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Will you take an approved COVID-19 vaccine?

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    #482
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    The Belly wrote: »
    Thats close to the definition of totalitarianism.

    I see you havent used free society just society.

    I think you are wrong :rolleyes:


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    #483
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Caraibh wrote: »
    And it's frightening that large numbers of people are saying the same thing.

    Could you be more specific please. What large numbers of people saying what exactly?


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    #484
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would I take an approved Covid-19 vaccine? Without hesitation. I have significant faith with regard to the ingenuity of science and rigorous testing undertaken by clinical trials. Difficult to knock peer-reviewed research, validating the safety and efficacy of vaccines.


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    #485
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Could you be more specific please. What large numbers of people saying what exactly?


    he is saying that a large number of people are delighted that those who don't take the vaccine are ostracised from parts of society


    it's worrying , that people don't see the issue with that.
    are they that paralyzed with fear or brainwashed ??


    it's straight out of the Chinese social credit system.
    that's authoritarian, doesn't matter is private enterprise or the government who inflect it


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    #486
    aido79
    Registered Users Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Stop ignoring any and all illnesses that are not COVID-19. Stop the inhumane treatment of people in care homes by refusing to allow family members to visit and hug them. Show people the respect to tell them in person that they have cancer. It's awful to tell a person on ZOOM that they have terminal cancer. I cant even begin to imagine how terrible it must've been for those poor young women to be told should awful news over ZOOM. It's frightening how cruel so many people have become. I'm not saying you're cruel aido79. I'm talking about those in government and health workers.

    Should I assume you disagree with social distancing so that all of this can be achieved?
    The hugs that you are talking about giving the people in care homes may be the cause of them or the person in the next room covid19 and leads to their death. Would you be ok with this?
    In a perfect world there would be no covid19 and no cancer but unfortunately that isn't the world we live in and the perfect solution you are looking for just doesn't exist.


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    #487
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Would I take an approved Covid-19 vaccine? Without hesitation. I have significant faith with regard to the ingenuity of science and rigorous testing undertaken by clinical trials. Difficult to knock peer-reviewed research, validating the safety and efficacy of vaccines.


    you are a wonderful person, a credit to your whoever taught you to believe with such blind devotion.

    *edit stupid spelling.


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    #488
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    paw patrol wrote: »
    you are a wonderful person, a credit to your whoever thought to believe with such blind devotion.

    The ultimate compliment, from one beardy fellow to another. I'll frame it on my wall for posterity.


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    #489
    Caraibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Caraibh


    paw patrol wrote: »
    he is saying that a large number of people are delighted that those who don't take the vaccine are ostracised from parts of society


    it's worrying , that people don't see the issue with that.
    are they that paralyzed with fear or brainwashed ??


    it's straight out of the Chinese social credit system.
    that's authoritarian, doesn't matter is private enterprise or the government who inflect it

    Thanks. That's exactly what I mean. I believe that our ultimate fate is a Chinese-style social credit system.


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    #490
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    The Belly wrote: »
    Thats close to the definition of totalitarianism.

    I see you havent used free society just society.

    It doesn't matter what you call it. If you want to participate, you play by the rules of the society you want to participate in. It might be a totalitarian, it might be anarchy. Fundamental rule is the same.

    You might say we don't have free society anymore - fine. I think that as long as the majority of the society members decide, indirectly in the elections, how they want their society to look, it is a free society.


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    #491
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    paw patrol wrote: »
    he is saying that a large number of people are delighted that those who don't take the vaccine are ostracised from parts of society


    it's worrying , that people don't see the issue with that.
    are they that paralyzed with fear or brainwashed ??


    it's straight out of the Chinese social credit system.
    that's authoritarian, doesn't matter is private enterprise or the government who inflect it

    This sounds like a total overreaction to me.


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    #492
    plodder
    Registered Users Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭plodder


    paw patrol wrote: »
    he is saying that a large number of people are delighted that those who don't take the vaccine are ostracised from parts of society


    it's worrying , that people don't see the issue with that.
    are they that paralyzed with fear or brainwashed ??


    it's straight out of the Chinese social credit system.
    that's authoritarian, doesn't matter is private enterprise or the government who inflect it
    Seriously. We live in one of the most individualistic countries in the Western world. You can basically do what you want here, breaking laws and rules wholesale, that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else. Only, someone who has never lived in another country could think otherwise.

    I was in a supermarket last night and everyone there was wearing a mask except for one family. Two parents and a teenager. Nobody said boo to them. I thought about asking politely if the Dad had forgotten his mask, but thought better of it.

    I'm fairly sure nobody has been prosecuted for not wearing masks. People can break all the rules at protests and nobody stops them. So, to talk about totalitarianism because some freedoms might be restricted if people don't get a vaccine, is lacking all sense of perspective.

    Personally, I think there won't be any serious consequences for the free-riders who don't get vaccinated because there are enough people willing to do the right thing and when push comes to shove, restrictions (like mask-wearing etc) won't be enforced. Excuses like GDPR will be used to put the kybosh on sensible measures and people will still scream 'totalitarian' police state nonsense.


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    #493
    FlipperThePriest
    Subscribers Posts: 689 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    This free society stuff is nonsense. We pay tax into public services. We abide by laws and we have responsibilities to do the least amount of harm possible to each other to make society work... in this case that means taking a vaccine that is in the process of being approved by various independent bodies. A vaccine that didn't just pop up over night, it is the accumulation of generations of scientific research and thousands of hours of work by the highest qualified people in the land.

    If people lose privileges by refusing to take the vaccine that might put others at risk... good.

    Is there a very small risk? Yes. There is a far greater risk in not taking it. There is also a small risk every time you get behind the wheel of a car (probably also greater than taking a vaccine), but would you avoid transport for the rest of your days? Life is full of risks, suck it up.


