Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

boardise

XsApollo wrote: »

Or 2 weeks after the annual pilgrimage

The last two weeks were crucial.....

Atlantic Dawn

Figures are good when you look at this being the biggest socialising period of the year.

Turtwig

Don't think they will have a choice about schools if this rate of growth continues or accelerates. Schools have a lower risk than other environments. Nonetheless outbreaks occur there and we are really beginning to stare down the barrel of a shotgun of covid clusters. Even preventing school clusters may make a minor but significant difference in our ability to cope and mitigate damage.

(there's also the question of whether the new variant would spread easier in a school environment leading to more cases numbers)

Strumms

IrishHomer wrote: »

Never thought bookies shops are essential?

Local shop today was packed.

Bizarre in my opinion

I’m reading that about 52 million is generated each year, by the government through taxation on betting...

So that 52 million plus, revenue generated from around 3500 people employed in the horse racing industry, tax on earnings, business profits... etc... probably seen as a worthwhile risk..

Worth considering too, horse racing has always had close links with political life here...

I know it’s not just horses, other sports too but that’s a big influence in what decisions are made.

BorneTobyWilde

1200 cases, and maybe 10 times that never tested, just told by a doctor stay home and isolate, and maybe 10 times that walking around not knowing they have it,
so 120,000 cases today then .

BorneTobyWilde

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Figures are good when you look at this being the biggest socialising period of the year.

It's just people tested though. More people never tested, just told to isolate.


You have to at least assume there is 20 times the daily cases reported.

BorneTobyWilde

..Which is good, lot's on immunity out there..

..bad in that people are infecting people who will die from it .

Stheno

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's just people tested though. More people never tested, just told to isolate.


You have to at least assume there is 20 times the daily cases reported.

Where are you getting this info that people are not being tested?

mike8634

undertaker fan 88 wrote: »

Very brave on a forum saying it didn't happen as my dad lies in hospital I hope you rot in hell ya evil person

I don't think this is the place for you for the moment

Get your account suspended for a few weeks and come back when your Dad has recovered, you'll drive yourself mad here listening to us eejits

All the best to your Dad

Jim_Hodge

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

1200 cases, and maybe 10 times that never tested, just told by a doctor stay home and isolate, and maybe 10 times that walking around not knowing they have it,
so 120,000 cases today then .

This old crap again. Yesterday a poster suggested one in 500 people in the country caught the virus that day, the say before someone thought it was 1 in 600 succumbed that day. Now you think 1 in every 40 people for today. Who's left to catch it at that rate? A month would gave 100% of the country.

embraer170

jackboy wrote: »

The shopping is not causing the spike. It is people indoors without masks. So, that is homes, parties, some workplaces, schools etc. Parties I suspect are a big contributor.

I think that’s not all that clear. Even the Netherlands closed non essential retail recently.

It’s possible that shopping is not very high risk in itself but every single social contact matters (and there’s plenty of those when out shopping).

Roger_007

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

1200 cases, and maybe 10 times that never tested, just told by a doctor stay home and isolate, and maybe 10 times that walking around not knowing they have it,
so 120,000 cases today then .

Maths is obviously not your strong point?

Wolf359f

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

1200 cases, and maybe 10 times that never tested, just told by a doctor stay home and isolate, and maybe 10 times that walking around not knowing they have it,
so 120,000 cases today then .

Any evidence to that at all or just random figures you're using? Also would that apply to all cases during this pandemic? Of course your magic 10x figure would change with positivity rate. So 5% positivity rate misses 10x cases, stands to reason 25% positivity rate would be missing 50x the cases. Christ there would be plenty of countries with over 100% infected if your figures are to be believed.

niallo27

Roger_007 wrote: »

Maths is obviously not your strong point?

Why 1200 x 10 x 10

mike8634

250 in hospital
25 in ICU

Serious question

Would we have noticed if Covid was here last Dec 26th 2019 with those stats?

My wife Nurse in UHL thinks not

She and colleagues have seen much worse less flu seasons

What ye think?

I tend to agree, but how did it take us March 2020 to notice Covid?

How did it possibly stay in Wuhan for 4 months from Nov to March, when the UK strain came arrived here 4 days later?

Makes no sense that Covid wasnt here last December

bb1234567

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

1200 cases, and maybe 10 times that never tested, just told by a doctor stay home and isolate, and maybe 10 times that walking around not knowing they have it,
so 120,000 cases today then .

Some info to support your point or else give over. Sick of seeing this unsubstanitated stuff day in day out, 10 months in and still same old nonsense trotted out

If we are missing 90% of cases with a 5% positivity rate then European countries with positivity rates in the region of 20% are seeing millions or tens of millions of cases a week. if there were that many infected there would be no continuing resurgence of COVID

jackboy

embraer170 wrote: »

I think that’s not all that clear. Even the Netherlands closed non essential retail recently.

