acknowledge this and not just bleat about anti dub agenda wah wah. The GAA is finished in the 11 other counties in Leinster if you were a good GAA player and a good rugby or soccer player from any of the other 11 counties what would you pick? You'd want to be a ****ing lunatic to pick GAA.

What is your reward for picking GAA?? you sacrifice everything family social life seeing your kids in the evenings for months, years on end and for what to be fed to a multi million euro professional outfit and destroyed and even more insultingly you'll be blamed for it!

Great to see an ex player stand up and say what needs to be said hopefully current players and managers will now do the same before it's too late.

jmayo

Bambi wrote: »

Kerry must have won 20 or so of the last 30 Munster finals, same as Dublin in Leinster. Won 8 of the last 10 Munster finals but Munster is grand while Leinster is dead

Not sure whats so different about Munster...oh wait I know


So much salt

Do you seriously not see a problem or is it you just don't care because it is your team that's benefitting ?

Leinster championship has been dead for years.

But for covid it would be evident in attendance figures.

Back around 2007, 2008 you were getting around 80,000 for Leinster final matches involving Dublin.
But it has dropped at low as under 40,000 and last year was 47,000 with the year before 41,000.

Dubs aren't interested anymore in Leinster as it is a cake walk.

Even when the great Kerry team of 70s/80s were dominating Munster they weren't handing out drubbings to the second best team in the province.
And saying they hammered Clare or Waterford doesn't count because they never were close anyway much like no one expects Carlow or Longford to come that close to Dublin anyway.

Scoundrel

jmayo wrote: »

Do you seriously not see a problem or is it you just don't care because it is your team that's benefitting ?

Leinster championship has been dead for years.

But for covid it would be evident in attendance figures.

Back around 2007, 2008 you were getting around 80,000 for Leinster final matches involving Dublin.
But it has dropped at low as under 40,000 and last year was 47,000 with the year before 41,000.

Dubs aren't interested anymore in Leinster as it is a cake walk.

Even when the great Kerry team of 70s/80s were dominating Munster they weren't handing out drubbings to the second best team in the province.
And saying they hammered Clare or Waterford doesn't count because they never were close anyway much like no one expects Carlow or Longford to come that close to Dublin anyway.

I was at the 2009 Leinster final 80k plus at it unreal atmosphere proper big game feel Dublin beat us by 3 but it was electric a contest from first minute to last that's gone now and will probably never return.

Dyr

jmayo wrote: »

Do you seriously not see a problem or is it you just don't care because it is your team that's benefitting ?

Leinster championship has been dead for years.

But for covid it would be evident in attendance figures.

Back around 2007, 2008 you were getting around 80,000 for Leinster final matches involving Dublin.
But it has dropped at low as under 40,000 and last year was 47,000 with the year before 41,000.

Dubs aren't interested anymore in Leinster as it is a cake walk.

Even when the great Kerry team of 70s/80s were dominating Munster they weren't handing out drubbings to the second best team in the province.
And saying they hammered Clare or Waterford doesn't count because they never were close anyway much like no one expects Carlow or Longford to come that close to Dublin anyway.

Dublin dominated Leinster long before the Gavin era, Dublin have more Leinster titles, than Meath, Offaly, Kildare and a few other Leinster teams put togther but lopsided Leinster is only a problem now, I wonder why? Because the greatest team to have played the game is this Dublin team and its stinging the hole off a generation who were reared in Meaths golden era and Dublins wilderness era, boo hoo lads.

Meath and Kildare wouldnt be setting Ulster or Connaught football alight either, they'd still be also rans but somehow its a Dublin problem that two of the horses in a three horse race have hobbled themselves

jmayo

jmayo wrote: »

Do you seriously not see a problem or is it you just don't care because it is your team that's benefitting ?

Leinster championship has been dead for years.

But for covid it would be evident in attendance figures.

Back around 2007, 2008 you were getting around 80,000 for Leinster final matches involving Dublin.
But it has dropped at low as under 40,000 and last year was 47,000 with the year before 41,000.

