Will you take an approved COVID-19 vaccine?

schmoo2k

Quazzie wrote: »

Why? They are still able to get COVID again

The odds of getting it again are less than getting Chicken Pox twice and we don't vaccinate them against that?

plodder

schmoo2k wrote: »

The odds of getting it again are less than getting Chicken Pox twice and we don't vaccinate them against that?

I had it and will definitely get vaccinated despite it being mild enough for me. I don't think it is correct to say it is less likely than getting chicken pox a second time. The other coronaviruses can be caught multiple times. We don't know yet how likely this one is.

I took the first dose of the Sinopharm vaccine in the UAE a week ago. The second shot is due 21 days after the first dose.

I experienced no side effects and, a few days after I receive the second dose, I plan on doing an antibody blood test.

schmoo2k

plodder wrote: »

I had it and will definitely get vaccinated despite it being mild enough for me. I don't think it is correct to say it is less likely than getting chicken pox a second time. The other coronaviruses can be caught multiple times. We don't know yet how likely this one is.

Based on current numbers it is true... While it may change in the future if Covid ends up mutating like the Flu - today it doesn't and today the reinfection rate is smaller than Chicken Pox.

Having said that I have no issues with folks like yourself getting the vaccine, especially for the folks who are convinced they had it, but never took a test...

zerosugarbuzz

I’ll only consider taking it if it becomes mandatory for travel. If it does the world is on a slippery slope indeed.

Banana Republic 1

schmoo2k wrote: »

The odds of getting it again are less than getting Chicken Pox twice and we don't vaccinate them against that?

There is a chicken pox vaccine.

schmoo2k

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

There is a chicken pox vaccine.

I know and we don't vaccinate folks who have had chicken pox (is my point).

Covit

We started vaccinating cattle 15 years ago for various things at one stage we were at 5/6 some twice a year . We are now down to 2 and even there against my will.
From my experience u need to let it settle down and let animals get it and recover .
They build there own immunity. However there is one or 2 we have been unable to avoid using mainly related to pneumonia type diseases which is probably not million miles away from covid 19

plodder

schmoo2k wrote: »

Based on current numbers it is true... While it may change in the future if Covid ends up mutating like the Flu - today it doesn't and today the reinfection rate is smaller than Chicken Pox.

Some people have caught it a second time. Therefore it is possible, and probably only a matter of time. Though it might or might not be as bad the second time. The fact that very few people have got it a second time so far is a very weak reason for not getting vaccinated imo.

one armed dwarf

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

I’ll only consider taking it if it becomes mandatory for travel. If it does the world is on a slippery slope indeed.

Well the world must already have taken that slide years ago then, as I have a certificate for my yellow fever vaccine that they wouldn't let me into Rwanda without.

schmoo2k

plodder wrote: »

Some people have caught it a second time. Therefore it is possible, and probably only a matter of time. Though it might or might not be as bad the second time. The fact that very few people have got it a second time so far is a very weak reason for not getting vaccinated imo.

Yes it is possible - but in the same way it is possible to get Chicken Pox twice (and that can be very serious for adult males) and we consider Chicken Pox as a once in a lifetime thing. Again that might change, but today its true...

FWIW I am not arguing for folks to not get vaccinated, but there could be an argument about prioritising folks while stocks are short...

plodder

schmoo2k wrote: »

Yes it is possible - but in the same way it is possible to get Chicken Pox twice (and that can be very serious for adult males)

Are you thinking of Mumps? I don't think Chicken Pox/Shingles is particularly worse for adult males. Mumps is covered by the MMR vaccine.

and we consider Chicken Pox as a once in a lifetime thing. Again that might change, but today its true...

FWIW I am not arguing for folks to not get vaccinated, but there could be an argument about prioritising folks while stocks are short...

plodder

plodder wrote: »

Are you thinking of Mumps? I don't think Chicken Pox/Shingles is particularly worse for adult males. Mumps is covered by the MMR vaccine.

It is. Chicken pox tends to be much more severe in adults with an increased risk of complications like pneumonia and encephalitis.

