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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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    #6632
    CMcsporty
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    salmocab wrote: »
    Or to stir sh1t

    Zebo is a must to play FB this summer and/or autumn.......


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    #6633
    [Deleted User]
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    Dave Kearney will surely be called up ahead of Zebo on form


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    #6634
    The Inbetween is mine
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    I'm sure the fact that the IRFU are in part funding his wages with Munster means conversations have been had ...


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    #6635
    Clegg
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    Don't see the harm in bringing in Zebo if there's a summer tour. We don't actually have a capable back up for Keenan at the moment. Stockdale and Larmour were tried there and it didn't work out and the other options don't inspire.

    He'll be good to have as injury cover in the back three for a season or two.


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    #6636
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    A daily telegraph writer suggested Zebo for the lions a few weeks back.


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    #6637
    thegreycity
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    If Zebo hasn't pissed off the management team too much it'll be brilliant to be able to call on him, there shouldn't even be a debate about bringing him into a summer tour squad during a Lions year.


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    #6638
    ionadnapokot
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    I’d say Zebo will be playing LW for Munster.

    I would want him at FB myself.
    Either way I’m delighted to see him back and it’s a great option for Ireland to have.
    I would hope he gets into the summer squad because Farrell clearly doesn’t really rate Daly.


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    #6639
    thomond2006
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    thegreycity wrote: »
    If Zebo hasn't pissed off the management team too much it'll be brilliant to be able to call on him, there shouldn't even be a debate about bringing him into a summer tour squad during a Lions year.

    If Zebo had pissed off the management (the head of whom is no longer there) to the point where another cap wasn't on the table, there is no way the IRFU would co-fund this deal.


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    #6640
    The Inbetween is mine
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    I'm not going to speculate... but I have a feeling that Zebo has been brought back to replace Conway...
    but if I'm wrong...in the back 3, we can choose from Gallagher, Haley, Zebo, Conway, Daly, Nash, Coombes & Earls....that's tasty by anyone's standards


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    #6641
    Former Former Former
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    If Zebo had pissed off the management (the head of whom is no longer there) to the point where another cap wasn't on the table, there is no way the IRFU would co-fund this deal.

    Fair warning - I'm going to keep repeating this.

    ALL provincial contracts are co-funded. The first 110k is kicked in by central branch, after that, it's up to the province.

    The unusual thing about the Zebo deal is not that it's co-funded but that they all feel the need to clarify this.

    As for the summer tour. Bringing a 31 year old to Samoa and wherever would seem to be of limited value since there is an opportunity cost in not bringing a younger guy.

    But if Racing get to the latter stages of the Top 14 play-offs, he might not even be available.


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    #6642
    Interested Observer
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    The comments from JvG/officialdom are absolutely bizarre. Why are they telling us he's here on the cheap and Munster aren't footing the bill? Leinster haven't even been saying how long all these contract renewals are (which is another extreme).


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    #6643
    thomond2006
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    The comments from JvG/officialdom are absolutely bizarre. Why are they telling us he's here on the cheap and Munster aren't footing the bill? Leinster haven't even been saying how long all these contract renewals are (which is another extreme).

    Munster are transparent. Leinster are opaque. :D


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    #6644
    Squidgy Black
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    The comments from JvG/officialdom are absolutely bizarre. Why are they telling us he's here on the cheap and Munster aren't footing the bill? Leinster haven't even been saying how long all these contract renewals are (which is another extreme).

    Leinster have never said how long contracts are in fairness. I think JVG and the media team are just trying to get out ahead of any criticism over paying for another back three player instead of spending the cash on the front row, especially since the announcement for JJ and Sweetnam both had mentions of finances being tight


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    #6645
    Interested Observer
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Munster are transparent. Leinster are opaque. :D

    Yeah that is one way of looking at it. I find Leinster's lack of communication a bit annoying.


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    #6646
    thomond2006
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    Yeah that is one way of looking at it. I find Leinster's lack of communication a bit annoying.

    Leinster have done that for a few years I think. The central contracts from the IRFU which are announced seperately confirm contract lengths.

