Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

is_that_so

Itssoeasy wrote: »

x10. The briefings aren’t helping. I just check rte.ie and check the cork city sub forum on here and that’s it. I try to avoid the briefings and very much try to not hear George lee in particular because he’d drive you to the bed the way he goes on.

I was glued to them for months to try to make sense of all of it. Now I just get the data and leave the rest.

Steve012

mike8634 wrote: »

Obviously that's part of it, no one want's to infect mammy and daddy, demand for a test at it's peak now, January demand will fall off a cliff and we will say lockdown fixed it lol

They are also testing the same people weekly and fortnightly, in nursing home's and the like they are getting alot of false positives as they have been testing the same people every 2 weeks for months now, they'll have to test positive if an individual has been tested 20 times this year

If people stopped going for tests we'd have no lockdown

Want a normal life, don't for a test if you feel perfectly fine

"If people stopped going for tests we'd have no lockdown"

😁😂🤣 Love boards sometimes 👍🏼

speckle

I think it maybe a good thing that this variant from the uk has arrived now and not at another time of the year. The increased testing of those coming home for christmass to family bubbles will catch a lot more potential cases than if it happened at another time of year. It not a perfect option but I think I will look at the glass half full.

Would also love to know from the uk data..if the virus is presenting differently and what the a/symtomatic rate is and its virulency.. I think we should be keeping a very close eye over the next weeks re hospital and ICU percentages of postives in the UK(variant hotspots) and here in Ireland via countys. Spookwomans charts are handy for that.

brick tamland

hmmm wrote: »

I agree, more social mixing indoors particularly was always going to lead to a rise. I'm more wondering about the steepness of the curve in terms of the number of cases, and the R number going through the roof.

A positivity rate rise could also be masked by a lot more people getting tested who have mild symptoms (e.g. cough, temperature) which are not Covid.

It sounds like we will only really know the answer in hindsight.

I agree its definitely part of it. People with a mild sniffles getting a test as they will be hone for xmas.

I don't think the increase is only attributed to socialising. Also I can imagine there are hundreds of cases caused by international travel. How many of the tens/hundreds of thousand of people returning for xmas over last ten days followed the 14 days self quarantine procedures, f**k all I reckon.

I think it's too easy to blame people going out for a meal or a drink for the rise.

Plumbthedepths

is_that_so wrote: »

Christmas is in two parts really, the day itself and what comes after. What comes after was always flagged as a probable return to restrictions and we knew this. We've had four weeks of a run and we'll enjoy the day the best we can. Vaccinations will start next week and that is the real hope for 2021.

As a general comment I'd strongly encourage people to stop watching these briefings. Of late they've delivered little more than admonition for people's behaviour. I can't help but feel there is a level of petulance at NPHET being routinely ignored by government.
This is a beauty from this evening.



At this stage, amateur epidemiologists that we all are we can read the data and make our limited judgements on it. We certainly don't need to be talked down to by NPHET. Get the data and move on.

I stopped watching the briefings at the end of April. I really question the value they hold. Nphet should be giving their advice to government not hitting the screens or airwaves at every opportunity.7 day average figures should be released on the news. It's almost a cult programme at this stage and I believe serves no purpose other than to frighten already frightened people.

thegreengoblin

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I stopped watching the briefings at the end of April. I really question the value they hold. Nphet should be giving their advice to government not hitting the screens or airwaves at every opportunity.7 day average figures should be released on the news. It's almost a cult programme at this stage and I believe serves no purpose other than to frighten already frightened people.

That's exactly what it is. If they stopped doing those briefings and just released the figures online there'd be uproar from some people who couldn't do without their daily fix. It's sickening.

niallo27

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I stopped watching the briefings at the end of April. I really question the value they hold. Nphet should be giving their advice to government not hitting the screens or airwaves at every opportunity.7 day average figures should be released on the news. It's almost a cult programme at this stage and I believe serves no purpose other than to frighten already frightened people.

It's the Tony show these days. It's turning a lot of people against nphet. They remind me of the Catholic Church a bit demanding respect.