PhantomHat

As the lockdowns continue to increase in severity I wonder are people becoming more enthusiastic about the vaccines? Certainly we all want to go back to normal ASAP. The rollout appears to be slow however.

Pataman

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Well the world must already have taken that slide years ago then, as I have a certificate for my yellow fever vaccine that they wouldn't let me into Rwanda without.

But Bill Gates cant control you with that one, he forgot to drop the silicon chips into the mix!:)

emy

PhantomHat wrote: »

As the lockdowns continue to increase in severity I wonder are people becoming more enthusiastic about the vaccines? Certainly we all want to go back to normal ASAP. The rollout appears to be slow however.

You got the point, so, you are aware that the number is inflated by government, to infiltrate fear among those who oppose vaccination. It is a fake number. Over 5000 infected daily, I expect the ambulance picking up infected people from their homes, but no, it is a calm situation, quiet and people behaving normal, emergency hospitals are empty, at least one i saw, only media does , bla, bla, bla....

If I am told to be vaccinated, I will donate it to the most vulnerable, I will sacrifice my life for them. That makes me a true patriot.

misschoo

Yes getting it tomorrow

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

emy wrote: »

You got the point, so, you are aware that the number is inflated by government, to infiltrate fear among those who oppose vaccination. It is a fake number. Over 5000 infected daily, I expect the ambulance picking up infected people from their homes, but no, it is a calm situation, quiet and people behaving normal, emergency hospitals are empty, at least one i saw, only media does , bla, bla, bla....

If I am told to be vaccinated, I will donate it to the most vulnerable, I will sacrifice my life for them. That makes me a true patriot.

Hospitals are empty. Bull.

growleaves

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Well the world must already have taken that slide years ago then, as I have a certificate for my yellow fever vaccine that they wouldn't let me into Rwanda without.

^^What he's not telling you is that he used to be two armed dwarf before he took the jab.

MrStuffins

emy wrote: »

You got the point, so, you are aware that the number is inflated by government, to infiltrate fear among those who oppose vaccination. It is a fake number. Over 5000 infected daily, I expect the ambulance picking up infected people from their homes, but no, it is a calm situation, quiet and people behaving normal, emergency hospitals are empty, at least one i saw, only media does , bla, bla, bla....

If I am told to be vaccinated, I will donate it to the most vulnerable, I will sacrifice my life for them. That makes me a true patriot.

Why am I not surprised someone posting such nonsense calls themselves a "patriot".

Now that Trump is being kicked to the kerb hopefully we can see less of this imported American she*te!

cannotlogin

I've stuck to all of the rules so far and didn't socialise with anyone other than immediate family before or after Christmas so am really missing people.

At this stage, I think if they told me that eating my own arm was the solution required to get back to a normal life, I would do it.

The vaccines cannot come quick enough as far as I'm concerned.

Macdarack

Yes, can't wait to go skiing next year.

tom1ie

PhantomHat wrote: »

As the lockdowns continue to increase in severity I wonder are people becoming more enthusiastic about the vaccines? Certainly we all want to go back to normal ASAP. The rollout appears to be slow however.

even when we reach herd immunity @70% via infection or vaccination, we wont be returning to normal.
25% of the population cant receive the vaccination as they are under 16.
add to that pregnant women, people that cant take the vaccine, and people that wont.
your looking at approx 40% of the pop that wont be vaccinated.

there are question marks about how long the immunity of the vaccination lasts- no one knows as c19 is only 13-14 months old.

there are questions about if you can catch the virus once you are vaccinated, the virus has little to no effect on you, but you can become a carrier and pass that onto one of the 40% who cant/ wont get vaccinated.

in saying this ill still be getting the vaccine to do my part.

is_that_so

tom1ie wrote: »

even when we reach herd immunity @70% via infection or vaccination, we wont be returning to normal.
25% of the population cant receive the vaccination as they are under 16.
add to that pregnant women, people that cant take the vaccine, and people that wont.
your looking at approx 40% of the pop that wont be vaccinated.

there are question marks about how long the immunity of the vaccination lasts- no one knows as c19 is only 13-14 months old.

there are questions about if you can catch the virus once you are vaccinated, the virus has little to no effect on you, but you can become a carrier and pass that onto one of the 40% who cant/ wont get vaccinated.

in saying this ill still be getting the vaccine to do my part.

