Diego Armando Maradona 1960 - 2020

Trouser Snake

Front of the Sun saying he was murdered by his doctor pal. If they say so it must be true... See it nowhere else either

ohnonotgmail

Trouser Snake wrote: »

Front of the Sun saying he was murdered by his doctor pal. If they say so it must be true... See it nowhere else either

your mistake was reading the sun.

Randy Archer

Strumms wrote: »

It would would be something seeing Messi lift the World Cup... Argentina are always for whatever reason the non Irish team I support.

Looking at their squad though,

Messi 34 almost, Aguero 33... you’d wonder where goals will come from...

Dybala tears it up at club level for Juve but has struggled internationally for goals... 2 in 27 caps and he’s a forward or attacking midfielder. 68 goals in 165 games for Juve. He is 27 so AT his prime....needs to take his club form onto the international stage.

Their kit has always been a thing of beauty . Also, England vs Argies always tends to be a good watch

Trouser Snake

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

your mistake was reading the sun.

Was on the rack beside the till queue. Anything useful to add?

ohnonotgmail

Trouser Snake wrote: »

Was on the rack beside the till queue. Anything useful to add?

yeah, the sun is a ball of ****e and you are better off not looking at it at all.

Sultan of Bling

ohnonotgmail wrote:

yeah, the sun is a ball of ****e and you are better off not looking at it at all.

Agree, even if only giving a headline a passing glance, best to ignore.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

The stories about the doctor are all over Latin American media.

AndyBoBandy

Michael Jackson's doctor back in business it seems...

ShatterAlan

When I heard on the BBC that Maradona's doctor was one Leopoldo Luque and was being investigated I said to myself "Luque became a doctor??"


I remember Leopoldo Luque playing for Argentina in the 1978 world cup alongside greats like Mario Kempes, Daniel Passarella, Alberto Tarantini, Ardiles, Villa.


But then I investigated and Maradona's doctor, Leopoldo Luque is only 39...so obviously not the same guy.

Tchaikovsky

ShatterAlan wrote: »

When I heard on the BBC that Maradona's doctor was one Leopoldo Luque and was being investigated I said to myself "Luque became a doctor??"


I remember Leopoldo Luque playing for Argentina in the 1978 world cup alongside greats like Mario Kempes, Daniel Passarella, Alberto Tarantini, Ardiles, Villa.


But then I investigated and Maradona's doctor, Leopoldo Luque is only 39...so obviously not the same guy.

He (original Luque) scored twice in that totally not suspicious 6-0 win over Peru.

Snickers Man

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Fat Ronaldo

A lot depends on who the first player was to make your jaw hit the floor as a young fella.

My pick is Maradona as I watched Mexico '86 as a young fella, amazed at what he could do.

Pele for me. But then, I'm a lot older than you

Snickers Man

breezy1985 wrote: »

neither will ever be as interesting as Maradonna or as cool as this guy

You've got a point there. I'd nearly ride him meself!

And what a player he was too!!

breezy1985

Snickers Man wrote: »

You've got a point there. I'd nearly ride him meself!

And what a player he was too!!

He'd have it in you before you would even notice

Snickers Man

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I remember Leopoldo Luque playing for Argentina in the 1978 world cup alongside greats like Mario Kempes, Daniel Passarella, Alberto Tarantini, Ardiles, Villa.
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Greats? Kempes, Passarella and Ardiles maybe. (In fact, yes definitely) But Tarantini? Come off it. A clogger if ever there was one.

And Ricky Villa hardly played in that tournament. I think he may only have made one appearance as a sub.

Great goal in the FA Cup final though

ShatterAlan

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

He (original Luque) scored twice in that totally not suspicious 6-0 win over Peru.

I do remember.....diving header to seal the deal.


I was only knee-high to a grasshopper.

ShatterAlan

Snickers Man wrote: »

Greats? Kempes, Passarella and Ardiles maybe. (In fact, yes definitely) But Tarantini? Come off it. A clogger if ever there was one.

And Ricky Villa hardly played in that tournament. I think he may only have made one appearance as a sub.

Great goal in the FA Cup final though

Well, it's not really a thread about other players and also-rans, is it?


I was tiny so to me they were all so exotic.



My dad was trying to get me to pronounce their names


"That's Rivelino....say it...Rivelino. And that's Zico...say it. And this is Rensenbrink...say Rensenbrink....say Bonhof"

Snickers Man

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I was tiny so to me they were all so exotic.

My dad was trying to get me to pronounce their names

"That's Rivelino....say it...Rivelino. And that's Zico...say it. And this is Rensenbrink...say Rensenbrink....say Bonhof"

Germans had great names too. I'm old enough to have gotten into squabble about who was going to be Hans-Georg Schwarzenbeck when kicking around in the park during the 74 World Cup!!!