Ohmeha

National deaths and new case numbers/averages/percentages for the past 4 weeks which capture the current weekly doubling of cases

Day Month Date Year Deaths Weekly 7 Day Av ROI Cases Weekly 5 Day Av 5 Day % 7 Day Av 7 Day % 14 Day Av 14 Day %
Thursday November 26th 2020 3 28 4.00 335 2,074 280.00 -24.24% 296.29 -29.60% 358.57 -23.44%
Friday November 27th 2020 7 27 3.86 206 1,950 257.60 -28.44% 278.57 -30.21% 338.86 -24.30%
Saturday November 28th 2020 7 30 4.29 243 1,849 255.80 -23.55% 264.14 -31.06% 323.64 -28.16%
Sunday November 29th 2020 2 31 4.43 299 1,830 270.40 -8.03% 261.43 -30.21% 318.00 -27.41%
Monday November 30th 2020 1 32 4.57 306 1,884 277.80 -1.42% 269.14 -22.08% 307.29 -26.11%
Tuesday December 1st 2020 18 44 6.29 269 1,927 264.60 -5.50% 275.29 -15.41% 300.36 -28.32%
Wednesday December 2nd 2020 5 43 6.14 270 1,928 277.40 7.69% 275.43 -11.07% 292.57 -29.39%
Thursday December 3rd 2020 6 46 6.57 183 1,776 265.40 3.75% 253.71 -14.37% 275.00 -31.73%
Friday December 4th 2020 6 45 6.43 265 1,835 258.60 -4.36% 262.14 -5.90% 270.36 -30.80%
Saturday December 5th 2020 13 51 7.29 456 2,048 288.60 3.89% 292.57 10.76% 278.36 -28.61%
Sunday December 6th 2020 0 49 7.00 301 2,050 295.00 11.49% 292.86 12.02% 277.14 -25.88%
Monday December 7th 2020 0 48 6.86 242 1,986 289.40 4.33% 283.71 5.41% 276.43 -25.82%
Tuesday December 8th 2020 1 31 4.43 215 1,932 295.80 11.45% 276.00 0.26% 275.64 -25.40%
Wednesday December 9th 2020 5 31 4.43 227 1,889 288.20 11.45% 269.86 -2.02% 272.64 -24.86%
Thursday December 10th 2020 15 40 5.71 310 2,016 259.00 -10.26% 288.00 13.51% 270.86 -24.46%
Friday December 11th 2020 3 37 5.29 313 2,064 261.40 -11.39% 294.86 12.48% 278.50 -17.81%
Saturday December 12th 2020 3 27 3.86 248 1,856 262.60 -9.26% 265.14 -9.37% 278.86 -13.84%
Sunday December 13th 2020 1 28 4.00 429 1,984 305.40 3.25% 283.43 -3.22% 288.14 -9.39%
Monday December 14th 2020 2 30 4.29 264 2,006 312.80 8.54% 286.57 1.01% 285.14 -7.21%
Tuesday December 15th 2020 8 37 5.29 329 2,120 316.60 22.24% 302.86 9.73% 289.43 -3.64%
Wednesday December 16th 2020 6 38 5.43 431 2,324 340.20 30.15% 332.00 23.03% 300.93 2.86%
Thursday December 17th 2020 3 26 3.71 484 2,498 387.40 47.52% 356.86 23.91% 322.43 17.25%
Friday December 18th 2020 6 29 4.14 582 2,767 418.00 36.87% 395.29 34.06% 345.07 27.64%
Saturday December 19th 2020 5 31 4.43 527 3,046 470.60 50.45% 435.14 64.12% 350.14 25.79%
Sunday December 20th 2020 4 34 4.86 764 3,381 557.60 76.12% 483.00 70.41% 383.21 38.27%
Monday December 21st 2020 0 32 4.57 727 3,844 616.80 81.31% 549.14 91.63% 417.86 51.16%
Tuesday December 22nd 2020 13 37 5.29 970 4,485 714.00 84.31% 640.71 111.56% 471.79 71.16%
Wednesday December 23rd 2020 13 44 6.29 938 4,992 785.20 87.85% 713.14 114.80% 522.57 91.67%

Necro

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Replying to yourself from the same account?

