Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2020/2021

jester77

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

Mourinho sacked by Spurs. It's all kicking off haha

He really must not approve of this new Super League.

Very strange timing, must be lining someone like Nagelsmann before Bayern make the jump

wonga77

I dislike Jose but what in the hell are they sacking him for a few days before a cup final?
Its top banter

keano_afc

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

Mourinho sacked by Spurs. It's all kicking off haha

Specialist in failure.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

keano_afc wrote: »

Specialist in failure.

Even the special one couldn't win a trophy with that mob.

Hilarious.

Soups123

Having had a night to mull over what it is we know. It really is sickening. This sells out the fan base and smacks of the Kroenke’s approach to the club and its fans the last 20 years.

I really don’t think this is a publicity stunt, I think they are gung-ho for this and it’ll be on the FA etc to try stop it but the financial rewards for staying on it are too big to pull away.

I really don’t know where you go from here

Jmac24128

Always thought it was nuts of that crowd to get rid of poch in the first place.

Monkeys running the nuthouse is the case with all these clubs now.

Ol' Donie

Soups123 wrote: »

Having had a night to mull over what it is we know. It really is sickening. This sells out the fan base and smacks of the Kroenke’s approach to the club and its fans the last 20 years.

I really don’t think this is a publicity stunt, I think they are gung-ho for this and it’ll be on the FA etc to try stop it but the financial rewards for staying on it are too big to pull away.

I really don’t know where you go from here

Kroenke is shooting himself in the foot here, if this "legacy" fans thing is true.

Because new fans who attach themselves to a superclub do it for one single reason - they are winning.

There aren't millions of new fans anywhere who think hmm, I've no attachment to any of these giant clubs, I think the ones who never challenge for anything are the one for me.

Soups123

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Kroenke is shooting himself in the foot here, if this "legacy" fans thing is true.

Because new fans who attach themselves to a superclub do it for one single reason - they are winning.

There aren't millions of new fans anywhere who think hmm, I've no attachment to any of these giant clubs, I think the ones who never challenge for anything are the one for me.

This is why I think we are fckd. The owners of Arsenal, Liverpool and United know that if this doesn’t materialise the fan base is going to turn hard, most likely make it intolerable and I think you’d see great boycott efforts that the immaterial stuff done before.

To go this far they have had to be certain.

Not having a dig but City and Chelsea owners won’t feel that heat.

Spurs there fan base seems a little more open to this (although that may prove to be wrong). Levi won’t come under pressure either way

I think this is nailed on to happen

cashback

darego wrote: »

am I the only one who is happy and excited about this if it does end up happening?

yes

Jmac24128

I read all morning about this league and have decided that I official will unfollow Arsenal on all social media. Can't support the rich getting richer.

Lucky enough I still have cork city who haven't joined a disgusting greed league.

Ol' Donie

Jmac24128 wrote: »

Didn't see the second half of the match yesterday so just say the highlights now. Was there actually contact for that penalty, looks so soft to me.

About the super League I know nothing about it and don't care. It's apparently just a stunt to get more money off uefa.

Just on this second point again, that doesn't really stand up as a reason for us, since we don't get any Champions Leqgur money at all beecause we have managed ourselves out of that competition.

djan

I don't think the Super League will happen as the local FA's would not let it get through. The thought of getting destroyed by the A-tier clubs on a weekday basis is not fun.

Hyzepher

I think the owners of these clubs care about football, just profit. They won't care if they are kicked out of other leagues/competitions. If the owners are let have their way, they won't care of the consequences domestically

This has a way to run yet

robbie1876

I think the Super League will suit the mentality of our 'senior' players just fine. They are already playing as if there are no consequences for them. The effort levels required in the Super League will be less than what will be required of them for the EL and they will get paid more. A win-win.

Soups123

djan wrote: »

I don't think the Super League will happen as the local FA's would not let it get through. The thought of getting destroyed by the A-tier clubs on a weekday basis is not fun.

The FAs can’t stop it. They can impose expulsion from PL but that hurts them way more, they’ll kill what would be left of the league.

If they press ahead like they are they’ll force the FAs to make that call and they’ll know it would kill the PL more to kick them out financially.

Let’s not confuse a lot of the PL, Sky, UEFA, Fifa outrage, there’s is all because they could lose there cash cow

Fans are the only real losers and the decent clubs left behind

Quazzie

Soups123 wrote: »

Fans are the only real losers and the decent clubs left behind

How are fans the losers in this though. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see how Arsenal fans are losing out. If anything they will gain because there will be more high level games to watch, and even go see.