Schwarzenbeck was a hulking centre half with a nose like a pick-axe handle and the delicate skills normally found in such a player. (He played alongside Beckenbauer so he was the muscle to the Kaiser's finesse) Glamourous swashbuckler he certainly wasn't but what a terrific name!!

Snickers Man

breezy1985 wrote: »

He'd have it in you before you would even notice

I'm pretty sure I'd fling my arm in the air and yell "Offside ref!!" and then look aggrieved when he nonchalantly waved play on having seen nothing untoward.

partyguinness

There is a funny Scrap Saturday sketch mocking Jimmy Magee as he recites the names of exotic Spanish and Italian footballers to the backrgound of a woman getting more and more aroused.

"Oh Jimmy....say the Spanish"

"Andoni.....Zubizarretaaaaa....Jose Maria Bakerooo....Julio...Salinas"

ShatterAlan

Snickers Man wrote: »

Germans had great names too. I'm old enough to have gotten into squabble about who was going to be Hans-Georg Schwarzenbeck when kicking around in the park during the 74 World Cup!!!

Schwarzenbeck was a hulking centre half with a nose like a pick-axe handle and the delicate skills normally found in such a player. (He played alongside Beckenbauer so he was the muscle to the Kaiser's finesse) Glamourous swashbuckler he certainly wasn't but what a terrific name!!

The German names from 82 were fantastic as well.


Horst Hrubesch
Hans-Pieter Briegel
Wolfgang Dremmler
Ulrich Stieleke.


Playing in goal during a kick about I had to be Sepp Meier of course.

breezy1985

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The German names from 82 were fantastic as well.


Horst Hrubesch
Hans-Pieter Briegel
Wolfgang Dremmler
Ulrich Stieleke.


Playing in goal during a kick about I had to be Sepp Meier of course.

As long as you weren't being Harold Schumacher.

partyguinness

We got good mileage out of the "different class" line in national school.

Tchaikovsky

Interesting that Jimmy said that the referee had been given an easy game to officiate by 2 sporting teams, AFTER the handball! Also, Maradona was kicked around the place for most of it.

Iscreamkone

Hoddle was blatantly fouled in the build up to The Goal of The Century.
VAR would have disallowed both of Diego's goals.
A few English players could've got red cards too for fouls/assaults on Diego.
The game has changed enormously since the 1980s.

I was watching the football over the weekend and was thinking how meh it all was in comparison to himself.
Very little beating a man. No beating two men.
Where is the trickery, sorcery even. It's all very bland and robotic by comparison... and yes, I am getting old.

Tchaikovsky

Iscreamkone wrote: »

I was watching the football over the weekend and was thinking how meh it all was in comparison to himself.
Very little beating a man. No beating two men.
Where is the trickery, sorcery even. It's all very bland and robotic by comparison... and yes, I am getting old.

Was it the English Premier League you were watching? I've no doubt that there was no dribbling in the English First Division back in 1986 either

partyguinness

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Hoddle was blatantly fouled in the build up to The Goal of The Century.
VAR would have disallowed both of Diego's goals.
A few English players could've got red cards too for fouls/assaults on Diego.
The game has changed enormously since the 1980s.

I was watching the football over the weekend and was thinking how meh it all was in comparison to himself.
Very little beating a man. No beating two men.
Where is the trickery, sorcery even. It's all very bland and robotic by comparison... and yes, I am getting old.

The second goal was fine. The ref saw the tackle on Hoddle and said "Play on" as he had lost possession anyway. If he had not seen it then yeah possibly with VAR. Nowadays refs are too quick to blow up. Not fair to judge a game from 34 years ago by today's norms.

We can all go back over history and say VAR would have been disallowed x, y and z goal. Plenty of them. Starting with England's third goal in 1966 final that did not cross the line.

Snickers Man

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The German names from 82 were fantastic as well.


Horst Hrubesch
Hans-Pieter Briegel
Wolfgang Dremmler
Ulrich Stieleke.


Playing in goal during a kick about I had to be Sepp Meier of course.

Pierre Littbarski was on that team too. I know his name is Polish/French but it sounds great!

Snickers Man

Snickers Man wrote: »

Pierre Littbarski was on that team too. I know his name is Polish/French but it sounds great!

And in a desperate attempt to bring this back to something approaching the original topic, has there ever been a better name for a footballer than Diego Maradona's compatriot and team mate (?) Gabriel Batistuta?

I doubt it!

partyguinness

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The German names from 82 were fantastic as well.


Horst Hrubesch
Hans-Pieter Briegel
Wolfgang Dremmler
Ulrich Stieleke.

We are still talking football here right and not the German High Command?

Iscreamkone

partyguinness wrote: »

The second goal was fine. The ref saw the tackle on Hoddle and said "Play on" as he had lost possession anyway. If he had not seen it then yeah possibly with VAR. Nowadays refs are too quick to blow up. Not fair to judge a game from 34 years ago by today's norms.