Mod:

Ok, move on folks please and let mods deal with it by reporting, don't derail the thread please

wadacrack

speckle wrote: »

I think it maybe a good thing that this variant from the uk has arrived now and not at another time of the year. The increased testing of those coming home for christmass to family bubbles will catch a lot more potential cases than if it happened at another time of year. It not a perfect option but I think I will look at the glass half full.

Would also love to know from the uk data..if the virus is presenting differently and what the a/symtomatic rate is and its virulency.. I think we should be keeping a very close eye over the next weeks re hospital and ICU percentages of postives in the UK(variant hotspots) and here in Ireland via countys. Spookwomans charts are handy for that.

Its the worst time. The summer would have been far more advantageous time

rosser44

Steve012 wrote: »

"If people stopped going for tests we'd have no lockdown"

ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‚🀣 Love boards sometimes ðŸ‘ðŸ¼

It'll be lights up the jacksie and bleach injections next!

Leftwaffe

Do we really know if these new strains are as lethal as other strains? Perhaps they are not. Maybe they are weaker and just more contagious. And as long as they are susceptible to the vaccine we are still on track for a good 2021. Even if they’re not, leading scientists are saying they can be tweaked easily.

I sometimes find myself reading this thread as if it’s Ebola we are talking about, not downplaying it all but it’s important to keep in perspective the lethality of this disease. Crazy the amount of fear peddled on here and in the media, perhaps these people are in vulnerable positions themselves, can’t understand it otherwise. It’s like some people get off on lies and making people panic. You know know what’s on the other side of the keyboard. I will never forgive RTE and the mainstream media for their coverage of this pandemic, never.

One more point, our fixation with case numbers will have to become a thing of the past once a larger number of people are vaccinated. Eventually there will be nobody dying from this and barely anyone in hospital but there could be a lot of daily cases for a while. We need to get our head around this.

Northernlily

bodhrandude wrote: »

I think the DUP should be asked to step down, they should no longer be in a position of power after this fiasco.

Agree, they have completely politicised the issue the pack of stone age cretins.

Shame on them.

PCeeeee

As vaccination doses arrive, they must be administered. If not, why not?

I understand there are issues but surely this cannot be beyond us? The potential rewards are enormous.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Do we really know if these new strains are as lethal as other strains? Perhaps they are not. Maybe they are weaker and just more contagious. And as long as they are susceptible to the vaccine we are still on track for a good 2021. Even if they’re not, leading scientists are saying they can be tweaked easily.

I sometimes find myself reading this thread as if it’s Ebola we are talking about, not downplaying it all but it’s important to keep in perspective the lethality of this disease. Crazy the amount of fear peddled on here and in the media, perhaps these people are in vulnerable positions themselves, can’t understand it otherwise. It’s like some people get off on lies and making people panic. You know know what’s on the other side of the keyboard. I will never forgive RTE and the mainstream media for their coverage of this pandemic, never.

One more point, our fixation with case numbers will have to become a thing of the past once a larger number of people are vaccinated. Eventually there will be nobody dying from this and barely anyone in hospital but there could be a lot of daily cases for a while. We need to get our head around this.

you're 100% spot on with this.

How can the media keep reporting on case numbers if nobody is dying or being hopitalised, at that rate, they may as well report on how many people have a cold or a urinary tract infection ffs.

As soon as myself and more imprortantly my parents are vaccinated, then ill even be finished with this forum. Because quite frankly covid will be a nothing issue.

Fingers crossed

jackboy

chrisbonnie wrote: »

As soon as myself and more imprortantly my parents are vaccinated, then ill even be finished with this forum. Because quite frankly covid will be a nothing issue.

Fingers crossed

Fair enough but unless you are in a vulnerable group it will likely be autumn before that happens.

nocoverart

jackboy wrote: »

Fair enough but unless you are in a vulnerable group it will likely be autumn before that happens.

I thought it be more around Summer, no?

