Will you take an approved COVID-19 vaccine?

cgc5483

Doc07 wrote: »

Google the data, loads has been put in public domain and is easy to find, the trials are in journals and for Covid studies most journals have been made free to access . Also the FDA published lots of the nitty gritty if you are keen to review the data yourself.

If you want to wait for 2 or more years safety follow up that is your right as an individual. However, is it correct to hold up approval and availability to whole populations once efficacy is demonstrated and the safety follow up time covers the period when the vast, vast majority of side effects become known ie within 6 weeks. Of course rare and unexpected side effects may happen when it’s given to millions and that’s why very close follow up and detection is needed and is already planned ,will be implemented and if anything changes in the future the information will be updated. Information on follow up safety plans as well as the known side effects will be published on approval for your perusal

Exactly. The FDA document includes all the safety data collected during the clinical trial which is a far better source than someone talking on a CNBC youtube channel making wild claims without a reference to back up the same.

Aoife_croke

Aoife_croke wrote: »

I’m not sure if I’ll take the vaccine or not as I am worried about the side effects I feel as though there is a lot of pressure for the vaccine to be taken in order for the worlds to go back to somewhat normal back I’m not sure if the vaccine will solve the problem immediately. I know a lot of funding went into the research and I don’t doubt that but I’m scared I’ll take it and have health issues in the future

Paul reid was on prime time using terms like vendors for the phara companies which doesnt make them sound humane, more like bank institutions. Also you have to register to get it, wtf..why cant they just leave it to doctors who are also abit annoyed at being left on the sidelines..its like a load of pizza boxed vials with armed guards rocking into town like a sci fi movie.. reid said he will be watching which vaccines will be working in which populations..its all very strange to me leaving him in charge considering the shambles mafe of the tracing..theyll leave the bloody vials at ambient temperature for weeks because they didnt pay the refrigeration company

I see Michael martin telling tv3 on the tonite show that theyll be targeting young people using influencers...ffs...vogue williams and the likes advising people on health matters...like that clown a while back who recommended use of baby oil and condoms to make safe sex fun...ignoring the fact that oil and condoms dont get on well...shocking smack of down with the kids desperation.

Icantthinkof1

Aoife_croke wrote: »

I’m not sure if I’ll take the vaccine or not as I am worried about the side effects I feel as though there is a lot of pressure for the vaccine to be taken in order for the worlds to go back to somewhat normal back I’m not sure if the vaccine will solve the problem immediately. I know a lot of funding went into the research and I don’t doubt that but I’m scared I’ll take it and have health issues in the future

I think many feel the way you do
I am young (enough) with 2 lung conditions that put me in the high risk category, I also work in a high risk setting and will happily take this vaccine, the sooner the better.
That being said though if I did not have my medical conditions honestly I think I would be happy to hang back and wait for others to get the vaccine which is kind of what the proposed vaccine schedule is reflecting

GreeBo

allaboutt wrote: »

If it is safe show us the data why it is safe after 1 year, 2 years etc.

They have come to a conclusion it is safe with only a few months of data.
Show us the data
I do expect it to come out in the next few months the why.

I think you are confusing other drugs/vaccines having 2+ years of data because they were somehow more diligent with the fact that they were stuck behind two+ years of bureaucracy and lack of funding.

2 years of data can't come out in the next few months... So not sure what you are looking for here?

el diablo

allaboutt wrote: »

nearly 3 months for me and still short of breath but started to clear now in the last week or two.. cough clearing as well..no steriods though..its defn real and not nice so sorry to disapoint those who say it aint ..

Are you sure it wasn't just influenza? The so-called Covid 19 virus still hasn't been isolated.

plodder

allaboutt wrote: »

Thank you great information in there!

The one thing i was looking for, its there and its pretty much useless. nop bloody timelines in the figure

Figure 2: Indicative timelines for COVID-19 vaccines compared with standard vaccines

Again to someone who asks no questions it looks brillant, all it does it shows Covid 19 Vaccine was shorter to approval than traditonal Vaccines but wihtout timelines it means nothing. Boing by the graph Covid 19 took 1/2 (1 year Approx) the time of Traditional Vaccines (2years) but we know that Vaccines have taken in the past longer than 2 years.