TBF pregnancies and being under 16 are temporary scenarios. About 60K babies are born a year so that's about the size of that group. We will probably continue to see cases but what vaccination should give us is an absence of serious ones. If all we have are cases at home it is no worse than a flu' and the public health crisis is over.

plodder

tom1ie wrote: »

even when we reach herd immunity @70% via infection or vaccination, we wont be returning to normal.
25% of the population cant receive the vaccination as they are under 16.
add to that pregnant women, people that cant take the vaccine, and people that wont.
your looking at approx 40% of the pop that wont be vaccinated.

there are question marks about how long the immunity of the vaccination lasts- no one knows as c19 is only 13-14 months old.

there are questions about if you can catch the virus once you are vaccinated, the virus has little to no effect on you, but you can become a carrier and pass that onto one of the 40% who cant/ wont get vaccinated.

in saying this ill still be getting the vaccine to do my part.

That's very pessimistic I think. Pregnant women can get the vaccine now. I don't think any of the newer strains are more severe on under 16s, and there's no reason to believe that immunity doesn't last long enough for things to substantially return to normal imo.

josip

tom1ie wrote: »

even when we reach herd immunity @70%; via infection or vaccination, we wont be returning to normal.
25% of the population cant receive the vaccination as they are under 16.
add to that pregnant women, people that cant take the vaccine, and people that wont.
your looking at approx 40% of the pop that wont be vaccinated.

there are question marks about how long the immunity of the vaccination lasts- no one knows as c19 is only 13-14 months old.

there are questions about if you can catch the virus once you are vaccinated, the virus has little to no effect on you, but you can become a carrier and pass that onto one of the 40% who cant/ wont get vaccinated.

in saying this ill still be getting the vaccine to do my part.

We WILL be returning to normal.
These vaccines will at some stage, like nearly all other vaccines, soon be approved for under 16s.
Pregnant women don't remain pregnant indefinitely.
Those who are unable to receive the vaccine, will have to take additional precautions from the medium term onwards.
The same way many in society today with various conditions, have to take personal responsibility and appropriate precautions to safeguard their own health.

schmoo2k

tom1ie wrote: »

even when we reach herd immunity @70% via infection or vaccination, we wont be returning to normal.
25% of the population cant receive the vaccination as they are under 16.
add to that pregnant women, people that cant take the vaccine, and people that wont.
your looking at approx 40% of the pop that wont be vaccinated.

there are question marks about how long the immunity of the vaccination lasts- no one knows as c19 is only 13-14 months old.

there are questions about if you can catch the virus once you are vaccinated, the virus has little to no effect on you, but you can become a carrier and pass that onto one of the 40% who cant/ wont get vaccinated.

in saying this ill still be getting the vaccine to do my part.

By definition once you reach herd immunity the virus will effectively be gone (and the number of cases will start to plummet as you approach it).

d15ude

emy wrote: »

... that the number is inflated by government...
...It is a fake number...

How is it inflated?
You are claiming the official Irish COVID-19 infection numbers are fake?
Who is reasonable for this?

tom1ie

plodder wrote: »

That's very pessimistic I think. Pregnant women can get the vaccine now. I don't think any of the newer strains are more severe on under 16s, and there's no reason to believe that immunity doesn't last long enough for things to substantially return to normal imo.

can you link to where it says pregnant women can get the vaccine? My understanding is they cant.

under 16s cant get the vaccine regardless of strain, they make up 25% of the pop.

it may be pessimistic, but them's the facts!

tom1ie

schmoo2k wrote: »

By definition once you reach herd immunity the virus will effectively be gone (and the number of cases will start to plummet as you approach it).

herd immunity occurs at 70%.
When you factor in global travel, that 70% of the global population need to be vaccinated to get rid of this virus.
in Ireland approx 40% may not/ wont be able to take it due to current rules.
Thats only 60% vaccinated.