Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

theballz

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christmas eve and there still releasing all this negativity

A bit of positivity and encouragement could go a long way. In a social context ee don't want another Xmas like this

It’s not negativity it’s factual. Would you rather we were lied to?

It’s a very serious situation and people need to be made aware of that.

Strumms

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christmas eve and there still releasing all this negativity

A bit of positivity and encouragement could go a long way. In a social context ee don't want another Xmas like this

I hear yeah.. though these are facts, stats, maybe it’s good to keep people grounded... if they were just to hide the facts it’s a case of out of sight and out of mind a percentage of people would get carried away with themselves... the numbers again, just a reminder..

Better we minimize the risk than encourage it.

Renjit

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christmas eve and there still releasing all this negativity

A bit of positivity and encouragement could go a long way. In a social context ee don't want another Xmas like this

What i see is the stabilization of numbers for few days. Could be worse.

niallo27

theballz wrote: »

It’s not negativity it’s factual. Would you rather we were lied to?

It’s a very serious situation and people need to be made aware of that.

No not lied to, maybe just shut the **** about them for a day or two. Everyone knows I a ****show.

Choosehowevr.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Now a 3rd variant strain in Africa discovered

Watch the superpowers take a sudden interest in Africa if this keeps happening

Ficheall

niallo27 wrote: »

No not lied to, maybe just shut the **** about them for a day or two. Everyone knows I a ****show.

Turn off the telly.

prunudo

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christmas eve and there still releasing all this negativity

A bit of positivity and encouragement could go a long way. In a social context ee don't want another Xmas like this

True but I think the vast majority have stopped listening, especially those that probably should be listening most. So while factual but negative, most people won't let it get to them and are going to get on with enjoying the next couple days the best they can under the circumstances.

ElJeffe

niallo27 wrote: »

No not lied to, maybe just shut the **** about them for a day or two. Everyone knows I a ****show.

You seem to be very angry with the whole thing. Maybe tune out for a while?

ElJeffe

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christmas eve and there still releasing all this negativity

A bit of positivity and encouragement could go a long way. In a social context ee don't want another Xmas like this

They are releasing the facts. Journalists report the facts..

Ficheall

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So testing has more or less doubled the last couple of days? Positivity 4.2ish?
And we're pressing the panic button again.

Something's off. I'm not saying there is nothing to worry about, but if you test twice the number of people of course you're going to see rising numbers, no?

It's not a random selection, though. Theoretically, the most likely to be infected should be the first tested, and therefore within the smaller cohort. Expanding the size of said cohort should therefore reduce the positivity rate.
If you test double the numbers and get double the number of cases, it suggests you might as well be testing people at random and ignoring those who were contact-traced or symptom-referred.

niallo27

ElJeffe wrote: »

You seem to be very angry with the whole thing. Maybe tune out for a while?

It's a pandemic. I think everyone is quiet angry, well some people quiet like it I guess.

froog

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christmas eve and there still releasing all this negativity

A bit of positivity and encouragement could go a long way. In a social context ee don't want another Xmas like this

you are free to put your head in the sand and pretend everything is grand. that's entirely your choice.

froog

niallo27 wrote: »

It's a pandemic. I think everyone is quiet angry, well some people quiet like it I guess.

who do you think likes this pandemic?

CruelSummer

Happy Christmas all, hope you all get to enjoy the day in some shape or form 🎄🎅ðŸ¼. Hopefully 2021 will bring an end to this pandemic as we know it.

Choosehowevr.

CruelSummer wrote: »

Happy Christmas all, hope you all get to enjoy the day in some shape or form 🎄🎅ðŸ¼. Hopefully 20201 will bring and end to this pandemic as we know it.

Hopefully before then

JP Liz V1

Did we all ask Santa for a vaccine in our stocking

Neamhshuntasach

Wonder if covid is weakening while becoming more transmissible. I'd gone through the entire year without really knowing anyone personally who tested positive. Knew a few who were close contacts but ultimately tested negative. Now I know tons. But this is mainly on the back of private tests before meeting up with family or calling for a test saying they had some symptoms.

But no one has symptoms. All completely unaware they would be considered sick. One of my mates had a work party for his business in a big shed with a bar in it out his back garden last week like a dope. 17 of them at it. 14 of them all tested positive this week after 2 tested positive from private tests and the rest got them as close contacts. Other family members now waiting for results due to being in contact with the people at the party. Again no one feeling sick. Strangely enough, or coincidently more likely, the 3 that didn't catch it out of the 17 were the only 3 lads doing coke.

Turtwig

seamus wrote: »

It would mean we're only catching about half of all cases, and we miss the other half because they have few or no symptoms.

Open to correction on this. My understanding was this assumption is baked into the models NPHET are using since April or earlier.

Interestingly a paper published looking at France suggests this threshold is too low.

iamwhoiam

niallo27 wrote: »

It's a pandemic. I think everyone is quiet angry, well some people quiet like it I guess.

I am not angry . I don’t like it and I wish it hadn’t happened but I am not angry
My parents in law lived through a horrific war and people are still living in horrendous situations . This is manageable and will pass .

rooney30

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Wonder if covid is weakening while becoming more transmissible. I'd gone through the entire year without really knowing anyone personally who tested positive. Knew a few who were close contacts but ultimately tested negative. Now I know tons. But this is mainly on the back of private tests before meeting up with family or calling for a test saying they had some symptoms.