Dubs aren't interested anymore in Leinster as it is a cake walk.

Even when the great Kerry team of 70s/80s were dominating Munster they weren't handing out drubbings to the second best team in the province.
And saying they hammered Clare or Waterford doesn't count because they never were close anyway much like no one expects Carlow or Longford to come that close to Dublin anyway.

Waterford ran that kerry team close a few times in.the mid to late 70s,just a certain amount of inexperience showed in the end

Scoundrel

Bambi wrote: »

Dublin dominated Leinster long before the Gavin era, Dublin have more Leinster titles, than Meath, Offaly, Kildare and a few other Leinster teams put togther but lopsided Leinster is only a problem now, I wonder why? Because the greatest team to have played the game is this Dublin team and its stinging the hole off a generation who were reared in Meaths golden era and Dublins wilderness era, boo hoo lads.

Meath and Kildare wouldnt be setting Ulster or Connaught football alight either, they'd still be also rans but somehow its a Dublin problem that two of the horses in a three horse race have hobbled themselves

Yeah that's what it is alright it's just a coincidence that its coincided with the GAA funding Dublin at over 10 times the rate of the other counties.

You keep pretending it's a great achievement for your professional multi million euro team to hammer amateur team every year.

Even in the 70s the golden era of Dublin football they only won 6 leinsters never more than 6 in a decade previously its unprecedented and we all know why.

Hammer Archer

Bambi wrote: »

Munster is a province of two football teams

Leinster is a province of three

Both provinces have an occasional blip when a team outside of that number win a title, but thats it. Nobody was crying about that.

Nobody was crying when Kerry were walking through a Munster final straight in an All Ireland semi

If you want to break up the provincial system to make it all fair for all counties, go ahead, you want to break up the county system for the same reason go ahead at least that won't be fuelled by the usual anti dub whinging

Munster is a province where one team prioritises football over hurling.
Leinster is a province where at least 7 teams prioritise football over hurling (and that's not including Laois, Offaly and Carlow where I'd say it'd be close to 50/50).

Dublin fans seem to take this discussion very personally which I find strange. I haven't seen anyone who wasn't on the wind up blame Dublin for this. As was mentioned, the GAA ring fenced a huge amount of money in the early to mid 2000s to help give Dublin a boost due to the perceived threat of soccer and rugby in the capital. They did not foresee that Dublin would invest this money with surgical precision to give them the ability to do incredible work at underage and beyond to turn their senior footballers into the team they are today. This is a compliment to the people in Dublin GAA behind this.

However, now the GAA are left with what you see in Leinster football now. Dublin are the first football team to win 10 provincial titles in a row. The only other counties to win 10 in a row were Galway hurlers in Connacht and Antrim hurlers in Ulster. Unsurprisingly, those competitions have ceased to exist due to there being no competition. There is a chance of Leinster football going the same way.

Like it or not, the GAA do have to act. They actually cannot financially hobble Dublin even if they wanted to. Dublin are financially self sufficient at the moment, given the mountains of sponsorship coming their way. They don't need to go through the work of fundraising anywhere near the degree that other counties do because of this and their accounts attest to that. A similar project needs to be implemented like the one for Dublin in all Leinster counties (and I believe that something may have already started in the last couple of years in some counties). Unfortunately, because no other county was allowed to apply for funding like Dublin's for years, this has given Dublin a 10 - 15 year head start. Their dominance now is making it exceptionally difficult for other counties to keep talented younger players interested in committing to the senior football team when there's realistically going to be no reward.

Dyr

Because they werent the greatest team to play the game?

Dublin 59 Leinster titles, Royallers 21. Only a problem now, apparently.

Wonder why nobody cried like this when Kilkenny won 11 out of 15 All Irelands and 16 out of 18 Leinsters?

Because its wasn't football? Nah, because it wasnt Dublin.