I guess i am still looking

What are you looking for exactly? Long term data won't be available until the long term, ie in the future. That has been explained several times.

It's great to be asking questions, but there aren't always simple answers. Just because there is no long term safety data does not automatically mean we should be suspicious about possible long term effects.

I'm not an expert, but the only vaccine I'm aware of in recent years that had rare long term effects was Pandemrix (which caused an additional 0.005% risk of Narcolepsy). But, that is a different type of vaccine that won't be used in this country, maybe because of that experience. I personally can't understand why anyone would think what we are going through at the moment is preferable to taking a tiny risk with a vaccine.

plodder

rusty cole wrote: »

I see Michael martin telling tv3 on the tonite show that theyll be targeting young people using influencers...ffs...vogue williams and the likes advising people on health matters...like that clown a while back who recommended use of baby oil and condoms to make safe sex fun...ignoring the fact that oil and condoms dont get on well...shocking smack of down with the kids desperation.

:eek: not sure that is a great idea either. Whatever about selling beauty products and the like, it could be counter productive to see that kind of channel being used by the gubbermint.

schmoo2k

el diablo wrote: »

Are you sure it wasn't just influenza? The so-called Covid 19 virus still hasn't been isolated.

The entire genome for Covid has been decoded you can't get more isolated than that?

brisan

Tomtom3105 wrote: »

Is there a chicken pox vaccine?

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/child-health/chickenpox-in-babies-and-children/chickenpox-vaccine.html#:~:text=The%20chickenpox%20vaccine%20is%20not,at%20least%204%20weeks%20apart.

brisan

allaboutt wrote: »

I agree about the time and thats the million Dollar Question.
What are the Side affects after 1 months - We know
What are the Side affects after 2 months - we know
What are the side affects after 12 months - ???
What are the Side affects after 24 months -

What are the side affects after 3 year/5 years.
In the past we found out by the elapsing of time and follow ups.


Why is it different this time? What data / statistical analysis are they using to back up that this Vaccine is safe after certain time periods have elapsed.
What have they used before to determine that it is safe.

It is the Manfacturers/Governments Job to prove this Vaccine is safe not ours.

In fairness it is early days yet..

You do know the after effects of getting Covid ?
One of them is death ,and that has occurred within days in some patients

brisan

rusty cole wrote: »

well that would make you wonder about the decades of research, fund raisers, pink ribbons, Elton john songs etc , absolute billions gone into a cure and not so much as anything close with HIV..

I know this is a corona virus and not the same but from a time standpoint etc, I don't really think it's a runner for me. I don't agree with the likes pf Donnelly calling different points of view Misinformation whilst he refuses to even share data at this stage, or where the data comes from.

I'll wait in the long grass I suppose and see what happens

If HIV mainly effected Heterosexual males who earned over 100k a year I can guarantee you a cure would have been found
If you throw enough money at it ,it can be done ,as proved with this vaccine

ShaShaBear

My only hesitation in taking the vaccine at present is that I am currently breastfeeding a 10 week old baby, and there seems to be very conflicting advice on what may or may not pass through breastmilk. I don't think I'd be willing to cease nursing to receive the vaccine, so I'll reserve judgement until they start rolling it out here and I can ask questions.

is_that_so

ShaShaBear wrote: »

My only hesitation in taking the vaccine at present is that I am currently breastfeeding a 10 week old baby, and there seems to be very conflicting advice on what may or may not pass through breastmilk. I don't think I'd be willing to cease nursing to receive the vaccine, so I'll reserve judgement until they start rolling it out here and I can ask questions.