But no one has symptoms. All completely unaware they would be considered sick. One of my mates had a work party for his business in a big shed with a bar in it out his back garden last week like a dope. 17 of them at it. 14 of them all tested positive this week after 2 tested positive from private tests and the rest got them as close contacts. Other family members now waiting for results due to being in contact with the people at the party. Again no one feeling sick. Strangely enough, or coincidently more likely, the 3 that didn't catch it out of the 17 were the only 3 lads doing coke.

You heard it on boards first , Line your nostrils with coke to ensure perfect covid barrier

Stheno

Turtwig wrote: »

Open to correction on this. My understanding was this assumption is baked into the models NPHET are using since April or earlier.

Interestingly a paper published looking at France suggests this threshold is too low.

Are they suggesting that 50% with little to no symptoms is low and its possibly 60/70%

Ficheall

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Strangely enough, or coincidently more likely, the 3 that didn't catch it out of the 17 were the only 3 lads doing coke.

Well now. Very interesting indeed...

xhomelezz

rooney30 wrote: »

You heard it on boards first , Line your nostrils with coke to ensure perfect covid barrier

Just after trying the same with 2 cans of Budweiser, wasn't easy at all. But doneðŸ˜, will post results in coming days.

sonofenoch

niallo27 wrote: »

It's a pandemic. I think everyone is quiet angry, well some people quiet like it I guess.

Quiet angry? quiet like it? .....


This is the result covid has had on schooling

Plumbthedepths

seamus wrote: »

Well kids, I expect we'll get no more swab numbers until Tuesday at the earliest.

Judging by recent days, something bizarre has happened. While we have a surge in case numbers, the proportion of positives has stabilised.

I expect test numbers will go all over the place now, very few swabs taken tomorrow or Saturday. There'll be plenty to chew on come Tuesday.

There was a theory put forward that there was a huge surge of requested tests - i.e. people who were not symptomatic and not a close contact - coming up to Christmas.

If we see positivity rates drop back again next week and the week after, then it opens the possibility that the virus is circulating asymptomatically at far higher rates than we suspected. It would mean we're only catching about half of all cases, and we miss the other half because they have few or no symptoms.

If that comes to pass, it also doesn't mean NPHET were wrong. It just illustrates how little we actually know about this virus, and we're doing our best with nothing but a glimpse of the true picture.

If numbers start moving upward again next week, then we have a new lockdown in place to help combat it. And the outcome now isn't destined to be nearly as dire as NPHET (or I) projected.

Onwards and upwards. Have a nice Xmas, and stay away from Covid news for the next 48 hours. There will be nothing new to say, so you'll just be getting worked up over stale news.

Excellent post. Have a good Christmas.

ElJeffe

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Wonder if covid is weakening while becoming more transmissible. I'd gone through the entire year without really knowing anyone personally who tested positive. Knew a few who were close contacts but ultimately tested negative. Now I know tons. But this is mainly on the back of private tests before meeting up with family or calling for a test saying they had some symptoms.

But no one has symptoms. All completely unaware they would be considered sick. One of my mates had a work party for his business in a big shed with a bar in it out his back garden last week like a dope. 17 of them at it. 14 of them all tested positive this week after 2 tested positive from private tests and the rest got them as close contacts. Other family members now waiting for results due to being in contact with the people at the party. Again no one feeling sick. Strangely enough, or coincidently more likely, the 3 that didn't catch it out of the 17 were the only 3 lads doing coke.

Your mates sound likes a load of knobs

CIARAN_BOYLE

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So testing has more or less doubled the last couple of days? Positivity 4.2ish?
And we're pressing the panic button again.

Something's off. I'm not saying there is nothing to worry about, but if you test twice the number of people of course you're going to see rising numbers, no?

I made the same point in early November (I felt that the fall in testing caused the fall in cases).

A large number of posters here assured me that the fall in numbers for testing was itself a good sign. It is not random selection in the population. Instead it's people they have cause to test and that anyone they have cause to test gets tested.

As such the increase in people being tested itself is the first bad sign. The rise in positives is the second bad sign.

lukas8888

Doctor Holohan at pains to stress that the new variant has so far had limited effect on the escalating numbers but lays the blame squarely at the extra socialising.No doubt it would not suit his non stop blaming hospitality if the new strain was infecting people in every other area of human contact.It begs the question how does he know.

Turtwig

Stheno wrote: »

Are they suggesting that 50% with little to no symptoms is low and its possibly 60/70%

It's not necessarily just about little to no symptoms. Regardless, the authors suggested that for France it could be as low as only 1 in 12 cases being detected.

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lukas8888 wrote: »

Doctor Holohan at pains to stress that the new variant has so far had limited effect on the escalating numbers but lays the blame squarely at the extra socialising.No doubt it would not suit his non stop blaming hospitality if the new strain was infecting people in every other area of human contact.It begs the question how does he know.

Christmas of all times of the year, with all that movement of people and congregation of people. Sure how else were cases going to go? The UK wanted to keep hold of the public and it was a get out of jail free card for the government by blaming a new strain, which no doubt exists, but can't be the reason for these cases. It's just soo convenient. It's dangerous how much everyone is taking everything as gospel now from the media but it's also dangerous how much people believe the other side of the coin with conspiracy theories on social media. People need to be more critical and actually think about what they hear or see.

Anyway, it's Christmas Eve and life is really no different for most people, although the media will have the lonely elderly, who are lonely every year, or the relatively small group who actually have people sick with Covid in their family. Most people are at home now with their family and it looks no different than last year right now so don't forget that. The media and social media feed the out of the ordinary but the ordinary is still dominant.