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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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    #6782
    Former Former Former
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    And so ends the Age of Relative Peace. The Age of Zebo vs Lowe has begun. Great. Just bloody great.

    I honestly think it will be a short but bloody conflict. I don't think either of these guys are what Ireland need to move on and they'll be overtaken pretty soon.


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    #6783
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    molloyjh wrote: »
    And so ends the Age of Relative Peace. The Age of Zebo vs Lowe has begun. Great. Just bloody great.

    Ah look, it's not really going to happen..one is an overweight workshy showpony,
    .......the other is Simon Zebo

    :D


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    #6784
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    molloyjh wrote: »
    And so ends the Age of Relative Peace. The Age of Zebo vs Lowe has begun. Great. Just bloody great.

    Ah here, enjoy it. It won't last too long. Soon youse will be backing each other up, calling for the inclusion of both players as the Age of Stockdale, Baloucoune and Lowry/McIlroy dawns.


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    #6785
    Sangre
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    I am looking forward to the news of Rob Kearney's return to Leinster to settle the debate of Ireland's fullback once and for all. #4moreyears


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    #6786
    molloyjh
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Ah here, enjoy it. It won't last too long. Soon youse will be backing each other up, calling for the inclusion of both players as the Age of Stockdale, Baloucoune and Lowry/McIlroy dawns.

    I'm fully signed up to the Baloucoune hype train for the record. Lowry looks great, but probably a bit small for international level. I'd be totally okay with a Baloucoune-Stockdale-Keenan back 3 as it stands.


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    #6787
    aloooof
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    And so ends the Age of Relative Peace. The Age of Zebo vs Lowe has begun. Great. Just bloody great.

    Wait, all that POM stuff was relative peace???

    *unfollows thread*

    ;)


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    #6788
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I'm fully signed up to the Baloucoune hype train for the record. Lowry looks great, but probably a bit small for international level. I'd be totally okay with a Baloucoune-Stockdale-Keenan back 3 as it stands.

    I'd like to see Lowry given a crack. I completely understand folks' concerns, and wouldn't be overly shocked if he does simply prove too light, but I think he's earned the opportunity to be tested, if there is indeed a tour this summer.

    While Stockdale doesn't look as shell-shocked as he did in 2019, he's still not back to former glories. Baloucoune was Ulster's best wing last season.


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    #6789
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Sorry - needless to say, all three are better than Lowe and Zebo.

    #leavethethreadinthestateyoufoundit


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    #6790
    thomond2006
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    And so ends the Age of Relative Peace. The Age of Zebo vs Lowe has begun. Great. Just bloody great.

    Zebo returning to Ireland to teach Lowe how to tackle.


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    #6791
    salmocab
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Zebo returning to Ireland to reach Lowe how to tackle.

    If he reaches too low his pants will split


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    #6792
    thomond2006
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    salmocab wrote: »
    If he reaches too low his pants will split

    FFS, can't you give five seconds to edit?


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    #6793
    aloooof
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    I'd like to see Lowry given a crack. I completely understand folks' concerns, and wouldn't be overly shocked if he does simply prove too light, but I think he's earned the opportunity to be tested, if there is indeed a tour this summer.

    While Stockdale doesn't look as shell-shocked as he did in 2019, he's still not back to former glories. Baloucoune was Ulster's best wing last season.

    Farrell has been pretty willing to give new guys a go as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Lowry and Balacoune got game time ahead of Zebo or Lowe if there is a Summer tour.


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    #6794
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    FFS, can't you give five seconds to edit?

    Don't do it, Salmo.

    If you see any sort of inconsequential mistake, typo or slip-up, POUNCE.

    It's what the God of Forumming wants.


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    #6795
    Paul Smeenus
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    aloooof wrote: »
    Farrell has been pretty willing to give new guys a go as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Lowry and Balacoune got game time ahead of Zebo or Lowe if there is a Summer tour.

    Hope so.

    I think there's a number of exciting young players around the provinces that should be looked at.


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    #6796
    Sangre
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Don't do it, Salmo.

    If you see any sort of inconsequential mistake, typo or slip-up, PONCE.

    It's what the God of Forumming wants.

    The God of Forumming wants us to be ponces? That isn't very 2021.


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    #6797
    Paul Smeenus
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    Sangre wrote: »
    The God of Forumming wants us to be ponces? That isn't very 2021.

    Immediately thought of Withnail and I.


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    #6798
    salmocab
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Don't do it, Salmo.

    If you see any sort of inconsequential mistake, typo or slip-up, POUNCE.

    It's what the God of Forumming wants.

    Don’t worry I’ll continue to be vigilant over people’s minor mistakes.


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    #6799
    The Inbetween is mine
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    If...and I mean if...Tadhg Furlong leaves Ireland....is he as valuable to the Irish setup as Sexton in his prime...or does he fall into the "goodbye & thanks" brigade..and Porter steps in permanently.
    It would make sense of the new crusaders signing right enough.... interesting times ahead ...