    Connacht did similar to Leinster recently: https://www.connachtrugby.ie/connacht-rugby-announce-contract-extensions-for-21-players/


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    #6647
    Mimon
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Munster are transparent. Leinster are opaque. :D

    Why bring Munster's porous defence into it?


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    #6648
    FACECUTTR
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    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    I'm not going to speculate... but I have a feeling that Zebo has been brought back to replace Conway...
    but if I'm wrong...in the back 3, we can choose from Gallagher, Haley, Zebo, Conway, Daly, Nash, Coombes & Earls....that's tasty by anyone's standards

    I know you have said you will not speculate but is he long term injured or is it something else ?


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    #6649
    CMcsporty
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    Former Former Former wrote: »
    Fair warning - I'm going to keep repeating this.

    ALL provincial contracts are co-funded. The first 110k is kicked in by central branch, after that, it's up to the province.

    The unusual thing about the Zebo deal is not that it's co-funded but that they all feel the need to clarify this.

    As for the summer tour. Bringing a 31 year old to Samoa and wherever would seem to be of limited value since there is an opportunity cost in not bringing a younger guy.

    But if Racing get to the latter stages of the Top 14 play-offs, he might not even be available.

    Where/when did you get that figure?


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    #6650
    Dubinusa
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    If Zebo goes to the left wing... if he performs , Lowe and Stockdale could be fecked! I think Lowe could be the lower from this.
    Shane Daly is probably not having a great afternoon.


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    #6651
    sydthebeat
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    CMcsporty wrote: »
    Where/when did you get that figure?


    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/busy-time-ahead-as-players-in-ireland-face-new-contract-discussions-1.4459677


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    #6652
    sebdavis
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    thegreycity wrote: »
    If Zebo hasn't pissed off the management team too much it'll be brilliant to be able to call on him, there shouldn't even be a debate about bringing him into a summer tour squad during a Lions year.

    I dont think Zebo pi**ed off the management. From Joe point of view it would seem Joe felt he had better options. He was playing/in squad till he signed for Racing.


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    #6653
    mfceiling
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    Dubinusa wrote: »
    If Zebo goes to the left wing... if he performs , Lowe and Stockdale could be fecked.

    Zebo 9 tries 35 caps Aged 31

    Stockdale 18 tries 34 caps Aged 25

    I wouldn't hold my breath on him being the Messiah.


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    #6654
    Former Former Former
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    CMcsporty wrote: »
    Where/when did you get that figure?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/busy-time-ahead-as-players-in-ireland-face-new-contract-discussions-1.4459677

    Edit; already answered, thanks


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    #6655
    CMcsporty
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/busy-time-ahead-as-players-in-ireland-face-new-contract-discussions-1.4459677

    So its down to approx 99k from the 110k Gerry Thornley figure of Jan is correct.


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    #6656
    sebdavis
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    mfceiling wrote: »
    Zebo 9 tries 35 caps Aged 31

    Stockdale 18 tries 34 caps Aged 25

    I wouldn't hold my breath on him being the Messiah.

    Lowe 1 try 6 caps Aged 28

    Larmour 7 tries 29 caps aged 23


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    #6657
    jacothelad
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    Do we reckon Zebo tours the Islands this Summer?


    Yes. North and South Uist are good. The beaches are sensational but Skye and Harris are glorious. Almost as good as West Cork.:D:D


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    #6658
    thomond2006
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    Age is against Zebo. He'll be 33 by the next RWC.

    If there is a tour in the summer I'd rather Ireland invested in someone like Baloucoune who could develop into an international.


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    #6659
    theVersatile
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    Earlsie is still our best winger 33 right now - I've no doubt Zebo may have similar longevity.
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    #6660
    Dubinusa
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    Imagine Lowe on one wing, zebo on the other and Stockdale at fb!!! The missed tackle count would be legendary! On top of that, Lowe and Zebo would give a masterclass of failing to hustle. Lol


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    #6661
    sydthebeat
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    Dubinusa wrote: »
    Imagine Lowe on one wing, zebo on the other and Stockdale at fb!!! The missed tackle count would be legendary! On top of that, Lowe and Zebo would give a masterclass of failing to hustle. Lol

    You've spent too long in the USA


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