Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

Fredinho

honestbroker wrote: »

Maybe Keenan and Lowe should have held their depth?

Think that's unfair on both, i'm not the biggest fans of either but that's stretching things.

Interested Observer wrote: »

He should have given the ball to Sexton.

This is a fairer point Sexton was there for a simple hand off and could've put Keenan or Lowe away. Isn't the idea to suck defence in which was happening to allow the like of Keenan and Lowe overlaps and chances. CJ did neither.

Clegg

The IRFU have issued an injury update. Basically says we're fecked.

James Ryan will be unavailable for the weekend following his removal for a HIA and his return to play will be managed by Leinster.

Garry Ringrose has been ruled out of the England game with an ankle injury and will be further assessed by the Ireland and Leinster medical teams.

CMcsporty

Irelands attacking strategy...kick it across for a 50/50 and hope for the best.
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1371487869609594890?s=20

Eod100

Ah thats a double dose.

CMcsporty

"Henshow" has really stepped up his game. Would love to see a bit more from him as a distributer but he has locked down the 12 position.

Interested Observer

It's going to be Beirne into the second row and POM to 6, but if it's Beirne to the second row and POM to 6 I'm going to cry.

CMcsporty

Clegg wrote: »

The IRFU have issued an injury update. Basically says we're fecked.

So Henshaw/Aki midfield for England......

hahashake

Midfield and second row predictions for England?

Edit: see people are saying Beirne/Henderson and Aki/Henshaw...or is that Henshaw/Aki?

arsebiscuits1

hahashake wrote: »

Midfield and second row predictions for England?

It's a fairly easy prediction.

Farrell will pick players and people who've nailed their colours to the mast and think changing opinions is a character flaw will continue to whine

aloooof

hahashake wrote: »

Midfield and second row predictions for England?

Edit: see people are saying Beirne/Henderson and Aki/Henshaw...or is that Henshaw/Aki?

My prediction is: Beirne to the 2nd row, POM to 6, Aki to 12 with Henshaw to 13 and this place to be a sh*tshow for the week.

Henry Ford III

CMcsporty wrote: »

Irelands attacking strategy...kick it across for a 50/50 and hope for the best.
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1371487869609594890?s=20

Wasn't a great kick by any means

CMcsporty

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Wasn't a great kick by any means

No it wasnt. It shouldn't bounce in the in-goal area

the baby bull elephant

CMcsporty wrote: »

Irelands attacking strategy...kick it across for a 50/50 and hope for the best.
https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1371487869609594890?s=20

Kick is a good call there. Execution was off but if it's in the corner to Earls it's a try all day. DTH was sucked in way too far.

Dubinusa

No Ringrose!! NO RYAN! Jaysus! I reckon Aki at 12, Henshaw at 13. I would like to see
1. Healy
2. Herring
3. Porter, Furlong for bench impact
4. Dillane
5. Henderson
6. Beirne
7. Connors
8. Stander
9. JGP
10. Sexton
11. Larmour
12. Aki
13. Henshaw
14. Earls
15. Keenan

joficeduns1

Tough knocks for Ryan and Ringrose. Neither hit their best this tournament but have had flares of brilliance.

yerrahbah

The last time O'Mahony was drafted in at the last minute to play against England he did alright.

sebdavis

Dubinusa wrote: »

No Ringrose!! NO RYAN! Jaysus! I reckon Aki at 12, Henshaw at 13. I would like to see
1. Healy
2. Herring
3. Porter, Furlong for bench impact
4. Dillane
5. Henderson
6. Beirne
7. Connors
8. Stander
9. JGP
10. Sexton
11. Larmour
12. Aki
13. Henshaw
14. Earls
15. Keenan

I would prefer to see Farrell at 13 and Henshaw at 12
Or rest Henshaw who has played the entire tournament and put Aki at 12 but I doubt that will happen

With such a short turnaround they would be better to swap some of the forwards.

ionadnapokot

yerrahbah wrote: »

The last time O'Mahony was drafted in at the last minute to play against England he did alright.

I think he's a better player than he was even back then.
But Ryan is a loss against that English pack.
Baird is too raw to bring in at 6.
But POM wont have played in 6 weeks. Big ask.

Fredinho

sebdavis wrote: »

I would prefer to see Farrell at 13 and Henshaw at 12
Or rest Henshaw who has played the entire tournament and put Aki at 12 but I doubt that will happen

With such a short turnaround they would be better to swap some of the forwards.