Hammer Archer

Bambi wrote: »

Dublin dominated Leinster long before the Gavin era, Dublin have more Leinster titles, than Meath, Offaly, Kildare and a few other Leinster teams put togther but lopsided Leinster is only a problem now, I wonder why? Because the greatest team to have played the game is this Dublin team and its stinging the hole off a generation who were reared in Meaths golden era and Dublins wilderness era, boo hoo lads.

Meath and Kildare wouldnt be setting Ulster or Connaught football alight either, they'd still be also rans but somehow its a Dublin problem that two of the horses in a three horse race have hobbled themselves

2010 - 2019: Dublin 9, Meath 1.
2000 - 2009: Dublin 5, Meath 1, Kildare 1, Laois 1, Westmeath 1
1990 - 1999: Dublin 4, Meath 4, Kildare 1, Offaly 1
1980 - 1989: Dublin 4, Meath 3, Offaly 3
1970 - 1979: Dublin 6, Offaly 3, Meath 1
1960 - 1969: Dublin 3, Meath 3, Offaly 3, Longford 1
1950 - 1959: Dublin 3, Meath 3, Louth 3, Kildare 1

Dublin have never dominated Leinster like they have now so what you've said is provably false. The decade when they came closest to the current domination was from 1890 - 1899, and even then they "only" won 7 Leinster titles. As said in my previous post, they're the only football team to win 10 titles in a row. Even Kerry who Dublin fans always point to their dominance of Munster have never done that.

hammerdub

How come Dublin haven't won Leinster hurling over the last ten year with all the money.

Hammer Archer

hammerdub wrote: »

How come Dublin haven't won Leinster hurling over the last ten year with all the money.

They did. In 2013. First in over 60 years.

rpurfield

hammerdub wrote: »

How come Dublin haven't won Leinster hurling over the last ten year with all the money.

You may need to read this: https://www.the42.ie/live-dublin-galway-leinster-hurling-final-982402-Jul2013/

Dyr

Dublin fans seem to take this discussion very personally which I find strange. I haven't seen anyone who wasn't on the wind up blame Dublin for this

Not really, its just galling to see people ullagoning about the good of the game and the death of Leinster when they're really just raging that Dublin are handing out hidings to low quality teams in Leinster.

You can scrap the provincals in football, and I'd be fine with it, they're an anachronsim outside of Ulster and attendances are down across the board (don't tell Meath posters that, they love pointing to Leinster final attendances and keening for the death of the province)

Scrapping the provincals to keep Meath and Kildare away from big bad Dublin won't make them any better, but if your goal is that certain counties wont be hammered by the Jackeens every year then fire away. They will still be hammered by other top tier teams.

piplip87

I'd be more in favour of scrapping the league. Keep the provincials winners and finalists get seeded for an open draw championship. 8 groups of 4. Top 2 go on to compete for Sam bottom two go on for second tier.

It would mean winning your province even for the big boys retains importance. Play it out over a month in early April.

I'd also play the championship over 9 weeks starting in May. Let the clubs have from mid July onwards. The coverage of the club games on TV was excellent and the games where real quality.

Uncle Pierre

Just going to weigh in here myself to say that the post by Kayroo on the first page is by far the most intelligent and reasonable contribution on this topic that I've ever heard from a Dublin person. It's genuinely refreshing and even encouraging to see somebody there looking at the bigger picture instead of just whining about there being an "anti-Dub" bias in every other county.

The "rejuvenation in Dublin" project that started in the early 2000s was well-intentioned, but the results that we see today go far beyond anything that was ever envisaged. And while the huge sum of money poured into Dublin GAA is not the only reason for the current dominance, it's certainly a large part of it.

I think it's time for a serious review now of funding not only for the rest of Leinster, but for the rest of Ireland, to try help other counties achieve the same improvement in standards that Dublin has already achieved. The work's already been done there - it's now time to give everybody else a chance.

Scoundrel

Bambi wrote: »

Because they werent the greatest team to play the game?

Dublin 59 Leinster titles, Royallers 21. Only a problem now, apparently.