Ol' Donie

https://mobile.twitter.com/MesutOzil1088/status/1384100211815976960

Quazzie

Ol' Donie wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/MesutOzil1088/status/1384100211815976960

I'm sure most players didn't dream of being constantly injured in a second rate league like Turkey.

Quazzie

Quazzie wrote: »

I'm sure most players didn't dream of being constantly injured in a second rate league like Turkey.

Virtue signalling from a man who stole a living from Arsenal for 7 and a half years. Odegaard and Smith Rowe done more for the club in one game than this guy did, since he signed his bumper deal to his departure

darego

darego wrote: »

am I the only one who is happy and excited about this if it does end up happening?

Yes, probably

Soups123

Quazzie wrote: »

How are fans the losers in this though. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see how Arsenal fans are losing out. If anything they will gain because there will be more high level games to watch, and even go see.

Because I am a supporter of Arsenal and it’s sporting efforts and not it’s bank balance, because this is a sport and there is no sport in a league where you always guaranteed your place. Because for the average fan away games will be all around Europe and mid week making it unbelievable expensive to follow, because games will be set to suit Asia and American audiences and I’d expect games to be sent there.

Because this wasn’t done picking the top performing teams it picked clubs who can possibly generate the most cash. For every new player we can buy the others can do the same and more with the owners they have.

Because the Kroenkes can sit there year on year out make minimal effort and reap huge rewards and getting them out will be impossible

I could go on but I won’t

Soups123

Soups123 wrote: »

Because I am a supporter of Arsenal and it’s sporting efforts and not it’s bank balance, because this is a sport and there is no sport in a league where you always guaranteed your place. Because for the average fan away games will be all around Europe and mid week making it unbelievable expensive to follow, because games will be set to suit Asia and American audiences and I’d expect games to be sent there.

Because this wasn’t done picking the top performing teams it picked clubs who can possibly generate the most cash. For every new player we can buy the others can do the same and more with the owners they have.

Because the Kroenkes can sit there year on year out make minimal effort and reap huge rewards and getting them out will be impossible

I could go on but I won’t

I don't understand the logic in some of that. There are plenty of sports that exist in a league that don't have promotion and relegation, and they're still sports. Some are the elite competitions of their sport in the world.

All around Europe and midweek is exactly the same as the Champion's League, so I don't know what the issue is there. Fans don't have to go to every single game, so only go to whatever you can afford.

I'm not sure where you get the thing about the American and Asian audiences, I haven't read anything other than that they would be scheduled for midweek. What times have you read that they will be playing to suit these audiences?

At the end of the day, I don't really care. The Premier League will always be the main competition as far as I'm concerned, and as long as these teams are still in that then I don't see the issue from an Arsenal perspective. Better for them to be involved than not (although maybe we'd have a better chance at the Champion's League eventually with all these teams removed )

darego

Basil3 wrote: »

I don't understand the logic in some of that. There are plenty of sports that exist in a league that don't have promotion and relegation, and they're still sports. Some are the elite competitions of their sport in the world.

All around Europe and midweek is exactly the same as the Champion's League, so I don't know what the issue is there. Fans don't have to go to every single game, so only go to whatever you can afford.

I'm not sure where you get the thing about the American and Asian audiences, I haven't read anything other than that they would be scheduled for midweek. What times have you read that they will be playing to suit these audiences?

At the end of the day, I don't really care. The Premier League will always be the main competition as far as I'm concerned, and as long as these teams are still in that then I don't see the issue from an Arsenal perspective. Better for them to be involved than not (although maybe we'd have a better chance at the Champion's League eventually with all these teams removed )

Good post! I would also like to add that, Arsenal and Spurs should be the 2 happiest teams to get into this if it does go ahead. The money we would get from it would allow us to catch up to some of the best teams in Europe within a couple of years, instead of it taking us 10+ years playing catch up without it

Quazzie

Soups123 wrote: »

Because I am a supporter of Arsenal and it’s sporting efforts and not it’s bank balance, because this is a sport and there is no sport in a league where you always guaranteed your place.

Thanks for replying. As a support of Arsenal for a very long time, I always want to see us involved in the very top leagues. Be that the EPL, FA Cup or the Champions League. It's one of the reasons I don't really care that much about the Europa League, or the League Cup. I can relate to the sentiment regarding how unsporting it is to have no possibility of relegation, but this happens in many other sports and it does not affect competitiveness. I suppose from my point of view is I'd rather be in it, than out of it.

Soups123 wrote: »

Because for the average fan away games will be all around Europe and mid week making it unbelievable expensive to follow, because games will be set to suit Asia and American audiences and I’d expect games to be sent there.