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    #494
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    zippy84 wrote: »
    This free society stuff is nonsense. We pay tax into public services. We abide by laws and we have responsibilities to do the least amount of harm possible to each other to make society work... in this case that means taking a vaccine that is in the process of being approved by various independent bodies. A vaccine that didn't just pop up over night, it is the accumulation of generations of scientific research and thousands of hours of work by the highest qualified people in the land.

    If people lose privileges by refusing to take the vaccine that might put others at risk... good.

    Is there a very small risk? Yes. There is a far greater risk in not taking it. There is also a small risk every time you get behind the wheel of a car (probably also greater than taking a vaccine), but would you avoid transport for the rest of your days? Life is full of risks, suck it up.

    We could have said that back in March and just let Covid do its thing.

    There will be no penalties for not taking the vaccine... suck it up.


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    #495
    FlipperThePriest
    Subscribers Posts: 689 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    polesheep wrote: »
    We could have said that back in March and just let Covid do its thing.

    There will be no penalties for not taking the vaccine... suck it up.

    As I said, we have responsibilities to do the least amount of harm possible to each other... taking the kind of risk you are talking about in March, would be contrary to that, so I wouldn't have agreed there.


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    #496
    jacksonsarm
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭jacksonsarm


    B-D-P-- wrote: »
    Personally I dont feel the need being a healthy middle age male, buy my reason for not taking is because I am healthy and can fight off the virus. I think any vulnerable person saying no to it are easily lead.

    Id tend to agree about healthy people but what if your asymptomatic though? If enough people feel like this the vaccine might not be very effective.


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    #497
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    zippy84 wrote: »
    As I said, we have responsibilities to do the least amount of harm possible to each other... taking the kind of risk you are talking about in March, would be contrary to that, so I wouldn't have agreed there.

    It would have been a very wrong thing to do, as would forcing people by backhanded means to take a vaccine. The first didn't happen for good reasons and the second won't either.


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    #498
    jacksonsarm
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭jacksonsarm


    I think the wait and see option is a strange one. Not sure what people are waiting to find out. There will undoubtedly be groups seizing on all sorts of things as side effects which might mean the waiters would have a lot of social media type evidence to wade through.


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    #499
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    jacksonsarm wrote: »
    I think the wait and see option is a strange one. Not sure what people are waiting to find out. There will undoubtedly be groups seizing on all sorts of things as side effects which might mean the waiters would have a lot of social media type evidence to wade through.

    If there was only one option - you might be right. But there will be many of options and one will be able to choose one that is most favourable to them.


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    #500
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jacksonsarm wrote: »
    I think the wait and see option is a strange one. Not sure what people are waiting to find out. There will undoubtedly be groups seizing on all sorts of things as side effects which might mean the waiters would have a lot of social media type evidence to wade through.
    Some people will be in the queue, like Penneys, others will take time to process all the conflicting information before they decide. That it will be 3-6 months + for many people should persuade enough to get vaccinated.


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    #501
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    jacksonsarm wrote: »
    Id tend to agree about healthy people but what if your asymptomatic though? If enough people feel like this the vaccine might not be very effective.

    Once they (the healthy asymptomatic folks) have had covid that is just as good as getting the vaccine from a herd immunity point of view.


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    #502
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    Once they (the healthy asymptomatic folks) have had covid that is just as good as getting the vaccine from a herd immunity point of view.

    It’s actually not in the slightest - reinfection is possible and there is no such as thing as herd immunity without a vaccine.


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    #503
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I have a blood cancer which has given me a weakened immune system. At the moment I am in remission just over a year now but I do know it will come back. Pfizer has said anyone with a weakened immune system can't take their vaccine. I asked my specialist about this and I was told doctors have not been given any information and specifics on any COVID-19 vaccines and that I should go to the HSE live website.

    So it looks like I will be cocooning for the foreseeable future.


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    #504
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Parabellum9 wrote: »
    It’s actually not in the slightest - reinfection is possible and there is no such as thing as herd immunity without a vaccine.

    There have been over 1000 cases of reinfection.


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    #505
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,708 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Absolutely 100% I realise my responsibility in society.

    The vaccine hesitants are the ones who'd easily be swayed by something they see on Facebook or hear on a bar stool.

    They're the ones who’d rather wait and see what happens when the brave, those that lead by example and the educated have the jab.


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    #506
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    There have been over 1000 cases of reinfection.

    Yea which is why I said having had covid means nothing in terms of immunity against it


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    #507
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    There have been over 1000 cases of reinfection.

    The amount of reinfections is inline with the amount of reinfections you see with chickenpox and that number is fine for herd immunity.


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    #508
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    facebook is the single biggest spreader of anti vac stuff right now and something should be done about it.


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    #509
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    froog wrote: »
    facebook is the single biggest spreader of anti vac stuff right now and something should be done about it.

    Na leave them off, they can enjoy their perpetual lockdowns and restricted travel :)


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    #510
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Is there any sense of how long it will take to have vaccinations up to a level that workplaces will reopen? I know they will be prioritising certain cohorts. Our work just keeps saying we are WFH "for the foreseeable".

    To answer OP yes I would take a vaccine.


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    #511
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Is there any sense of how long it will take to have vaccinations up to a level that workplaces will reopen? I know they will be prioritising certain cohorts. Our work just keeps saying we are WFH "for the foreseeable".

    To answer OP yes I would take a vaccine.

    I’d imagine most office would take a careful approach especially if WFH isn’t causing any problems - maybe proof of vaccination before you are allowed to return. I can’t wait for a return to 2 or 3 days in the office (something I never thought I would say) but I don’t think I would ever go back to 5 given the option, WFH is viable and needs to be factored in to future workplace planning. Monday and Friday at home would be a lovely setup.


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