Ficheall

chrisbonnie wrote: »

As soon as myself and more imprortantly my parents are vaccinated, then ill even be finished with this forum. Because quite frankly covid will be a nothing issue.

When you and your parents are vaccinated, it will be a nothing issue.
Why not dismiss it as a nothing issue already? Bring your parents down to the covid wards for Christmas day, sure.

A nothing issue - once you're fine. How blatantly f*cking selfish.

Goldengirl

thegreengoblin wrote: »

That's exactly what it is. If they stopped doing those briefings and just released the figures online there'd be uproar from some people who couldn't do without their daily fix. It's sickening.

You know the briefings are only biweekly , not daily.
And are the same type of health briefings as are being transmitted in nearly all of the countries in the Western world and many others , as a result of this disease .
Most people dip in and out of them and may not watch them all the time , but no , it would not be a positive if they stopped completely .
Maybe should be once a week, but certainly more , if more to say , which there is at the moment .
Just because some don't like them is not a good enough reason to stop what is available information resource for most citizens .

JacksonHeightsOwn

jackboy wrote: »

Fair enough but unless you are in a vulnerable group it will likely be autumn before that happens.

thats fine, im use to wearing a mask at this stage, i havent been out to restaurant or a pub since march.

Ive gone this long, another few months shouldnt be problem.

I can see the light starting to peep through now, just time to knuckle down and keep on going.

ExMachina1000

mike8634 wrote: »

No one has tried that in Europe for a reason

It won't work

Why would you do it anyway?

25 people are in the ICU with Covid right now in Ireland

25!

Out of 5,000,000 people

It's an absolute joke what's going on.

We won't even get to 100 in the ICU with this mutant strain

If hospitals didn't have staff self isolating it would be the quietest winter ever, I should know as my wife is a nurse in UHL

9 months of business disruption. Government spending billions on supports and payments. Hundreds of thousands not working.

That's why you do it.
Or else continue down the path of reaction.

Plus you completely extinguish the virus. It cant spread from person to person. Literally

China did it. Australia did a lite version.
Compare Europe

jackboy

nocoverart wrote: »

I thought it be more around Summer, no?

6 to 9 months is the estimate so maybe the late Summer.

caveat emptor

petes wrote: »

Agreeing and disagreeing with yourself?

Point take out of context cheers. I agree with OP about that we should be transparent.

Coming out and saying the variant is ‘suspected’ to be here while not confirmed causes undue panic and may lead to some unintended consequences as the truckers stranded in Dover for Christmas.
I personally don’t think that’s fair on them.

theballz

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Virus could be mutanting into something harmless.

Many experts are saying this

Leftwaffe

theballz wrote: »

Many experts are saying this

I’m not a scientist at all but I’m choosing to look at it this way. A more contagious, less lethal strain coupled with high test numbers due to Xmas household mingling = Lots of cases.

Probes

theballz wrote: »

Many experts are saying this

Please provide the sources.

speckle

wadacrack wrote: »

Its the worst time. The summer would have been far more advantageous time

If it was summer even like this last year...their would be no push to get tested to protect the more vunerable older family members ?

StevenToast

Jesus....Thread XXX......before christmas?!

XXX rated.....

Ficheall

Probes wrote: »

Please provide the sources.

It often happens for more lethal viruses, because the host doesn't die before it can spread the virus. Eg. Ebola is under "control" because most people die before they can spread it. I suspect this is being extrapolated to covid weakening, but I don't think it has an issue spreading anyway, so I don't see how weakening would benefit the virus.

Goldengirl

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They also had to be told to wear them...."All Healthcare Workers Must Wear Face Masks When Treating Patients" https://www.todayfm.com/news/healthcare-workers-must-wear-face-masks-treating-patients-1004057

You do realise that is just a headline that you are taking out of context .
This issue was brought up by nurses and their unions from the beginning of the pandemic when HSE refused to mandate or supply masks to nurses when caring for non Covid patients.
This is called " misrepresentation" . Or another way of telling fibs , unless you really didn't know what was in the article .