Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2020/2021

jonneymendoza

wonga77 wrote: »

Still waiting for a response to my question Jonney.

which question?

jonneymendoza

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Yup many are.

You honestly think xhaka would play any better? Infact his played better under arteta then he ever did with emery and wenger LOL.

Lets look at other players:

Leno- playing as well as he has ever done
Bellerine- Playing to the level he normally does, not good and average at best
Mustafi- Actually playing better under arteta vs emery
Willian- Hard to tell, he just came into the club
Saka- Playing his level
Willock- average
Aubameyang- only player to have regressed
Lacazzete? - PLease, his been **** even under emery and Wenger
Kos- again, always been a crap player
Pep- bro again!! a crap player playing crap as always .

You see, bar Aubameyang, the rest have not regressed under Arteta!

Our opinions couldn't be any different. I do wonder whether you watch the same team as I do.

Mind you, if you think Koscielny is still playing for us, you're truly lost

jonneymendoza

Basil3 wrote: »

Our opinions couldn't be any different. I do wonder whether you watch the same team as I do.

Mind you, if you think Koscielny is still playing for us, you're truly lost

Kolasinac

jonneymendoza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqanDZz-8lI&t=182s

wonga77

wonga77 wrote: »

Is this faith in Arteta all based on the fact that pep rates him? I'm really curious as he has never managed anywhere before so I don't know how you can be so confident in him, like what's the confidence based on?

Come on jonney, enlighten me

jonneymendoza

wonga77 wrote: »

Come on jonney, enlighten me

Its based on pep, how he presents himself and talk, and and how terrible the squad is

wonga77

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Its based on pep, how he presents himself and talk, and and how terrible the squad is

So basically nothing more than a gut feeling. Cool

jonneymendoza

OmegaGene wrote: »

Over weekend some stories emerged with vague talk of factions and players being unhappy, but while Arteta admits there are some issues, he puts it down to results, and is looking for the right kind of characters to show a positive response.

“The atmosphere are the club is as good as it can be when we are all hurting,” he said.

“Because results in the Premier League are hurting, everybody’s worried and everybody’s suffering at the moment because we want much more. We are working to get much more.

“In the dressing room when you are losing football matches, it’s difficult because they suffer as well because they care, because they want more, because the confidence levels start to go through … but the unity is there.

“Is it 100% unity around the club? It’s impossible in any club, even when you win because players that aren’t participating … it’s more difficult.”

Asked how he responded during his playing days when his teams were going through difficult times, Arteta said, “I liked to look around me, whether it’s staff, coach, or players, and I want to see fighters.

“Normally when that happens you have two types of people: fighters and victims. You just need fighters, you don’t want any victims.

“Victims bring excuses, victims bring negativity, and they start to blame everything that is happening around them, or that is not going for them.

“What you need is just people who fight, people who contribute, and people who are willing to give everything to the cause in these moments.”

You see, another indication that his a good manager and needs the players to step up

sonic85

Part of his fcuking job is supposed to be to turn "victims" into "fighters". Not write off large portions of the squad. Sounds like hes doing what he doesn't want the players to do - reaching for excuses

Quazzie

sonic85 wrote: »

Part of his fcuking job is supposed to be to turn "victims" into "fighters". Not write off large portions of the squad. Sounds like hes doing what he doesn't want the players to do - reaching for excuses

Nonsense. Arteta is saying what we've been all (Tayto especially) been saying for years, that the club needs more leaders. Every single pundits points this out. No amount of coaching is going to turn some of our players into leaders, and they need to thrown out of the club at the earliest possibility.

After reading that from Arteta, I am more behind him than ever.,

sonic85

Quazzie wrote: »

Nonsense. Arteta is saying what we've been all (Tayto especially) been saying for years, that the club needs more leaders. Every single pundits points this out. No amount of coaching is going to turn some of our players into leaders, and they need to thrown out of the club at the earliest possibility.

After reading that from Arteta, I am more behind him than ever.,

Excuses excuses. The squad hasn't been great for years but as bad as they are they're not 15th in the table bad. People can reach for whatever excuse will make them feel better about the situation and there are things going on behind the scenes that are affecting the team but Arteta is playing his part in the current malaise. He may be an excellent manager in future but it wont be at Arsenal

wonga77

It's a big test of Arteta, he has zero experience of being in this position. Even at City if there were any issues then it would fall to Pep. Not that City ever had anything like this. At City if fellas weren't pulling their weight then its easy to open the chequebook and replace them. That won't happen at Arsenal.
I like him, I respect him, I really hoped it would be a success story, I think in time he will have a successful managerial career as he seems a smart guy. However he's out of his dept at the moment. I don't blame him for taking the job, I blame the board for throwing such an inexperienced guy in at the deep end.
Time will tell I guess cause I don't think the board are going to remove him and I can't see massive ins or outs in January. I feel like we'll be having the same discussion in 3 months time

Quazzie

sonic85 wrote: »

Excuses excuses. The squad hasn't been great for years but as bad as they are they're not 15th in the table bad. People can reach for whatever excuse will make them feel better about the situation and there are things going on behind the scenes that are affecting the team but Arteta is playing his part in the current malaise. He may be an excellent manager in future but it wont be at Arsenal

It's funny how you can listen and read what every pundit says, what people inside the club are saying, and still determine that replacing Arteta will fix the problem. Did replacing Wenger fix it? Did replacing Emery fix it? No to both. The manager is not what has us in the position we are in, it's the players.

sonic85

Quazzie wrote: »

It's funny how you can listen and read what every pundit says, what people inside the club are saying, and still determine that replacing Arteta will fix the problem. Did replacing Wenger fix it? Did replacing Emery fix it? No to both. The manager is not what has us in the position we are in, it's the players.

