Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

sprucemoose

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

G'wan so!
The 15 most controversial / unlked Irish side....

I'd say Claw is a shoe in...for LH

claw
cronin/strauss
bent
kleyn
O'Cuinneagain (i know he was a back row)
quinlan
leamy
heaslip
chris saverimutto
anyone that wasn't from your own province/jackson
lowe
wallace
olding
stockdale
zebo/kearney

aloooof

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

G'wan so!
The 15 most controversial / unlked Irish side....

I'd say Claw is a shoe in...for LH

The "rage-attracting" 15. Backrow of Ruddock, POM and Heaslip (with POM at 7 for added rage).

Other shoo-in's would be Zebo, Lowe and Rob Kearney to round out the back 3 (with a nod to Geordan Murphy).

McFadden in there somewhere? Ross Byrne at 10?

aloooof

sprucemoose wrote: »

i was going to include him but in fairness......he was actually relatively poor in that game to be honest

Zebo, Lowe and Stockdale for the back three next season

With Larmour on the bench. It'd be entertaining at least! :pac:

Squidgy Black

aloooof wrote: »

The "rage-attracting" 15. Backrow of Ruddock, POM and Heaslip (with POM at 7 for added rage).

Other shoo-in's would be Zebo, Lowe and Rob Kearney to round out the back 3 (with a nod to Geordan Murphy).

McFadden in there somewhere? Ross Byrne at 10?

Earls at 13, not because people raged about Earls himself but anytime it was remotely suggested that he play 13 heads used to explode

The Inbetween is mine

aloooof wrote: »

The "rage-attracting" 15. Backrow of Ruddock, POM and Heaslip (with POM at 7 for added rage).

Other shoo-in's would be Zebo, Lowe and Rob Kearney to round out the back 3 (with a nod to Geordan Murphy).

McFadden in there somewhere? Ross Byrne at 10?

We have to find room for Luke Fitz?!

irishbucsfan

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

We have to find room for Luke Fitz?!

At 12 I'd say

Healy at 1, there's a fair few out there who he winds up.

Best at 2 I assume.

Buckley at 3

O'Callaghan for one of the second rows, there was a good while where certain fans accused him of being poor and debated his selections

dub_skav

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

We have to find room for Luke Fitz?!

Foreigner taking his spot works better :P

The Inbetween is mine

dub_skav wrote: »

Foreigner taking his spot works better :P

Throw him on the wing, with Zeebs on the other... sorted

sebdavis

Killer
Cronin
Bent
Kleyn
Roux
VDF
POM
Heaslip
Cooney
Sexton
Zebo
D Kearney(has to be included somewhere)
Earl(at 13 has to be included)
Stockdale
R Kearney

Of the last 10 years lets say this has to be the most controversial team knocking aroun

jacothelad

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

G'wan so!
The 15 most controversial / unlked Irish side....

I'd say Claw is a shoe in...for LH

I liked him. Never stepped back at a time when Ireland were poor.

Dave_The_Sheep

Cronin? What did Cronin do to piss in people's cornflakes?

AlmightyCushion

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Cronin? What did Cronin do to piss in people's cornflakes?

He pissed in my cornflakes.

Former Former Former

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Cronin? What did Cronin do to piss in people's cornflakes?

Or Van Der Flier?? In what way is he controversial?

Clegg

To this day I don't understand the criticism Heaslip took from certain sections. Nominated for World Player of the Year twice, a central figure in Grand Slam and Heineken Cup wins and 5 test caps for the Lions. In terms of the professional era he's in our top three players alongside BOD and POC.

Louis Friend

Clegg wrote: »

To this day I don't understand the criticism Heaslip took from certain sections. Nominated for World Player of the Year twice, a central figure in Grand Slam and Heineken Cup wins and 5 test caps for the Lions. In terms of the professional era he's in our top three players alongside BOD and POC.

Robert Kearney Esquire is on the phone...he has a bone to pick with you

Paul Smeenus

Trevor Brennan should be there.

It's astonishing that there's a raft of insanely spurious and flimsy reasons for not liking p!ayers from other provinces that people lose the rag over, yet a "warrior" beats up a supporter of another province, gets his da to invent spurious tales of sectarianism to try and gutllessly wriggle off the hook, and people are like, "JeaN KLeYn iS FRoM SoUTh AfRiCa!!!"

swiwi_

Clegg wrote: »

To this day I don't understand the criticism Heaslip took from certain sections. Nominated for World Player of the Year twice, a central figure in Grand Slam and Heineken Cup wins and 5 test caps for the Lions. In terms of the professional era he's in our top three players alongside BOD and POC.