I would consider myself the average fan. It's probably cheaper to go see Arsenal play Barcelona that it would be for me to go see them play Southampton away. There has been no mention of game times being moved to suit Asian/American audiences just but I can full understand why you think that might be coming also.

Soups123 wrote: »

Because this wasn’t done picking the top performing teams it picked clubs who can possibly generate the most cash. For every new player we can buy the others can do the same and more with the owners they have.

I think this is the only way Arsenal have a hope of competing with the likes of the other 12 names involved. It might mean we are still behind them overall, but at the moment we are behind plenty of other teams like Leicester for example in offereing European football, so this reverses that, which is a plus.

Soups123 wrote: »

Because the Kroenkes can sit there year on year out make minimal effort and reap huge rewards and getting them out will be impossible

They're doing that anyways. At least this way we are the 6th biggest team in England minimum instead of the current 9th/10th

Ol' Donie

darego wrote: »

Good post! I would also like to add that, Arsenal and Spurs should be the 2 happiest teams to get into this if it does go ahead. The money we would get from it would allow us to catch up to some of the best teams in Europe within a couple of years, instead of it taking us 10+ years playing catch up without it

How will we catch up if we are getting less money than the teams that presumably get the most from finishing higher than us from the start? Explain to me how that works?

If our owners have managed us to 9th in a league in which we have way more money than all but a handful of teams, what makes you think they'll be successful in a competition designed to allow them to fail with no consequences?

tayto lover

darego wrote: »

Good post! I would also like to add that, Arsenal and Spurs should be the 2 happiest teams to get into this if it does go ahead. The money we would get from it would allow us to catch up to some of the best teams in Europe within a couple of years, instead of it taking us 10+ years playing catch up without it

You really think that Arsenal would spend the extra money on players ?
I’d imagine Kronke will have a big smile on his face thinking of his next US venture.

Ol' Donie

And by the way, from a non Arsenal centric point of view, can I just say a European Super League without anyone from minor countries such as France and Germany is laughable.

darego

Ol' Donie wrote: »

How will we catch up if we are getting less money than the teams that presumably get the most from finishing higher than us from the start? Explain to me how that works?

If our owners have managed us to 9th in a league in which we have way more money than all but a handful of teams, what makes you think they'll be successful in a competition designed to allow them to fail with no consequences?

well I can tell you for a fact that we will catch up faster being in it than we would out of it

Soups123

Basil3 wrote: »

I don't understand the logic in some of that. There are plenty of sports that exist in a league that don't have promotion and relegation, and they're still sports. Some are the elite competitions of their sport in the world.

All around Europe and midweek is exactly the same as the Champion's League, so I don't know what the issue is there. Fans don't have to go to every single game, so only go to whatever you can afford.

I'm not sure where you get the thing about the American and Asian audiences, I haven't read anything other than that they would be scheduled for midweek. What times have you read that they will be playing to suit these audiences?

At the end of the day, I don't really care. The Premier League will always be the main competition as far as I'm concerned, and as long as these teams are still in that then I don't see the issue from an Arsenal perspective. Better for them to be involved than not (although maybe we'd have a better chance at the Champion's League eventually with all these teams removed )

Where though outside of American does it work look at at the very top level, so your inter country competitions etc.

I’m not a closed book with new ways but this would be an awful move. I do get the if it’s happening I want to be in it than not in it but with aspirations of what I think football needs to be it’s 1000% not this

omega man

Basil3 wrote: »

I don't understand the logic in some of that. There are plenty of sports that exist in a league that don't have promotion and relegation, and they're still sports. Some are the elite competitions of their sport in the world.

All around Europe and midweek is exactly the same as the Champion's League, so I don't know what the issue is there. Fans don't have to go to every single game, so only go to whatever you can afford.

I'm not sure where you get the thing about the American and Asian audiences, I haven't read anything other than that they would be scheduled for midweek. What times have you read that they will be playing to suit these audiences?

At the end of the day, I don't really care. The Premier League will always be the main competition as far as I'm concerned, and as long as these teams are still in that then I don't see the issue from an Arsenal perspective. Better for them to be involved than not (although maybe we'd have a better chance at the Champion's League eventually with all these teams removed )

Finally some logical reasoning.
Most (not all!) of the outraged comments I’ve seen are not very substantive in their arguments, just emotional rants. I’m on the fence to be honest and want to see more details.

