F1 2020: ROUND 15 bahrain GP1

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Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Question is what happened to his car to veer off like that?

He cut across and his rear wheel launched off the front wheel of his teamate i think.

sioda

Holy hell watching F1 for 30 years that's one of the worst and he walked away unreal

Tzardine

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Question is what happened to his car to veer off like that?

From the helicopter shot is looks like he cut across another driver and clipped him with his right rear tyre.

Burkie1203

That last replay looks lile his right rear is wobbling before he hits Kyvat

PsychoPete

Did he just try to cut across the pack and end up hittibg Kvyat or did something on the car fail

namloc1980

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Question is what happened to his car to veer off like that?

He clipped Kvyat and lost control.

Faugheen

geotrig wrote: »

I'm assuming it's more or less protocol these days to not show replays for big crashed shunts until all is seen to be ok? There was so much happening it's hard to make out what happened from what I've seen so far

Yeah that’s generally the case in all sport. Even in soccer they won’t show a replay if it’s a really bad leg break.

Busi_Girl08

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

He cut across and his rear wheel launched off the front wheel of his teamate i think.

Yeah the first replays it looked like he veered off wildly like something mechanically before he clipped Kvyat

Jaysus Kvyat must be absolutely shook after that

Faugheen

Burkie1203 wrote: »

That last replay looks lile his right rear is wobbling before he hits Kyvat

Yeah I genuinely think there looks to be a sudden failure of sorts there.

namloc1980

Unbelievable how he walked away from that.

Cool_CM

Wow. That really is insane

Busi_Girl08

Faugheen wrote: »

Yeah I genuinely think there looks to be a sudden failure of sorts there.

That's what I was thinking. It was a very random cut across with such a little gap. It was either a rookie mistake or something pulled him to the right

dakar

Looking at the shots of the front half of the car, it is just astonishing that he walked away...

Tzardine

I wonder what the psychological impact of a crash like that is on a driver.

It would be enough to make some hang up the gloves.

Fire usually isn't that big of a deal now, the fireproofs really do their jobs but it really drives home the scale of the impacts which usually don't look particularly bad.

Slightly different one above, Indycars at the time had safety cells which separated from the flammable area/fluid of the car.



Thank **** he got out. Without the Halo his head would've come clean off, without the HANS he probably would've been badly knocked out (at an absolute minimum) and the extraction would have been difficult.

Might be worth revisiting the low nose design. And maybe a reminder to drivers to look in their mirrors before manoeuvring.

Busi_Girl08

Tzardine wrote: »

I wonder what the psychological impact of a crash like that is on a driver.

It would be enough to make some hang up the gloves.

Honestly wonder how the other drivers are feeling. Dont think anyone would blame them for not racing again later.

Dampsquid

Cant see the race restarting, that barrier is in bits, and even if they fix it, it is shown to be at the wrong angle to the track.

The HALO saved his life there. i cant see Romain racing again in f1 - two more races - what's the point.

Tzardine

Holy ****. He sat in that for a long time. He is amazingly lucky.

That was hard to watch.

Faugheen

The more I look at it the worse it is. How has Romain survived that??

This is it

Jesus, he was sitting in a ball of fire

johnnysmack

I can't understand how he managed to get out of the car but thank god he's OK.

ctrl-alt-delete

So lucky to be at the start of the race too, i know he got away himself but that safety/medical car was on the scene so quick as it was the first lap.

The marshall and his extinguisher was pretty poor.

Tzardine

Jesus. Watching him trying to get out of the car is a hard watch.

The only other time I had that feeling was watching 9/11.

Busi_Girl08

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Question is what happened to his car to veer off like that?

Grosjean happened.

geotrig wrote: »

I'm assuming it's more or less protocol these days to not show replays for big crashed shunts until all is seen to be ok? There was so much happening it's hard to make out what happened from what I've seen so far

It being near a marshall post would be something they'd need to check a few times to make sure none of them were hurt.

H3llR4iser wrote: »

How the hell do they still allow steel guard rails around a racetrack - it's been proven time and again they're just unsuitable for the job, as they tend to "grab and slice" - exactly like happened here. Even a concrete wall would've been a much better solution there - the car sliding across it and dispersing energy.

For the millions upon millions they spend it's baffling. In this case though it was head-on which the HANS may not have been enough to save him.

Also, the chassis did its job to a T - breaking at the designated stress point (behind the driver). Magnificient engineering.

I'm wondering why the front of the car burned so much, the flammable stuff should/would be apart from the survival part of the car. Unless the fuel got jettisoned forward into the front half of the car.

Cool_CM

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Thank **** he got out. Without the Halo his head would've come clean off, without the HANS he probably would've been badly knocked out (at an absolute minimum) and the extraction would have been difficult.

100%.

antodeco

That looks like Grosjeans last F1 race. Broken ribs, don't see him coming back

Anyway, back to racing. Bottas is ****ing pathetic. :pac: Do they still go back to original starting grid if there's a red flag on lap 1?

Busi_Girl08

Suspected broken ribs which is not surprising

artanevilla

Reports saying he has broken ribs, he did some job to get out of the car in that state.

Joeface

Sky saying broken ribs for him. Man he is so lucky .
At least he walked away . I cannot see him racing again
What a terrible way to end your F1 career .