You’re supposed to suggest a divisive 15 not start yet another debate about players put forward…

jacothelad

Clegg wrote: »

To this day I don't understand the criticism Heaslip took from certain sections. Nominated for World Player of the Year twice, a central figure in Grand Slam and Heineken Cup wins and 5 test caps for the Lions. In terms of the professional era he's in our top three players alongside BOD and POC.

100%. Fantastic player and leader. He had a great aura about him.

sprucemoose

Clegg wrote: »

To this day I don't understand the criticism Heaslip took from certain sections. Nominated for World Player of the Year twice, a central figure in Grand Slam and Heineken Cup wins and 5 test caps for the Lions. In terms of the professional era he's in our top three players alongside BOD and POC.

i dont think its to do with him as a player really, in fairness he was fantastic until very near the end and as noted was incredibly successful, i think its more to do with how his final irfu contract was handled being the reason that hes disliked/controversial (although not really his fault).

irishbucsfan

sprucemoose wrote: »

i dont think its to do with him as a player really, in fairness he was fantastic until very near the end and as noted was incredibly successful, i think its more to do with how his final irfu contract was handled being the reason that hes disliked/controversial (although not really his fault).

He was disliked long before that by certain fans on here

aloooof

Here we go again :pac:

Former Former Former

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Trevor Brennan should be there.

It's astonishing that there's a raft of insanely spurious and flimsy reasons for not liking p!ayers from other provinces that people lose the rag over, yet a "warrior" beats up a supporter of another province, gets his da to invent spurious tales of sectarianism to try and gutllessly wriggle off the hook, and people are like, "JeaN KLeYn iS FRoM SoUTh AfRiCa!!!"

Ah Trevor, the lovable rogue, old school, sure they don't make them like that any more...

The Inbetween is mine

I disliked quite a few players over their absolute whoring of nandos on social media ... they'd sell their souls for a bit of free chicken

sprucemoose

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He was disliked long before that by certain fans on here

that was probably just eddie o sullivan giving out about the white boots

Interested Observer

Clegg wrote: »

To this day I don't understand the criticism Heaslip took from certain sections. Nominated for World Player of the Year twice, a central figure in Grand Slam and Heineken Cup wins and 5 test caps for the Lions. In terms of the professional era he's in our top three players alongside BOD and POC.

He's in the elite tier of Irish players of the pro era, alongside the likes of POC/SOB/BOD/ROG, and anyone who doesn't rate him does not have a rashers.

irelandrover

When he started he made a lot of very visible carries. This changed over time to doing a lot of unseen work. To a casual observer it appeared he was no longer worth his place in the team.

Former Former Former

Here's my XV of players who've caused the most grief on boards.ie during my time posting here;

1. Denis Buckley - WHAT MORE DOES HE HAVE TO DO?
2. Duncan Casey - completely forgotten now but there were bitter, bitter rows with many people convinced he was the future at hooker.
3. Michael Bent - nuff said
4. Gerbrandt Grobler - drugs cheat/he's done his time/IRFU hyprocrisy/deserves a chance - a goldmine
5. Donnacha Ryan - not his fault but a cause celebre for the tinfoil hat brigade over his last contract
6. Peter O'Mahony - a top-quality player who nevertheless generates huge outrage simply by being picked
7. Sean O'Brien - well, he did piss on a guy
8. Jamie Heaslip - one of our greatest ever players, or 'Houdini', depending on your perspective.
9. Conor Murray - head and shoulders above all his rivals, yet still generates endless debate
10. Paddy Jackson - for off-field reasons obviously
11. Simon Zebo - nuff said
12. Bundee Aki - I DON'T REMEMBER ANYONE GIVING <insert project player from other province> THIS AMOUNT OF GRIEF
13. Jared Payne - I DON'T REMEMBER ANYONE GIVING <insert project player from other province> THIS AMOUNT OF GRIEF
14. Dave Kearney - see Kearney, Rob
15. Rob Kearney - see Kearney, Dave

Paul Smeenus

Former Former Former wrote: »

Ah Trevor, the lovable rogue, old school, sure they don't make them like that any more...

That was exactly the attitude in a recent 42 article.

sebdavis

Clegg wrote: »

To this day I don't understand the criticism Heaslip took from certain sections. Nominated for World Player of the Year twice, a central figure in Grand Slam and Heineken Cup wins and 5 test caps for the Lions. In terms of the professional era he's in our top three players alongside BOD and POC.

He was
1. Good looking
2. Successful
3. Played for Leinster

The 3 main reasons why people hated him. How he played on the pitch had nothing to do with it

sprucemoose

Former Former Former wrote: »

7. Sean O'Brien - well, he did piss on a guy

still cant understand how this wasn't a bigger thing at the time, absolutely despicable stuff