Wonder why nobody cried like this when Kilkenny won 11 out of 15 All Irelands and 16 out of 18 Leinsters?

Because its wasn't football? Nah, because it wasnt Dublin.

This nonsense has been answered repeatedly Kilkenny weren't funded massively by the GAA to achieve their success there wasnt a task force set up to rig it for kilkenny Dublin were funded by the GAA at the expense of all the rest to ensure their success.

Tell me how

Bambi wrote: »

Munster is a province of two football teams

Leinster is a province of three

Both provinces have an occasional blip when a team outside of that number win a title, but thats it. Nobody was crying about that.

Nobody was crying when Kerry were walking through a Munster final straight in an All Ireland semi

If you want to break up the provincial system to make it all fair for all counties, go ahead, you want to break up the county system for the same reason go ahead at least that won't be fuelled by the usual anti dub whinging

Because it hadn't been coordinated and funded by the people supposed to be administering the entire organisation.

Do you think it is right that Dublin should receive ten times the funding per registered club player that other counties receive?

dobman88

hammerdub wrote: »

How come Dublin haven't won Leinster hurling over the last ten year with all the money.

Ah jesus. At least get basic facts correct if you're going to start with the whataboutery

timmyntc

Bambi wrote: »

Because they werent the greatest team to play the game?

Dublin 59 Leinster titles, Royallers 21. Only a problem now, apparently.

Wonder why nobody cried like this when Kilkenny won 11 out of 15 All Irelands and 16 out of 18 Leinsters?

Because its wasn't football? Nah, because it wasnt Dublin.

Where have you been the last 20 years?

People absolutely were complaining about KK's dominance in All Irelands, and attendances and viewership was down around that time as a result. Thankfully it didn't last - but that's because KK is a small county - Dublin is the most populous & the most funded.

They aren't going away you know.

nine fine irishmen

Is "per registered club player" the new "net spend"?

Username Exists.

There was a review in 2016 and additional funding was made available to Eastern counties other than Dublin. It's the East Leinster project. The idea is to provide extra underage development coaches for non Dublin counties.

It's up to your own clubs and county boards to apply for these coaches and use the development funds being made available.
Are the counties other than Dublin making full use of the funding available to them?

castletownman

I've said it before in relation to other sports. Followers of a dominant team, a detrimentally dominant team in relation to the competition in this case, are obviously going to be blinded by their team's success. So they can't really be reasoned with when a debate like this surfaces.

Fair play to Kayroo for his unbiased opinions earlier in the thread. Certainly bucked the trend.

And I see the argument made that people weren't complaining when Kilkenny were dominating Leinster a decade ago. Well, speaking as a Wexford supporter, I remember all too well the despondency at the time. It was disheartening and the province was at an all-time low ebb. And to be fair, Kilkenny didn't ever win ten in a row in the province either (the most they managed was "only" seven), and to dominate a competition with less teams in it isn't as starkly worrying as Dublin's current hegemony of Leinster with more competing counties.

And during their run of seven Leinster's in a row, never once did Kilkenny win a final by more than 20 points. The nearest they came to eclipsing that target was in 2008 when they hammered Wexford by 5-21 to 0-17. They won three of their seven finals in that spell by a double-digit margin. In contrast, Dublin have only failed to achieve double-figure victories four times in their ten consecutive Leinster final triumphs, and three of those pre-date the current five-in-row team. And theoretically, it's meant to be easier to compile a bigger score in hurling.

blanch152

nine fine irishmen wrote: »

Is "per registered club player" the new "net spend"?

Yes, and when you look into the fine print, it is per registered adult club player

Doesn't include the juveniles where the money is supposed to go, or the adult mentors who are not registered to play.

Tell me how

nine fine irishmen wrote: »

Is "per registered club player" the new "net spend"?

It's a very relevant comparison as to how one county is treated versus all others.
Shines a very bright light on things.