It’s possible that shopping is not very high risk in itself but every single social contact matters (and there’s plenty of those when out shopping).

Yeah but the risk is probably tiny compared to gatherings with no mask wearing.

UrbanFret

IrishHomer wrote: »

Never thought bookies shops are essential?

Local shop today was packed.

Bizarre in my opinion

Of course its essential.At least to those who want to have a bet on one of the biggest days of racing traditionally.;)

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

Why 1200 x 10 x 10

The 10 x 10 is horsesh*t however, no basis in reality. If we take those numbers and apply it to the entire pandemic in Ireland you get 8.4 million. See the problem?

GooglePlus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The 10 x 10 is horsesh*t however, no bases in reality. If we take those numbers and apply it to the entire pandemic in Ireland you get 8.4 million. See the problem?

It's all over!

Roger_007

niallo27 wrote: »

Why 1200 x 10 x 10

There have been 85,000 cases since the pandemic started. By your method of calculation that means that the real total number of positive cases so far is 85,000 x 10 x 10.
That makes 8,000,000 altogether, ( out of a population of 5,000,000).

That’s why.

lukas8888

IrishHomer wrote: »

Never thought bookies shops are essential?

Local shop today was packed.

Bizarre in my opinion

Have i missed an announcement,NPHET recommended non essential retail close from today,but no decision taken yet by government.

Cluedo Monopoly

mike8634 wrote: »

250 in hospital
25 in ICU

Serious question

Would we have noticed if Covid was here last Dec 26th 2019 with those stats?

My wife Nurse in UHL thinks not

She and colleagues have seen much worse less flu seasons

What ye think?

I tend to agree, but how did it take us March 2020 to notice Covid?

How did it possibly stay in Wuhan for 4 months from Nov to March, when the UK strain came arrived here 4 days later?

Makes no sense that Covid wasnt here last December

This is a press release from the INMO on November 30th 2019.

https://www.inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13549

It shows how bad successive FG and FF governments allowed the health service to become.

2019 has seen the highest number of patients on trolleys in any year since records began – despite it still being November.

As of today, 108,364 people have gone without beds in 2019 so far – breaking 2018’s record high of 108,227, with a full month left to go in the year.

The INMO is calling for extra staffing and an increase in hospital, homecare, and community capacity to deal with the problem.

The union has invoked health and safety laws for staff, writing to the Health and Safety Authority and HIQA, seeking their intervention.

In 2019 so far, the worst-affected hospitals are:

• University Hospital Limerick: 12,810
• Cork University Hospital: 10,136
• University Hospital Galway: 7,409
• South Tipperary General Hospital: 6,383
• University Hospital Waterford: 5,875
• Mater Misericordiae University Hospital, Dublin: 5,572

“Winter has only just begun and the record is already broken. These statistics are the hallmark of a wildly bureaucratic health service, which is failing staff and patients alike.

“We take no pleasure in having to record these figures for a decade and a half. We know the problem, but we also know the solutions: extra beds in hospitals, safe staffing levels, and more step-down and community care outside of the hospital.


“No other developed country faces anything close to this trolley problem. It can be solved, but a strong political agenda to drive change is needed.

spookwoman

JP Liz V1

Would a night time curfew from 8pm work here like NI are doing, stop house parties etc.,

mike8634

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

This is a press release from the INMO on November 30th 2019.

https://www.inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13549

It shows how bad successive FG and FF governments allowed the health service to become.

Good read ;-)

A bomb could have went off in UHL last winter and they wouldn't have noticed

Hire clowns, get a circus

HSE

jackboy

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Would a night time curfew from 8pm work here like NI are doing, stop house parties etc.,

No because we wouldn’t enforce it.

embraer170

jackboy wrote: »

Yeah but the risk is probably tiny compared to gatherings with no mask wearing.

There is still a lot of contradictory information on the risks faced when shopping.

Many shops are incredibly poorly ventilated. Outlets such as M&S with large open fridge areas create cold air flows that are very conductive to spreading COVID (similar environment to slaughterhouses).

I would like to have seen more scientific studies on the risk of shopping (and how those can be managed) but there hasn’t been a whole lot so far.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

The 10 x 10 is horsesh*t however, no basis in reality. If we take those numbers and apply it to the entire pandemic in Ireland you get 8.4 million. See the problem?

Roger_007 wrote: »

There have been 85,000 cases since the pandemic started. By your method of calculation that means that the real total number of positive cases so far is 85,000 x 10 x 10.
That makes 8,000,000 altogether, ( out of a population of 5,000,000).

That’s why.

It's not my method, I'm just saying where 120k came from.

wadacrack

Israel's exit strategy

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1342792733400952834