Soups123

Quazzie wrote: »

Thanks for replying. As a support of Arsenal for a very long time, I always want to see us involved in the very top leagues. Be that the EPL, FA Cup or the Champions League. It's one of the reasons I don't really care that much about the Europa League, or the League Cup. I can relate to the sentiment regarding how unsporting it is to have no possibility of relegation, but this happens in many other sports and it does not affect competitiveness. I suppose from my point of view is I'd rather be in it, than out of it.


I would consider myself the average fan. It's probably cheaper to go see Arsenal play Barcelona that it would be for me to go see them play Southampton away. There has been no mention of game times being moved to suit Asian/American audiences just but I can full understand why you think that might be coming also.


I think this is the only way Arsenal have a hope of competing with the likes of the other 12 names involved. It might mean we are still behind them overall, but at the moment we are behind plenty of other teams like Leicester for example in offereing European football, so this reverses that, which is a plus.



They're doing that anyways. At least this way we are the 6th biggest team in England minimum instead of the current 9th/10th

I’ll not come back on it all but there is definitely a chase of the Asian and American market here. As I said above I get the I would rather be in the 6 than not but for me I just think it kills football.

Quazzie

Soups123 wrote: »

I’ll not come back on it all but there is definitely a chase of the Asian and American market here. As I said above I get the I would rather be in the 6 than not but for me I just think it kills football.

I 100% agree, and being honest I thought they would go down the route of 2 groups of ten, each playing each other home, away and neutral, so 27 games before the knockout stages. All neutral games to be held in venue which are in places like America and Asia. Flying two teams to China costs not a lot more than flying two teams to Greece (as happened this year) but the financial reward is much much greater.

omega man

It’s gas, some fans constantly want their clubs to “splash the cash” on top players but when it comes to huge commercial decisions like the super league it then becomes all about the love of the game and grassroots football. There’s a lot of hypocrisy going on.

darego

omega man wrote: »

It’s gas, some fans constantly want their clubs to “splash the cash” on top players but when it comes to huge commercial decisions like the super league it then becomes all about the love of the game and grassroots football. There’s a lot of hypocrisy going on.

100% :pac:

mossie

Quazzie wrote: »

I 100% agree, and being honest I thought they would go down the route of 2 groups of ten, each playing each other home, away and neutral, so 27 games before the knockout stages. All neutral games to be held in venue which are in places like America and Asia. Flying two teams to China costs not a lot more than flying two teams to Greece (as happened this year) but the financial reward is much much greater.

Yes that's what I expected too. Might yet happen if the respective Leagues actually expel the clubs.

darego

tayto lover wrote: »

You really think that Arsenal would spend the extra money on players ?
I’d imagine Kronke will have a big smile on his face thinking of his next US venture.

yes I do. one thing we have always been good at was spending within our means and this will only increase our budget

omega man

UEFA are livid. Great, I’m in now.

x PyRo

omega man wrote: »

It’s gas, some fans constantly want their clubs to “splash the cash” on top players but when it comes to huge commercial decisions like the super league it then becomes all about the love of the game and grassroots football. There’s a lot of hypocrisy going on.

Also the likes of Sky Sports and BT - the same crowds who tried charging 20 odd quid for supporters to watch their club play, even ignoring the huge monthly subscription charges - taking the moral high ground is hilarious. :pac:

Soups123

Soups123 wrote: »

Where though outside of American does it work look at at the very top level, so your inter country competitions etc.

I’m not a closed book with new ways but this would be an awful move. I do get the if it’s happening I want to be in it than not in it but with aspirations of what I think football needs to be it’s 1000% not this

Rugby and Rugby League would be like that in NZ and Aus. Both the pinnacle of their sports in the world. They still have domestic competitions with promotion/relegation, but the top level below international wouldn't operate that way.

European football competitions are just a major cash cow anyway. It's very little about football, and more about putting on as many matches as possible in as many far-flung parts of Europe as possible to bring in maximum revenue. Of course UEFA wouldn't be happy if someone wanted to challenge the status quo.

Soups123

darego wrote: »

well I can tell you for a fact that we will catch up faster being in it than we would out of it

We will catch up with the other PL teams maybe even a Spurs, but there’s about 8/10 teams that will blow us out of the water in the super league financially. So we’ll guarantee a top 6 on the PL but maybe lower table on the SL

It’s all relative

Ol' Donie

Soups123 wrote: »

We will catch up with the other PL teams maybe even a Spurs, but there’s about 8/10 teams that will blow us out of the water in the super league financially. So we’ll guarantee a top 6 on the PL but maybe lower table on the SL

It’s all relative

If we're allowed in the Premier League.