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    #6800
    aloooof
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    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    If...and I mean if...Tadhg Furlong leaves Ireland....is he as valuable to the Irish setup as Sexton in his prime...or does he fall into the "goodbye & thanks" brigade..and Porter steps in permanently.
    It would make sense of the new crusaders signing right enough.... interesting times ahead ...

    For me, he's in the Sexton bracket. But I don't see him leaving.


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    #6801
    The Inbetween is mine
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    aloooof wrote: »
    For me, he's in the Sexton bracket. But I don't see him leaving.

    True...he can't leave if Porter is coming to Munster

    ;):)


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    #6802
    ClanofLams
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    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    If...and I mean if...Tadhg Furlong leaves Ireland....is he as valuable to the Irish setup as Sexton in his prime...or does he fall into the "goodbye & thanks" brigade..and Porter steps in permanently.
    It would make sense of the new crusaders signing right enough.... interesting times ahead ...

    Goodbye and good luck.

    I don’t see the Sexton deal ever being repeated (unless/until many more Irish players are abroad). Though I remember some on here suggesting exceptions might be made for Ian Madigan!

    Sexton also had clauses to allow him back for training camps that clubs very unlikely to offer again.


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    #6803
    sebdavis
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    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    If...and I mean if...Tadhg Furlong leaves Ireland....is he as valuable to the Irish setup as Sexton in his prime...or does he fall into the "goodbye & thanks" brigade..and Porter steps in permanently.
    It would make sense of the new crusaders signing right enough.... interesting times ahead ...

    If Furlong leaves because of money, he wanted to stay but they didn't want to pay his worth. Then serious questions will need to be asked why the likes of Sexton, Earls, POM etc got signed back up, especially if that money could have been used to resign Furlong


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    #6804
    sydthebeat
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    the Sexton deal CAUSED the policy

    so the situations could never be comparable


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    #6805
    dub_skav
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    I don't think Furling would leave his spuds to go abroad to be honest.


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    #6806
    sebdavis
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    dub_skav wrote: »
    I don't think Furling would leave his spuds to go abroad to be honest.

    Most said that about Sexton.

    His career is short, he just spent the guts of 12 months on the sidelines just to remind him. Every club in the World would love him, especially if he isn't going to be playing international rugby.
    French fans love a big scrum so he would be a PR persons dream. He would earn massive money, could ship over for 2 seasons and come back.


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    #6807
    theVersatile
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    If Furlong leaves because of money, he wanted to stay but they didn't want to pay his worth. Then serious questions will need to be asked why the likes of Sexton, Earls, POM etc got signed back up, especially if that money could have been used to resign Furlong

    Infairness, one thing Furlong has going against him in this scenario is that there's a ready made replacement for him right there in Porter. No such obvious superstar back up exists at 10 for Sexton or on the wing for Earls.

    I won't comment on the 7s for fear of opening and entirely different can of worms
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    #6808
    dub_skav
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    Most said that about Sexton.

    His career is short, he just spent the guts of 12 months on the sidelines just to remind him. Every club in the World would love him, especially if he isn't going to be playing international rugby.
    French fans love a big scrum so he would be a PR persons dream. He would earn massive money, could ship over for 2 seasons and come back.

    Oh I know there'd be a queue around the block for him and big money on the table.
    I just can't believe the IRFU would be stupid enough to proper low-ball him.
    Plus I think if he gets a reasonable offer he would stay.

    So, banking on the IRFU not being idiots really, hope my faith is justified


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    #6809
    Paul Smeenus
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    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    If...and I mean if...Tadhg Furlong leaves Ireland....is he as valuable to the Irish setup as Sexton in his prime...or does he fall into the "goodbye & thanks" brigade..and Porter steps in permanently.
    It would make sense of the new crusaders signing right enough.... interesting times ahead ...

    For me, given how good he is and how crucial a position he plays in, I'd still select him if he was playing abroad. Not many IQ players are going to think of themselves in the same bracket as Furlong; I don't think he'll inspire a diaspora if he still plays for Ireland.


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    #6810
    sebdavis
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    Infairness, one thing Furlong has going against him in this scenario is that there's a ready made replacement for him right there in Porter. No such obvious superstar back up exists at 10 for Sexton or on the wing for Earls.

    I won't comment on the 7s for fear of opening and entirely different can of worms

    Furlong is World Class. Just in his peak as a player
    Yes Porter is in the wings but is he as good as Furlong? is Porter going to switch sides as well?

    Sexton is 36
    Earls is 33
    No harm to the guys but they are well past peak and not going to make another WC.
    In regards to back row options, we have players across every province. Young and other with loads of experience. That is one position the IRFU have multiple options


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    #6811
    sebdavis
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    For me, given how good he is and how crucial a position he plays in, I'd still select him if he was playing abroad. Not many IQ players are going to think of themselves in the same bracket as Furlong; I don't think he'll inspire a diaspora if he still plays for Ireland.

    Problem is if he goes abroad he will be on huge money and will be playing every game possible. Why would they rest him? he would be flogged and that is not good for him or Ireland.

    If the IRFU let him go it would be a disaster in my opinion.


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