Kilmichael 28/11/1920

gourcuff

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Ahem..the War of Independence so called was a British victory. It was arguably actually an Irish civil war. Remember before the Irish Revolution the majority of the RIC were Irish and the majority of British troops in Ireland had traditionally been Irishmen. Collins a former Royal Mail clerk and his faction capitulated to Lloyd George's naked threats of renewed immediate and terrible war and formed the puppet Free State to save their skins. The National Army recruited former British Army officers and WW1 veterans to fill out its ranks supplied with British artillery armoured cars machine guns Crossley tenders rifles and ammunition. The anti Treaty IRA saw both the National Army " the Green and Tans" and the Garda as simply a renamed British Army and RIC. The colour of flags and letterboxes had changed and a crown had been swapped with a harp and no more. Collins and his side were poachers turned gamekeepers.
As far as the anti Treaty IRA were concerned the Irish Civil War was merely a continuation of the independence struggle fighting against turncoats.
Indeed many IRA never recognized the Free State until the day they died.

The auxillaries who died at Kilmichael were from:

Newcastle
Berkshire
Southgate
Sheffield
Surrey
Gravesend
Canterbury
Blackburn
Lanchashire
York
Kent
Worthing
Manchester

the auxillaries terrorising of the people of cork is well documented.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-irishman-s-diary-1.1118205

Cecil Guthrie, the murderer who survived for instance:


A few weeks prior to the Kilmichael ambush, Guthrie had taken Jim Lehane, an innocent civilian from a house in Ballyvourney and shot him dead. That night he boasted of his deed in a local pub


"Lehane happened to be in a house in the village - his own home was in the East End - when an Auxie walked in. When questioned he gave his name as James Lehane. … He was ordered out of the house and directed down the by-road where, about fifty yards from the village cross, the Auxie emptied his revolver into him"

gourcuff

does the latest SF controversy mean commemorating Kilmichael is not pc now?

will there be no future state commemoration of Kilmichael?

Gooey Looey

gourcuff wrote: »

does the latest SF controversy mean commemorating Kilmichael is not pc now?

will there be no future state commemoration of Kilmichael?

No, we must sanitise our history and can only commemorate the Poppy or king Billy

Samsonsmasher

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Ahem..the War of Independence so called was a British victory. It was arguably actually an Irish civil war. Remember before the Irish Revolution the majority of the RIC were Irish and the majority of British troops in Ireland had traditionally been Irishmen. Collins a former Royal Mail clerk and his faction capitulated to Lloyd George's naked threats of renewed immediate and terrible war and formed the puppet Free State to save their skins. The National Army recruited former British Army officers and WW1 veterans to fill out its ranks supplied with British artillery armoured cars machine guns Crossley tenders rifles and ammunition. The anti Treaty IRA saw both the National Army " the Green and Tans" and the Garda as simply a renamed British Army and RIC. The colour of flags and letterboxes had changed and a crown had been swapped with a harp and no more. Collins and his side were poachers turned gamekeepers.
As far as the anti Treaty IRA were concerned the Irish Civil War was merely a continuation of the independence struggle fighting against turncoats.
Indeed many IRA never recognized the Free State until the day they died.

A lot to unpack in this nonsense.

How can the withdrawal of British forces from an island after 750 odd years of occupation, following the total collapse of civil,political and martial administration, be regarded as anything other than a British defeat?
Seriously?

gourcuff

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

A lot to unpack in this nonsense.

How can the withdrawal of British forces from an island after 750 odd years of occupation, following the total collapse of civil,political and martial administration, be regarded as anything other than a British defeat?
Seriously?

the british have a habit of this, losing their empire was their decision, dunkirk was a victory, brexit etc....

of course it was a british defeat...

Water John

The burning of Cork 1920 is no Nationwide Wed RTE I.

Donald Trump

Water John wrote: »

The burning of Cork 1920 is no Nationwide Wed RTE I.

Any chance the government could commemorate this by burning it in 2020?

Water John

You'll get yourself banned with that sort of talk. Cork is sacred ground.

Hamsterchops

Should this thread be in Current Affairs or in the History forum? I'm old enough, but not that old

1920 the Kilmichael Ambush.
One hundred years ago ....

Donald Trump

Donald Trump wrote: »

Any chance the government could commemorate this by burning it in 2020?

We're outside, come out ya langer

Mac Diarmada

Iscreamkone wrote: »

100 year anniversary of Kilmichael 1920.
Not even a mention on the 6-1 news.
Is no news the next step after fake news.

In my opinion this omission is pitiful and embarrassing.

They dont want you to remember what the Irish people are capable of when our backs are to the wall.

Feisar

Stovepipe wrote: »

Correct. Tom Barry was economical with the truth when it suited him.

No denying the man’s patriotism however his book was childish in its goodie/baddie portrayal. And that’s coming from someone who thinks all them Tans and the cúnts that sent them deserved to die roaring.