A less clear, but equally relevant point is that a significant expenditure for most inter-county setups is associated with travelling and for obvious reasons, Dublin aren't affected in this way as much as many other counties are.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. When Cuala announced their sponsorship deal with Amgen, Croke Park was used as a back drop for the publicity shots included in which was the President of the GAA and a prominent RTE GAA personality. All that for a club team. Cuala are an impressive team with some exceptional talent but that sort of attention for a club team is something most counties could only dream about.

timmyntc

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, and when you look into the fine print, it is per registered adult club player

Doesn't include the juveniles where the money is supposed to go, or the adult mentors who are not registered to play.

Even if it was the case that Dublin GAA spent the same amount of money per adult club player - it still wouldn't fix the disparity in inter-county teams.

Dublin with a much larger playing population, even if they had the same amount of € per club player, they'll have more club players at a given standard than other smaller counties, and will still end up on top.


While they definitely shouldnt be getting more money per player than other counties, to suggest that it's some kind of silver bullet that will fix everything and we'll have lovely even championships where any team could win it - that's just fantasy.

Uncle Pierre

Username Exists. wrote: »

There was a review in 2016 and additional funding was made available to Eastern counties other than Dublin. It's the East Leinster project. The idea is to provide extra underage development coaches for non Dublin counties.

It's up to your own clubs and county boards to apply for these coaches and use the development funds being made available.
Are the counties other than Dublin making full use of the funding available to them?

I'd be hugely surprised if any County Board is leaving behind money that's available to be snapped up for coaching, development, or anything else.

The issue is the amounts of money that are available. Whether you look at them as overall "per county" figures, or break them down on "per club" basis, "per registered player" basis, or any other relevant metric, there's been far more put into Dublin than anywhere else.

A relevant point that I think is often overlooked is that the "Rejuvenate Dublin" scheme was launched in response to a perceived threat from soccer and rugby. It was NOT in response to low gaelic football standards in Dublin. At the time of its launch, it had only been eight years since Dublin had won an All-Ireland, and they were still winning roughly half of all Leinster Senior Football titles.

They were already the dominant force in Leinster, with no real warning signs that were about to lose that dominant position anytime soon. Yet the GAA hierarchy decided to pump in millions in development funding, for fear that some young lads might choose other sports instead.

hammerdub

hammerdub wrote: »

How come Dublin haven't won Leinster hurling over the last ten year with all the money.

Give them time. They are getting there.

Scoundrel

timmyntc wrote: »

Even if it was the case that Dublin GAA spent the same amount of money per adult club player - it still wouldn't fix the disparity in inter-county teams.

Dublin with a much larger playing population, even if they had the same amount of € per club player, they'll have more club players at a given standard than other smaller counties, and will still end up on top.


While they definitely shouldnt be getting more money per player than other counties, to suggest that it's some kind of silver bullet that will fix everything and we'll have lovely even championships where any team could win it - that's just fantasy.

It is fundamentally wrong that Dublin, the county with the pre existing advantages in terms of ability to fund itself and population are being given significantly more funding by the GAA authorities than anyone else. In any other sport it would be deemed fixing or corruption.

Nobody is claiming that equalising funding will fix everything it is merely a first step towards some fairness and some form of level playing field. All counties are asking for is a level playing field surely we are entitled to that?

Never understood the mentality of some sports people who would happily see their team flatten all before it year in year out due to a superior funding and training setup. Where's the fun in that? It's boring as hell. There has to be at least some pretence of competition.

Username Exists.

Tell me how wrote: »

Because it hadn't been coordinated and funded by the people supposed to be administering the entire organisation.

Do you think it is right that Dublin should receive ten times the funding per registered club player that other counties receive?

Any figures for that?

Username Exists.

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, and when you look into the fine print, it is per registered adult club player

Doesn't include the juveniles where the money is supposed to go, or the adult mentors who are not registered to play.

I'd be interested in a link to the 'fine print' for context.

corny

The Leinster Championship is dead and its not an easy an fix. Dublin are absolutely crushing the spirit of the teams they play against.

I'm not convinced money will change things much. The Dublin clubs are churning out talent and its self sustaining now. Participation is what sustains it, not money.