I'd agree with Henshaw 12 and Farrell 13. Why move a player at the top of their form as Henshaw is to accommodate Aki. 12 13 access of Henshaw and Farrell s far better use of the resources we have available.

See a few suggest Beirne into second row and one person saying Dillane. Why would people not consider Baird? I get that maybe impact from him is better but if you're in the 23 and to be jumped when someone in the 15 drops out is a bit disconcerting.

TomsOnTheRoof

Henshaw to 13 would be great. His best position imo, provided he gets enough ball.

Sangre

Could shift Stander to 6 and bring Conan at 8. Can't see Dillane or Baird starting. Agree that POM will likely be coach's pick.

ionadnapokot

Sangre wrote: »

Could shift Stander to 6 and bring Conan at 8. Can't see Dillane or Baird starting. Agree that POM will likely be coach's pick.

That'll be the pick. POM on the bench

Fredinho

Sangre wrote: »

Could shift Stander to 6 and bring Conan at 8. Can't see Dillane or Baird starting. Agree that POM will likely be coach's pick.

I understand the logic and reasoning but with Beirne a multiple time POTM winner at 6, why would you disrupt what is going well. Why not bring in a second row and leave a back row that's working very well together in place.

aloooof

Fredinho wrote: »

I understand the logic and reasoning but with Beirne a multiple time POTM winner at 6, why would you disrupt what is going well. Why not bring in a second row and leave a back row that's working very well together in place.

Didn’t he get one when starting at 2nd row as well tho? Two of the games he played very well in were the 2nd row.

The Italy POTM, there seemed to be some confusion with Connors.

salmocab

aloooof wrote: »

Didn’t he get one when starting at 2nd row as well tho? Two of the games he played very well in were the 2nd row.

The Italy POTM, there seemed to be some confusion with Connors.

We really need to move past this player of the match stuff, it’s rarely given and everyone agrees anyway. It’s almost meaningless at this stage.

Richie_Rich89

Team to face England?

I think I would go with:

1. Cian Healy
2. Rob Herring
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Iain Henderson
5. Ryan Baird
6. Tadhg Beirne
7. Will Connors
8. Christiaan Johan Stander
9. Jamison Gibson-Park
10. Jonathan Sexton
11. James Lowe
12. Robbie Henshaw
13. James Hume
14. Keith Earls
15. Hugo Keenan

16. Ronan Kelleher
17. David Kilcoyne
18. Andrew Porter
19. Gavin Thornbury
20. Jack Conan
21. Conor Murray
22. Jack Carty
23. Jacob Stockdale

theVersatile

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Team to face England?

I think I would go with:

1. Cian Healy
2. Rob Herring
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Iain Henderson
5. Ryan Baird
6. Tadhg Beirne
7. Will Connors
8. Christiaan Johan Stander
9. Jamison Gibson-Park
10. Jonathan Sexton
11. James Lowe
12. Robbie Henshaw
13. James Hume
14. Keith Earls
15. Hugo Keenan

16. Ronan Kelleher
17. David Kilcoyne
18. Andrew Porter
19. Gavin Thornbury
20. Jack Conan
21. Conor Murray
22. Jack Carty
23. Jacob Stockdale

I will eat orange spuds boiled in piss if any of James Hume, Gavin Thornbury or Jack Carty are in the 23.

tgdaly

I don't think we need wholesale changes for England, apart from the enforced injuries I think one or 2 tweaks would make a huge difference to the team. I think it would be a big mistake to bring POM in, apart from how I rate him as a player he hasn't played in 6 weeks and the back 5 in the pack has gone ok.

I think Baird is well deserving of a shot to start now with Dillane on the bench. If the plan is to move Beirne back to 2nd row then Conan should come into the back row and maybe Ruddock on the bench

I think Lowe needs some time to go away and work on his defending, I think whatever about his long term prospects in green, they won't be helped by him being further exposed against England and the mental fallout of same on the player. There's temptation to throw Stockdale back in but I think Larmour should start and ease Stockdale back in from the bench.

Healy, Herring, Furlong
Baird, Henderson
Beirne, Stander, Connors
Gibson-Park, Sexton
Henshaw, Farrell
Larmour, Keenan, Earls

Kilcoyne, Kelleher, Porter, Dillane, Conan, Murray, Burns (although Carbury would be great!!), Stockdale

mfceiling

Nice Richie.

Always an oul curve ball from you!!

aloooof

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

8. Christiaan Johan Stander

Every time, Richard_Richardson89.