Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

prunudo

Eivor wrote: »

I still can’t understand how we’re not testing people coming into the country.

Exactly, it's one of the failures of the governments trying to live with covid plan. People entering the country via air and sea should be getting testing and then mandatory quarantine for positive cases, this should have been rolled out long ago. In reality we'll be dealing with this for the rest of 2021 at a minimum so something has to be looked at, we can't keep burying our heads in the sand on international travel.

Morries Wigs

most of us do the mask wash hands keep 2 m apart but for what -to see those cowboys fly all he paddys back from london to roam free around the place no way are they gonna restrict their movements ,

JacksonHeightsOwn

Morries Wigs wrote: »

most of us do the mask wash hands keep 2 m apart but for what -to see those cowboys fly all he paddys back from london to roam free around the place no way are they gonna restrict their movements ,

This is the thing, if im not mistaken in Taiwan if you test positive you're taken to a hotel to isolate, as are your close contacts.

And the annoying thing it, its common sense isn't it.... Just pure common sense

Derek Zoolander

chrisbonnie wrote: »

This is the thing, if im not mistaken in Taiwan if you test positive you're taken to a hotel to isolate, as are your close contacts.

And the annoying thing it, its common sense isn't it.... Just pure common sense

Is it common sense removing kids from their families if they test positive because that’s what happens in Hong Kong and China...

Positive tests on arrival straight into a monitoring facilities released after negative test and no symptoms - negative tests to quarantine facility...

Derek Zoolander

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

Is it common sense removing kids from their families if they test positive because that’s what happens in Hong Kong and China...

Yes?

SeaFields

Perhaps there is logic to it. Can anyone tell me why the stats every evening give the percentage of infections in people under the age of 45? It seems a rather arbitrary number. I would have thought for example the infections over aged 70 would give a better statistical chance of impacting in the health system. Again, perhaps there's a logic to the 45 years figure.

wadacrack

Hopefully people will adhere to the guidelines in the new year etc. Whether you agree with the restrictions or not its better to look at the big picture. The sacrifices will make likely to determine our future.

Happydays2020

prunudo wrote: »

Exactly, it's one of the failures of the governments trying to live with covid plan. People entering the country via air and sea should be getting testing and then mandatory quarantine for positive cases, this should have been rolled out long ago. In reality we'll be dealing with this for the rest of 2021 at a minimum so something has to be looked at, we can't keep burying our heads in the sand on international travel.

Let’s have internment camps. Leave people there for a while for having travelled - even if many of those people have kept the economy going.

Signore Fancy Pants

Looks like the recent Wexford outbreak was legit.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/close-relative-of-woman-whose-funeral-became-super-spreader-dies-39896931.html

wadacrack

Strong evidence the new variant is much more contagious.
No Evidence of severe disease.
Unlikely to affect immune response to the vaccine.
Seems to infect younger people at a higher rate.

https://twitter.com/BillHanage/status/1341857733633581063

mike8634

SeaFields wrote: »

Perhaps there is logic to it. Can anyone tell me why the stats every evening give the percentage of infections in people under the age of 45? It seems a rather arbitrary number. I would have thought for example the infections over aged 70 would give a better statistical chance of impacting in the health system. Again, perhaps there's a logic to the 45 years figure.

No logic, just age based racism

Guilt tripping people to stay at home

Same reason we don't get the ages of people dieing everyday

They give us the information they want us to see

25 people in the ICU out of 5,000,000 people should be headline news

Locking down a country for that is insane

Those doom models have been wrong every time, by magnitudes

We wont even hit 100 in the ICU

caveat emptor

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Let’s have internment camps. Leave people there for a while for having travelled - even if many of those people have kept the economy going.

Ah here quarantine is not internment. The advice is a lot of **** because it's optional. Instead we are told to 'do the right thing' Which means a lot of things to lots of people here but let's all have a 'living with the virus' Christmas.

"Go to the pub with family and friends but don't go to the pub with family and friends because you might kill them."

"Oh and if you do spread it's your fault. You know personal responsibility."

"Have a happy new year but in lockdown oh and the virus might have changed and can infect kids more efficiently so schools are up in the air."

That's not exactly a good plan in the eyes of the majority. Where's the demos in democracy?

Plumbthedepths

ElJeffe wrote: »

Bit weird anyone would think a poster would have two accounts. I don't get it what's the point.

Indeed conspiracy theory stuff. ;-)

mike8634

wadacrack wrote: »

Strong evidence the new variant is much more contagious.
No Evidence of severe disease.
Unlikely to affect immune response to the vaccine.
Seems to infect younger people at a higher rate.

https://twitter.com/BillHanage/status/1341857733633581063

Where's the evidence

London and that region we're in lower Tiers compared to rest of the country with way less restrictions

Cases tripled, just like ours did in the last few weeks

JacksonHeightsOwn

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

Is it common sense removing kids from their families if they test positive because that’s what happens in Hong Kong and China...