You could spend millions on Meath/Kildare children, investing in their football education and Dublin will still be in a position to beat them regularly. And regularly is a problem because disheartened opposition won't put their best foot and reach their potential. Meath were nice to Dublin on Saturday. Sat back, admired their skills like the rest of us. Didn't think it was worth putting in an effort. As i say thats not easily redressed.

RoyalCelt

Hammer Archer wrote: »

2010 - 2019: Dublin 9, Meath 1.
2000 - 2009: Dublin 5, Meath 1, Kildare 1, Laois 1, Westmeath 1
1990 - 1999: Dublin 4, Meath 4, Kildare 1, Offaly 1
1980 - 1989: Dublin 4, Meath 3, Offaly 3
1970 - 1979: Dublin 6, Offaly 3, Meath 1
1960 - 1969: Dublin 3, Meath 3, Offaly 3, Longford 1
1950 - 1959: Dublin 3, Meath 3, Louth 3, Kildare 1

Dublin have never dominated Leinster like they have now so what you've said is provably false. The decade when they came closest to the current domination was from 1890 - 1899, and even then they "only" won 7 Leinster titles. As said in my previous post, they're the only football team to win 10 titles in a row. Even Kerry who Dublin fans always point to their dominance of Munster have never done that.

The above stats are damning for cute hoors from Dublin pretending this isn't abnormal and downplaying their dominance. They must have kerry grannies!

And the thing is every year that goes by the winning streak gets bigger. It's 10 in a row now but this decade will end with dublin getting all 10 and going to 19 in a row. Which means 24 in 25 years. Yet we'll still have dubs telling others to get their house in order or act like the opposition just didn't show up. Or how we must fix this situation without handicapping dublin.

True gaels in Dublin would want what's best for the sport not just themselves.

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Never understood the mentality of some sports people who would happily see their team flatten all before it year in year out due to a superior funding and training setup. Where's the fun in that? It's boring as hell. There has to be at least some pretence of competition.

When you, as a sports fan, think back of fond memories, they are invariably close fought games or ones where you finally overcame your nemesis.

I'm from Munster but still have vivid memories of the Meath Dublin series from 1991 when Meath eventually prevailed with the odd point out of 121 scored across 4 games. To go from What Leinster was then to the mismatch it is now is simply the pendulum having swung much too far in one direction.

Stephen Cluxton is probably going to have fonder memories of some A vs B games within the Dublin the setup then he will have of most Leinster Championship games over the last 10 years.

Uncle Pierre

Username Exists. wrote: »

Any figures for that?

Here are some figures from the letter that give rise to this discussion in the first place:

Mayo GAA received approximately €22.30 per club registered player between 2010 and 2014 in coaching and games development money. Tyrone received €21 and Kerry €19. Dublin GAA received €270.70 per club-registered player during the same period. The figures for smaller counties within Leinster are not known to the writer.

BrianBoru00

Dublin is a perfect storm .
The county board has obviously got very good personnel - That's not to say they are better than Kilkennys or Carlows but they seem to be maximising potential.

a massive part of the problem is the Leinster Council.
Why don't they grow a pair and give counties home fixtures as Dublin have had for virtually all of their Championship matches. When they do go out of town its usually a neutral venue. Its a spineless and narrow minded practice from the Leinster council.

Why don't they try to change it up -Give Dublin a bye to the final and allow the other ten counties play off be it in round robin or knockout to get to the final and win for a chance to play Dublin. It will be more likely to produce and prepare a team to be competitive against Dublin and reduce the hammerings.

It's not Dublins fault.

Split Dublin if needs be but that should probably be Dublin's decision.
This split should have happened in conjunction with the funding if it was going to be a fair system and produce three power houses in the capital.
Personally I wouldn't like to see Dublin split but when I hear people saying "Oh Dublin just have great people in place to be able to secure massive sponsorship deals" it's a bit rich (pardon the pun) - This should be included as centralised funding and distributed fairly to counties who don't have the massive advantages