As you sound perfectly healthy you're likely to be in about Group 14 so it will be at least the summer before you need to worry about any of this. In the meantime millions will have been vaccinated and guidelines updated accordingly.

brisan

rusty cole wrote: »

Would this mean the tens of thousands who are on the news as positive also dont need a vaccine??. They are as exposed and immune now as those who aim to get it. Seems strange we are hearing of doctors being recruited and huge surveys to convince and sell the vaccine..if its so safe why the hard sell..also if the disease is so indiscriminate and horribly dangerous arnt the state ignoring all the under 16 year olds safety to the point of negligance..such a deadly virus and all..

The first bit in bold
Have you been living in Ireland for the last 9 months
You do realize the economy has ben closed down for long periods, thousands unemployed .over 2000 dead.
Herd immunity is needed to get us back to normality
The medical experts Degrees from , Trinity etc have to argue the case with those who got their medical degrees from Facebook ,Instagram and dare I say it Boards.ie
Hence the hard sell
On your second point in bold
Under 16s are relatively untouched by the effects of covid and since under 16s were not included in the trial there i no safety data on them therefore they are not being vaccinated
You knew all this though ,just conveniently forgot it for some reason

brisan

Aoife_croke wrote: »

I’m not sure if I’ll take the vaccine or not as I am worried about the side effects I feel as though there is a lot of pressure for the vaccine to be taken in order for the worlds to go back to somewhat normal back I’m not sure if the vaccine will solve the problem immediately. I know a lot of funding went into the research and I don’t doubt that but I’m scared I’ll take it and have health issues in the future[/QUOTE]

And you are not scared that you will catch covid and have health issues in the future ?
Your chances of catching covid will increase when the economy opens up
Can you explain your logic please ?

brisan

el diablo wrote: »

Are you sure it wasn't just influenza? The so-called Covid 19 virus still hasn't been isolated.

I think the test can tell the difference

el diablo

el diablo wrote: »

Are you sure it wasn't just influenza? The so-called Covid 19 virus still hasn't been isolated.

Am, give yourself a slap on the back of the head

BryanMartin21

brisan wrote: »

The first bit in bold
Have you been living in Ireland for the last 9 months
You do realize the economy has ben closed down for long periods, thousands unemployed .over 2000 dead.
Herd immunity is needed to get us back to normality
The medical experts Degrees from , Trinity etc have to argue the case with those who got their medical degrees from Facebook ,Instagram and dare I say it Boards.ie
Hence the hard sell
On your second point in bold
Under 16s are relatively untouched by the effects of covid and since under 16s were not included in the trial there i no safety data on them therefore they are not being vaccinated
You knew all this though ,just conveniently forgot it for some reason

Context for those trusted with deciding to implement restrictions is what is needed to get us back to normal, to remove the OTT restrictions to this non-harmful virus to the vast majority of people.

If you think that people are so terrified of the virus then why would we even need restrictions? It is the hysterical bubble which is stopping us getting back to normal.

brisan

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

Context for those trusted with deciding to implement restrictions is what is needed to get us back to normal, to remove the OTT restrictions to this non-harmful virus to the vast majority of people.

If you think that people are so terrified of the virus then why would we even need restrictions? It is the hysterical bubble which is stopping us getting back to normal.[/QUOTE]

Its the fear of thousands of our elderly and vulnerable citizens dying from covid that is stopping us getting back to normal

is_that_so

brisan wrote: »

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

Context for those trusted with deciding to implement restrictions is what is needed to get us back to normal, to remove the OTT restrictions to this non-harmful virus to the vast majority of people.

If you think that people are so terrified of the virus then why would we even need restrictions? It is the hysterical bubble which is stopping us getting back to normal.

Its the fear of thousands of our elderly and vulnerable citizens dying from covid that is stopping us getting back to normal

Don't make the end quote bracket bold as it breaks it and does this weird stuff.

John O.Groats

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

Context for those trusted with deciding to implement restrictions is what is needed to get us back to normal, to remove the OTT restrictions to this non-harmful virus to the vast majority of people.

If you think that people are so terrified of the virus then why would we even need restrictions? It is the hysterical bubble which is stopping us getting back to normal.