PsychoPete

antodeco wrote: »

That looks like Grosjeans last F1 race. Broken ribs, don't see him coming back

If that's the case really is an awful way to finish off your f1 career

Burkie1203

Steiner

"We got lucky today and id rather have this luck then racing luck"

Spot on Gunther.

TheChrisD

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Grosjean happened.

QFT, unfortunately. He kept the same steering angle in after the kink as he had through the kink which basically led him straight to the scene of the contact with Kvyat's left front.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do they still go back to original starting grid if there's a red flag on lap 1?

Nope. Race is suspended, they will restart on Lap 3 in the order at the time of the red.

weekaizer

Unbelievable.. Poor Romain Grosjean, feel sorry for him... wish him all the best and a speedy recovery. We could be seeing Hulkenberg or maybe Kubica make another return to f1... could we even see Schumacher in Abu Dhabi??

geotrig

Joeface wrote: »

Sky saying broken ribs for him. Man he is so lucky .
At least he walked away . I cannot see him racing again
What a terrible way to end your F1 career .

No he is alive so a good way to end your f1 carrer

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PsychoPete wrote: »

If that's the case really is an awful way to finish off your f1 career

Not to sound harsh but so many have had their last race after an impact like that for other reasons. He walked away from his last F1 race, he will be over the moon.

Faugheen

How has Karun spotted that piece of debris?

H3llR4iser

Deleted User wrote: »

For the millions upon millions they spend it's baffling. In this case though it was head-on which the HANS may not have been enough to save him.
Also, the chassis did its job to a T - breaking at the designated stress point (behind the driver). Magnificient engineering.
I'm wondering why the front of the car burned so much, the flammable stuff should/would be apart from the survival part of the car. Unless the fuel got jettisoned forward into the front half of the car.

Fuel all around - it did indeed get jettisoned to the front, it's just physics.

Let's be clear - the culprit here, making the accident orders of magnitude worse than it was, is 100% the flimsy steel guard rail in that place. It failed in more ways than one - it broke immediately, allowing the front of the car through, then grabbed on it, creating enough shock to tear apart the rear of the car. This (and the fact they tend to dismember motorbikers) is the reason why not even ordinary newly constructed motorways use them anymore, opting instead for concrete jersey barriers.

And the worst thing is that this isn't an old school track, this is newly built.

Busi_Girl08

Bit of debris got near his tyre just before he turned sharply to the right

antodeco

antodeco wrote: »

That looks like Grosjeans last F1 race. Broken ribs, don't see him coming back

When you think of the close calls he's been in it should have happened a while ago.
I know there has to an element of "fearlessness" for F1/racing drivers but they all need a massive wake-up call. That accident was caused by Grosjean doing something that you would get a bollocking for in your first driving lesson. Bianchi's accident was caused by going at 150mph in torrential rain through an area that the told him to slow down and prepare to stop in.

Speeds keep increasing with fewer consequences. Eventually (should already be the case really) there'll be no barrier that isn't SAFER or Tecpro. At some point after that a car will lift off or flip over a barrier and the only option will be to have a couple of hundred meter exclusion zone around the circuit.

Trampas

His glove on right hand looks half on when getting over barrier.

Tzardine

Deleted User wrote: »

When you think of the close calls he's been in it should have happened a while ago.
I know there has to an element of "fearlessness" for F1/racing drivers but they all need a massive wake-up call. That accident was caused by Grosjean doing something that you would get a bollocking for in your first driving lesson. Bianchi's accident was caused by going at 150mph in torrential rain through an area that the told him to slow down and prepare to stop in.

Speeds keep increasing with fewer consequences. Eventually (should already be the case really) there'll be no barrier that isn't SAFER or Tecpro. At some point after that a car will lift off or flip over a barrier and the only option will be to have a couple of hundred meter exclusion zone around the circuit.

I think you are spot on, and this incident will be the catalyst.

I expect they will mandate it from next year.

Gaoth Laidir

Fair play to the medic fighting the heat to help him out. All first on the scene did a great job. Fair play to them.

Faugheen

Loving these anecdotes about the medical car staff here.

Busi_Girl08

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Fair play to the medic fighting the heat to help him out. All first on the scene did a great job. Fair play to them.

He was very 'lucky' that the crash happened on the first lap and the safety car was still out

PsychoPete

Shocking start from Bottas, nothing new there I suppose

Burkie1203

Reckon a few guys will switch to hard tyres now and try a 1 stop

Busi_Girl08

Incidentally apart from Grosean that was a very scrappy opening lap

Burkie1203

PsychoPete wrote: »

Shocking start from Bottas, nothing new there I suppose

Lewis Max on front row

Sergio right behind Lewis

H3llR4iser

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Fuel all around - it did indeed get jettisoned to the front, it's just physics.

It's a very strange one, usually with high speed accidents you're not expecting a car to become stuck like that.

Let's be clear - the culprit here, making the accident orders of magnitude worse than it was, is 100% the flimsy steel guard rail in that place. It failed in more ways than one - it broke immediately, allowing the front of the car through, then grabbed on it, creating enough shock to tear apart the rear of the car. This (and the fact they tend to dismember motorbikers) is the reason why not even ordinary newly constructed motorways use them anymore, opting instead for concrete jersey barriers.

And the worst thing is that this isn't an old school track, this is newly built.

I agree those barriers shouldn't be around BUT, a few years ago with a higher nose, the car doesn't get wedged like that. A concrete barrier there with a head-on accident and you're talking massive, massive head injuries.