Positive tests on arrival straight into a monitoring facilities released after negative test and no symptoms - negative tests to quarantine facility...

I think its common sense, yes

jam_mac_jam

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Let’s have internment camps. Leave people there for a while for having travelled - even if many of those people have kept the economy going.

Yes because staying in a hotel to quarantine is exactly like an internment camp.

It's practically the holocaust.

The countries that enforced quarantine don't have lockdowns and high cases.

caveat emptor

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

Is it common sense removing kids from their families if they test positive because that’s what happens in Hong Kong and China...

Positive tests on arrival straight into a monitoring facilities released after negative test and no symptoms - negative tests to quarantine facility...

That's like the arguments about banning travel. People came out saying "We'll starve" Well they've banned travel but we let freight in and we are grand" That was proven to be a bogus argument too now.

Who is suggesting "taking your kids off you". We are going to go from anyone can rock up and do what they want to separating families. If it were implemented how about doing it at the family unit level.

Of course like all the bulls!t arguments put forward it's not about the point. It's about finding the most extreme case so you can do what you want.

Jaded Walker

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Yes because staying in a hotel to quarantine is exactly like an internment camp.

It's practically the holocaust.

The countries that enforced quarantine don't have lockdowns and high cases.

Some people just can't see it. You shut everything down, get cases close to zero, set up quarantine for anybody entering the country and you can have everybody back working, nobody worrying about schools or creches, pubs, clubs and attending sporting events without issue.

Unfortunately the north is a problem which we have to find a way to deal with.

ElJeffe

Eivor wrote: »

I still can’t understand how we’re not testing people coming into the country.

Because we are the bestest littlest country in the world and we love open borders without restrictions. We also love pats on our head from other more powerful nations.

Oh yeah open borders that is unless you want to drive from Shankill to Greystones and cross a county border to see your family that is then you are a big bad monster.

Plumbthedepths

Jaded Walker wrote: »

Some people just can't see it. You shut everything down, get cases close to zero, set up quarantine for anybody entering the country and you can have everybody back working, nobody worrying about schools or creches, pubs, clubs and attending sporting events without issue.

Unfortunately the north is a problem which we have to find a way to deal with.

So Zero Covid ? Which has been dismissed by government repeatedly (thankfully)

prunudo

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Let’s have internment camps. Leave people there for a while for having travelled - even if many of those people have kept the economy going.

Whether they kept the economy going or not, if they test positive when entering the country there should be mandatory quarantine for them.

jam_mac_jam

Jaded Walker wrote: »

Some people just can't see it. You shut everything down, get cases close to zero, set up quarantine for anybody entering the country and you can have everybody back working, nobody worrying about schools or creches, pubs, clubs and attending sporting events without issue.

Unfortunately the north is a problem which we have to find a way to deal with.

Yes the North means we would have difficulties however we could have enforced quarantine for people travelling and who tested positive. Some monitoring or high fines for breaking it.

Ficheall

mike8634 wrote: »

We wont even hit 100 in the ICU

There were 150 in ICU in April.

caveat emptor

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So Zero Covid ? Which has been dismissed by government repeatedly (thankfully)

Or a sh!te Christmas which has been royally fvcked up by said government and blamed on the populace they supposedly represent.

Also if people really cared about hospitality and jobs that would be the least damaging option. Now they are going into a third lockdown and lots won't survive.

Ficheall

Ficheall wrote: »

There were 150 in ICU in April.

So we are nowhere close to capacity then. Excellent news. Strange that we are locking down though.

Plumbthedepths

caveat emptor wrote: »

Or a sh!te Christmas which has been royally fvcked up by said government and blamed on the populace they supposedly represent.

Christmas in the middle of a pandemic was always going to be rubbish, surprised you weren't aware of this.

Plumbthedepths

Ficheall wrote: »

There were 150 in ICU in April.

25 in ICU today, unless the numbers have increased since I looked at the Covid app 10 minutes ago.

ElJeffe

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Christmas in the middle of a pandemic was always going to be rubbish, surprised you weren't aware of this.

It's what you make it. For some people the lack of social gatherings and fake happiness will be a relief tbh.

People could reflect on the real meaning of Xmas.

caveat emptor

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Christmas in the middle of a pandemic was always going to be rubbish, surprised you weren't aware of this.

If I were to write down the things I'm surprised you are not aware of it would be a fairly big list. :pac:

Like how do you not know that hospitalisations, ICUs and deaths lag behind Cases. I mean this the third wave? How many waves do people need?

Of course in Jan people will say "Sure what could we have done"....Rinse repeat.

Plumbthedepths

caveat emptor wrote: »

If I were to write down the things I'm surprised you are not aware of it would be a fairly big list. :pac:

What's that got to do with Christmas during a pandemic, did you think you would be celebrating the 12 pubs is that why you wish to get personal?