Also, in response to the how is this bad for fans question someone posted earlier, this means there's a title race, and then nothing. No 4th place trophy no incentive for a club who isn't challenging City to do anything at all. Does that sound like a good spectacle?

Arne_Saknussem

Ol' Donie wrote: »

If we're allowed in the Premier League.

Also, in response to the how is this bad for fans question someone posted earlier, this means there's a title race, and then nothing. No 4th place trophy no incentive for a club who isn't challenging City to do anything at all. Does that sound like a good spectacle?

If Everton were to win the league and be given one of the 5 performance based places in the ESL and against the odds went on to win the thing, we could theoretically lose every game in the ESL, get relegated from the Prem and not only would we still be in the ESL the following season but our 'Prize Money' for the ESL would dwarf that of Evertons.

It stinks to high heaven.

Soups123

omega man wrote: »

It’s gas, some fans constantly want their clubs to “splash the cash” on top players but when it comes to huge commercial decisions like the super league it then becomes all about the love of the game and grassroots football. There’s a lot of hypocrisy going on.

It’s not hypocritical. There is a whole lot more going on here than having money to buy better player’s. If you want to sell it that way and that’s all that matters good for you

Shoelaces

The clubs have ALL the power.

They can decide the terms. I think they ll get their demands. No way will they ban the biggest clubs from competing in their leagues. Empty threats to save face. To be honest the posturing from pundits and some sections of fans is pathetic. Lads talking about unfollowing a club, getting plaques removed from the ground. Cringey.

People earning millions commenting on an organisation that directly lead to this situation. It's all so laughable. UEFA and Fifa are the most corrupt scum going. Nobody in any level of top level football is in any position to take a moral high ground on football.

There is a world cup in Quatar. 3 of the 4 teams in the Champions League final are owned by Oil money and one a Kings team.

Presidents arrested for corruption. Pointless international friendlies, Nations league. Clubs making a mockery of FFP and transfer bans being lifted.

Football footballing. Get on with it.

It's like a woke pile on you see when someone is cancelled on Twitter with the pundits. Awh it's awful think of the fans. Most fans go to maybe one match a year if not a season ticket holder. Sky Sports charged people 16e to watch a live match during lockdown.

Why would anyone be shocked or upset this has happened. It's a ****ing miracle it hasn't happened already.

UEFA and Fifa siphon billions out of the game each year on hidden Admin and backhanders. We only need to look at our own John Delaney to see what it's like in these circles.

Laughing out loud at Didi Hamann claiming that Liverpool are a working mans club. How deluded are these people that they can say these things with a straight face. Hes quoting Shankly now.

It's like Jay Z protecting a Humvee range with a quote from Martin Luther King.

That's not picking on Liverpool either, Arsenal fans on Twitter today have been embarrassing, Gary Neville yesterday. Chelsea have kept quiet and Spurs are such a joke it's ridiculous they are there. Arsenal made the right decision to join. Its gonna happen, getting early and have a place at the table.

Ol' Donie

Just because most football administrators are slimy fùckers, it doesn't mean this is any less of a cynical unsporting anti competitive money grab.

Barlett

Well it gives Kroenke more reason to hang on as owner, I wonder how long it'll be before we get sick of finishing 8/9/10th every season in this new ESL. From Premier League also rans to the whipping boys of the ESL. Very exciting indeed.

PopePalpatine

I for one can't wait until someone goes viral in a couple of years' time for screaming "YOU ARE FACTORY OF SADNESS!" at the Emirates.

FixitFelix

Ol' Donie wrote: »

And by the way, from a non Arsenal centric point of view, can I just say a European Super League without anyone from minor countries such as France and Germany is laughable.

Read somewhere that Bayern and Psg will follow and join as the CL will be seen as the inferior competition and the TV money will fall substantially. Plus they risk losing players who want to play in the top competition. Which with with teams involved it looks like being.

DvB

FixitFelix wrote: »

Read somewhere that Bayern and Psg will follow and join as the CL will be seen as the inferior competition and the TV money will fall substantially. Plus they risk losing players who want to play in the top competition. Which with with teams involved it looks like being.

Whatever about Bayern Munich who still will be impacted by the51% rule in the bundesliga, I cant see PSG's owners opting out if the UCL money drops off a cliff. They'll be gone to the SL without so much as a glance back at the French league.

FixitFelix

DvB wrote: »

Whatever about Bayern Munich who still will be impacted by the51% rule in the bundesliga, I cant see PSG's owners opting out if the UCL money drops off a cliff. They'll be gone to the SL without so much as a glance back at the French league.

Yeah fair point