Where did I say that replacing Arteta will fix the problem? Can you quote me saying that? No? It's because I didnt say it. What I will say is personally I dont think he has the required experience or know how to turn this around and sticking with him just for the sake of it wont end well. A loss against Chelsea coupled with Burnley winning their games in hand and Brighton winning their next game will see us in 17th. And it might well happen

Roddy23

See what I don’t get, is that Arteta has claimed we need fighters as opposed victims. Since he’s been appointed Coach/Manager he’s signed Soares, Willian, Mari, Runarrson, Gabriel, Partey. We’ve also renewed contracts for Luiz and Aubameyang.

Of the above players you’d probably only class Gabriel, Partey and Aubameyang as been up to scratch. All of the above were signed on his watch. I want him to succeed as when he first started seemed like a breath of fresh air. Sadly we’ve regressed, massively.

If we can’t beat Brighton at the end of the month he’s got to go. I can’t believe I’m typing this but that is our 6 pointer. You feel if we get a win we can push on and maybe climb the table again. It’s worrying times but I think not to give him some time to at least turn this around would be foolish.

jonneymendoza

sonic85 wrote: »

Excuses excuses. The squad hasn't been great for years but as bad as they are they're not 15th in the table bad. People can reach for whatever excuse will make them feel better about the situation and there are things going on behind the scenes that are affecting the team but Arteta is playing his part in the current malaise. He may be an excellent manager in future but it wont be at Arsenal

Take away aubameyang's goal and they are 15th best!!

You and many here said it last season!! That without aubameyangs goals, we would be in the bottom half of the table!!

jonneymendoza

Roddy23 wrote: »

See what I don’t get, is that Arteta has claimed we need fighters as opposed victims. Since he’s been appointed Coach/Manager he’s signed Soares, Willian, Mari, Runarrson, Gabriel, Partey. We’ve also renewed contracts for Luiz and Aubameyang.

Of the above players you’d probably only class Gabriel, Partey and Aubameyang as been up to scratch. All of the above were signed on his watch. I want him to succeed as when he first started seemed like a breath of fresh air. Sadly we’ve regressed, massively.

If we can’t beat Brighton at the end of the month he’s got to go. I can’t believe I’m typing this but that is our 6 pointer. You feel if we get a win we can push on and maybe climb the table again. It’s worrying times but I think not to give him some time to at least turn this around would be foolish.

We diddnt beat brighton last season or the season before mate so why you expecting us to beat them now?

Jmac24128

Don't worry lads, I asked the fat man in the red who is good for a favour this time of year for an extra special present this year.

An Arsenal win on Saint Stephen's day.

Ye are all very welcome.

Happy Christmas

Deeper Blue

jonneymendoza wrote: »

And when Arteta gets sacked, watch him take on a top job say barcelona or PSG and win big things there and show everyone why even Pep admires him

Leaving aside Pep for a second, based purely on the job he's been doing at Arsenal could you give me one reason why Barca or PSG would hire him? Genuine question

omega man

Arteta: "Last year we won against Everton with a 25% chance of winning, you win 3-2. Last weekend, it was a 67% chance of winning, any Premier League game in history, & a 9% chance of losing, and you lose. 3% against Burnley & you lose, 7% against Spurs, & you lose.

We’re doomed.

Ol' Donie

tayto lover wrote: »

Well lads we can rest assured that Spurs won’t be winning the title anytime soon.
They were nearly as bad as us today thankfully.
Not a lot of consolation but a little nonetheless.

They've gone from me being terrified that the worst thing ever could actually happen, to all of a sudden 1 win in the last 5 league games.

And that was against some real no hopers.

Ol' Donie

wonga77 wrote: »

It's a big test of Arteta, he has zero experience of being in this position. Even at City if there were any issues then it would fall to Pep. Not that City ever had anything like this. At City if fellas weren't pulling their weight then its easy to open the chequebook and replace them. That won't happen at Arsenal.
I like him, I respect him, I really hoped it would be a success story, I think in time he will have a successful managerial career as he seems a smart guy. However he's out of his dept at the moment. I don't blame him for taking the job, I blame the board for throwing such an inexperienced guy in at the deep end.
Time will tell I guess cause I don't think the board are going to remove him and I can't see massive ins or outs in January. I feel like we'll be having the same discussion in 3 months time

I still think he's going to be a very good manager.

However, the club putting a man with no experience whatsoever in charge of the split dressing room they created (& continue to maintain) is actual negligence.

I thought that Arteta quote was fake. Christ.

omega man

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I still think he's going to be a very good manager.