Whatl a load of bull****e. Open your eyes pal and look at what is happening elsewhere in Europe with several countries implementing strict measures including during the peak Christmas /New Year period. By comparison Ireland has actually one of the least restrictive level of measures in place at present.

brisan

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

Context for those trusted with deciding to implement restrictions is what is needed to get us back to normal, to remove the OTT restrictions to this non-harmful virus to the vast majority of people.

If you think that people are so terrified of the virus then why would we even need restrictions? It is the hysterical bubble which is stopping us getting back to normal.

So the vast majority of people should throw the vulnerable minority to the wolves and let them suffer their fate
Not a realistic scenario for a modern developed society

seamus

The Belly wrote: »

It does raise a few questions.

It doesn't.

Very common for women to be advised to avoid becoming pregnant while receiving a treatment, and in some cases for a period afterward.

The only question it raises is "why", and the answer is, "because the effect of <insert treatment here> has not been tested on pregnant women, therefore the most pragmatic approach is to avoid pregnancy temporarily".

el diablo

Deleted User wrote: »

Am, give yourself a slap on the back of the head

Ok kid, can you send me a link which shows that this strain of virus has been isolated.

hmmm

el diablo wrote: »

Ok kid, can you send me a link which shows that this strain of virus has been isolated.

Covid is not a virus it's a disease. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus which can lead to Covid.

BryanMartin21

brisan wrote: »

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

Context for those trusted with deciding to implement restrictions is what is needed to get us back to normal, to remove the OTT restrictions to this non-harmful virus to the vast majority of people.

If you think that people are so terrified of the virus then why would we even need restrictions? It is the hysterical bubble which is stopping us getting back to normal.

Its the fear of thousands of our elderly and vulnerable citizens dying from covid that is stopping us getting back to normal

Oh Christ, this is the hyseria I am talking about. Pull yourself together FFS, maybe read the data and not the news articles?

BryanMartin21

John O.Groats wrote: »

Whatl a load of bull****e. Open your eyes pal and look at what is happening elsewhere in Europe with several countries implementing strict measures including during the peak Christmas /New Year period. By comparison Ireland has actually one of the least restrictive level of measures in place at present.

You have travelled to all these countries have you?

I have only been to Germany in the last 9 months other than Ireland so won't try to comment on other EU countries. But I can comment on Ireland and we do live in an extremely restrictive society so imposed due to the reaction to covid and not covid itself.

Quazzie

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

You have travelled to all these countries have you?

I have only been to Germany in the last 9 months other than Ireland so won't try to comment on other EU countries. But I can comment on Ireland and we do live in an extremely restrictive society so imposed due to the reaction to covid and not covid itself.

So because you holidayed in Germany you feel you know it all about the country now and how they are currently handling the crisis in comparison to Ireland :rolleyes:

allaboutt

Doc07 wrote: »

Google the data, loads has been put in public domain and is easy to find, the trials are in journals and for Covid studies most journals have been made free to access . Also the FDA published lots of the nitty gritty if you are keen to review the data yourself.

If you want to wait for 2 or more years safety follow up that is your right as an individual. However, is it correct to hold up approval and availability to whole populations once efficacy is demonstrated and the safety follow up time covers the period when the vast, vast majority of side effects become known ie within 6 weeks. Of course rare and unexpected side effects may happen when it’s given to millions and that’s why very close follow up and detection is needed and is already planned ,will be implemented and if anything changes in the future the information will be updated. Information on follow up safety plans as well as the known side effects will be published on approval for your perusal

I have gone through a lot of it and from what i found it is in the vast majority of cases safe for the vast majority and for the length of time of the studies. Not really debating that...Short term I think it is very safe for the vst majority of people.
My concern lies in longer time frames and whether it causes other longer term issues with the immune system and diseases. This part I cannot confirm with data if this is the case..I expect this will come out after christmas when the debate gets serious.

You make perfect sense in fairness about holding approval and asking the simple quesiton there.