We can all go back over history and say VAR would have been disallowed x, y and z goal. Plenty of them. Starting with England's third goal in 1966 final that did not cross the line.

It probably didn't cross the line but no camera was able to prove this conclusively. They'd have to go with the ref/lino decision and award the goal (even though it was probably the wrong decision)

greenspurs

Just watched the documentary last night.

Jeez it all went so sour after that peno. They really fcuked him over.

I wonder would it have been different for Diego if Napoli had sold him after the Uefa cup final, when he wanted to leave ?

partyguinness

greenspurs wrote: »

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I wonder would it have been different for Diego if Napoli had sold him after the Uefa cup final, when he wanted to leave ?

Probably. Well no, absolutely it would have been different. By 91- Italy and Maradona were well sick of each other. Selling him after Italia 90 would have made sense but being the awkward fecker he was he probably would have dug the heels in to spite the Italians.

After Italia 90, the authorities zeroed in on him and him tests were no longer protected. A mutual feeling of disdain had taken over.

I am old enough to have followed football in 89-91 and read all the usual magazines (yes there was no internet or 24 hour coverage) at the time. Maradona was portrayed as just a ball ache who just attracted drama every week. There was injuries, not turning up to training, travelling late to away games, I can recall something about him turning up late to a European Cup game in Russia and a whole "will he won't he make" drama, not match fit etc etc. Napoli got knocked out early enough and that pissed people off.

Bottom line it was just drama after drama every week. Of course, in those days you didn't hear from the players so you only really got one side of the story. In fact, I cannot recall any positive article about him at the time. I still have all my World Soccer magazines from 1990 and I am sure Maradona contributed to much of the drama himself. It was constant negative coverage- was that intentional from the Italians? Believe or not Maradona was still playing most weeks and scoring.


Not like today where we have Messi and Ronaldo who are model professionals. Maradona was the only show in town in terms of superstardom status. Back then players had nothing like the protection they have now.

As John Aldridge remarked, back in the 80s a professional footballer lived in a semidetached and drove a Ford and was quite conceivably your neighbour on the same street and drank down at the local boozer. Double edged sword- players were more accessible but at the same time the likes of Maradona were just hounded.

Mr. CooL ICE

Maradona was alright, but he was no Georgi Kinkladze

breezy1985

Mr. CooL ICE wrote: »

Maradona was alright, but he was no Georgi Kinkladze

Pfft. He was not even the best player to come out of Georgia

jimmytwotimes 2013

breezy1985 wrote: »

Pfft. He was not even the best player to come out of Georgia

Ketsbaia, clearly.

Feared by advertising hoardings everywhere

Snickers Man

Snickers Man wrote: »

Germans had great names too. I'm old enough to have gotten into squabble about who was going to be Hans-Georg Schwarzenbeck when kicking around in the park during the 74 World Cup!!!

Schwarzenbeck was a hulking centre half with a nose like a pick-axe handle and the delicate skills normally found in such a player. (He played alongside Beckenbauer so he was the muscle to the Kaiser's finesse) Glamourous swashbuckler he certainly wasn't but what a terrific name!!

And here was me thinking Sebastian Schweinsteiger was the most German-sounding footballer ever!

breezy1985

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And here was me thinking Sebastian Schweinsteiger was the most German-sounding footballer ever!

Former Wolfsburg manager Wolfgang Wolf was a favorite of mine

Iscreamkone

My vote is for Gunther Netzer

breezy1985

breezy1985 wrote: »

Former Wolfsburg manager Wolfgang Wolf was a favorite of mine

Neville Neville, you play in defence, Neville Neville, your play is immense, Neville Neville, like Jacko you're bad, Neville Neville is the name of your dad

(Song to the tune of rebel rebel by Bowie)

greenspurs

Names ?

really.


Back on topic.

His goalscoring record was excellent.

1976–1981 Argentinos Juniors166(116)
1981–1982 Boca Juniors 40 (28)
1982–1984 Barcelona 36 (22)
1984–1991 Napoli 188 (81)
1992–1993 Sevilla 26 (5)
1993–1994 Newell's Old Boys5 (0)
1995–1997 Boca Juniors 30 (7)
Total 491 259

ShatterAlan

breezy1985 wrote: »

As long as you weren't being Harold Schumacher.

Yeah, I had no desire to decapitate any of my friends.

ShatterAlan

Snickers Man wrote: »

Pierre Littbarski was on that team too. I know his name is Polish/French but it sounds great!

And of course the great Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.

BattleCorp

partyguinness wrote: »

Not like today where we have Messi and Ronaldo who are model professionals.

Dodgy tax affairs and paying people to drop rape accusations. Good footballers though.

Snickers Man

greenspurs wrote: »

Names ?

really.


Back on topic.

Maybe worthy of a separate thread of their own?