However, the club putting a man with no experience whatsoever in charge of the split dressing room they created (& continue to maintain) is actual negligence.

More likely he’ll end up managing a championship team or maybe some average European team, probably in Spain.
Maybe after a few years he’ll come good but not at Arsenal.

Azatadine

They better sort this out...

The Beautiful Game Podcast (@Podcast_TBG) Tweeted:
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It's pretty sad times that so much weight is being placed on the signing of a decent prospect. I remember when our team was much much better than this, and if a teenager was good enough he was in the first team, no question.

These days we're hoping a potentially good player might stay with us.

Alfred Borden

Looks like Burnley will win.

omega man

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Looks like Burnley will win.

I’m sure Arteta learned a lot from pep about the pressures of a relegation scrap.

Ol' Donie

omega man wrote: »

I’m sure Arteta learned a lot from pep about the pressures of a relegation scrap.

And a transfer budget of 15 Euro.

tayto lover

omega man wrote: »

Arteta: "Last year we won against Everton with a 25% chance of winning, you win 3-2. Last weekend, it was a 67% chance of winning, any Premier League game in history, & a 9% chance of losing, and you lose. 3% against Burnley & you lose, 7% against Spurs, & you lose.

We’re doomed.

He’s talking a lot of bull with those percentages.
Teams are letting us have the ball in areas where we pose no threat.
We only had 3 shots on target against Everton. Not a word about that.

wonga77

What kind of team does he put out tomorrow night? Go with the same as the Europa league and give guys a runout or put out the strongest team (whatever that is who knows) With so many games coming up i assume there will be many changes and City will do much the same.
Does this game count towards Xhakas suspension or do his 3 games need to be in the league?

Quazzie

OmegaGene wrote: »

Aubamyang is set to miss the game with the same injury

Seems a convenient time to be injured.

For the game against City, I would love to see Saliba start, along with Ozil, Sokratis and anyone else who has been thrown aside. I wouldn't waste a single first team player on this nonsensicla cup.

greendom

can

Quazzie wrote: »

Seems a convenient time to be injured.

For the game against City, I would love to see Saliba start, along with Ozil, Sokratis and anyone else who has been thrown aside. I wouldn't waste a single first team player on this nonsensicla cup.

Can Saliba and Ozil play? They're not registered for the Premier or Europa League. Not sure about the Carling Cup squad?

jonneymendoza

wonga77 wrote: »

What kind of team does he put out tomorrow night? Go with the same as the Europa league and give guys a runout or put out the strongest team (whatever that is who knows) With so many games coming up i assume there will be many changes and City will do much the same.
Does this game count towards Xhakas suspension or do his 3 games need to be in the league?

do a mix.

personally i would play the europa team in a league match

DenMan

The first thing I read this morning is that the club are in contract talks with Rob "backing off" Holding. He's still two years left on his contact.

DvB

I have finally reached the point where I have actually stopped caring, I genuinely felt nothing when hearing the FT score on Saturday and that actually saddens me. The 8 or 9 year old me would be stunned that there was ever a time I could have so little emotion invested in the team, but that's where we are. I have been drained of any emotion, even anger & frustration.

Couldn't care less what team he sticks out tonight, and it probably doesn't matter either.

CatInABox

:mad:https://twitter.com/TopBinsTalk/status/1341041203123539971

Seems this Sven Mislintat fellow does some good work, shame that we don't have someone like this at our club, maybe we should hire him?


:mad:

brianregan09

CatInABox wrote: »

:mad:https://twitter.com/TopBinsTalk/status/1341041203123539971

Seems this Sven Mislintat fellow does some good work, shame that we don't have someone like this at our club, maybe we should hire him?


:mad:

Can blame Raul Sanlehi for pushing him out the door , At least Ivan the terrible was on to something with him

DenMan

A thread was created yesterday about Arsenal and Arteta being done and was closed shortly after. Anyways on to tonight, who ever he put out tonight against City I hope they players have a good go at them. No humiliation if we go out tonight. :P

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

We need to play all kids tonight so when we inevitably get thrashed the excuses are ready.

DenMan

Martinelli starts up front tonight!

Soups123

Starting XI: Runarsson, Mustafi, Gabriel, Kolasinac, Maitland-Niles, Elneny, Ceballos, Cedric, Willock, Lacazette, Martinelli.

Subs: Leno, Tierney, Mari, Smith Rowe, Pepe, Balogun, Nketiah.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

DenMan wrote: »

Martinelli starts up front tonight!

Too soon.

Remember the days of Wenger when a player that was out with a long term injury was eased back in over a good few weeks?

Ardennes1944

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Getting ready for him to lead the promotion push next season I'd say

Balogun should be starting with Martinelli on the bench

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

If martenelli gets injured tonight...in lets face it a meaningless game Arteta can just piss off.

Quazzie

Listening to the pregame interview it looks like we're in for another evening listening to that bleeding pump droning on.

Ah, so that's what you do with a cross into the box

patrickc

What can you say eh

Quazzie

Mustafi is back. Although I don't think he understands he is playing because he was happy to sit back and watch Jesus get that one.