Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

The Inbetween is mine

I think the important question we all have to ask ourselves after this afternoon's game is.......

Chiefs or Buccs?

Louis Friend

Murray and Sexton weren’t “crap” today.

Both played pretty well.

Clegg

Sexton's defence is still top notch, but the creative side of his game has gone to pot. At his very best he knew exactly when the best moment was to pass, kick or run. Now he just does everything wildly. He has no control over the game anymore.

Burkie1203

Louis Friend wrote: »

Murray and Sexton weren’t “crap” today.

Both played pretty well.

They were rubbish.

Dumb penalties, poor passing, poor kicking, poor decisions, missing touch, kicks out on the full.

ujjjjjjjjj

If I ever see Billy Burns in an Irish Jersey again......

Was just saying to my son this morning I have no idea what Farrell is doing with Burns in the squad let one in the match day 23 and said that I would have Harry Byrne, Ross Byrne, Jack Carty, Ian Madigan and Ben Healy all ahead of him in an Ireland Jersey.

And then this happens......


As for POM, well Rhys Ruddock must be wondering after POM gets a lengthy and fully deserved ban for his behaviour today is this finally his chance or will Farrell start Billy Burns at 6.....

salmocab

Keenan is looking very assured and solid. I think if he’d arrived with a pile of hype he’d be getting shouted about from the roof tops.

Honestly not sure where I’d go with the back row, it doesn’t work for me as a unit, I said weeks ago it’s less than the sum of its parts somehow. It’s not something I can put my finger on but I genuinely think some big calls need to made there in particular.

ujjjjjjjjj

Clegg wrote: »

Sexton's defence is still top notch, but the creative side of his game has gone to pot. At his very best he knew exactly when the best moment was to pass, kick or run. Now he just does everything wildly. He has no control over the game anymore.

Thought J10 was excellent today. Couple of mistakes sure and he isn't as good as when he was 30 but still the best outhalf in Ireland. If he hadn't gone off suspect we would have snagged it.

ujjjjjjjjj

salmocab wrote: »

Keenan is looking very assured and solid. I think if he’d arrived with a pile of hype he’d be getting shouted about from the roof tops.

Honestly not sure where I’d go with the back row, it doesn’t work for me as a unit, I said weeks ago it’s less than the sum of its parts somehow. It’s not something I can put my finger on but I genuinely think some big calls need to made there in particular.

Flawless game from Keenan.15 done and dusted.

Back row is simple enough. Stander a one trick pony so clear that out, POM is fading fast and a liability.
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Rhys Doris and VDF for me with support from Conan, Connors, Dan. Don't think you need to go outside these six. Jordi a good standby too.

Burkie1203

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Kilcoyne
Herring
Porter
Ryan
Beirne
Ruddock
Connors
Stander
Casey
Byrne
Lowe
Henshaw
Ringrose
Larmour
Keenan


We need to start dropping guys who just are not delivering.

Murray Sexton Earls were crap today

I thought Healy delivered one of his best performances in green over the last year today. Agree with most of the rest - not sure Casey would be the right choice against France albeit I think he has a huge amount of potential.

If Ross Byrne starts I'd pick Park to be honest. Maybe have Casey on the bench with a view to gradually introducing him into the frame. I'm so frustrated by Murray's performance today given how badly we needed him to step up but we do need to give ourselves the best chance to win next week so having a zero cap half in the 23 might not be the best decision.

Could see Ruddock coming in and I'm inclined to try and involve Henderson given his effectiveness off the bench.

Ultimately I'm not sure this coaching setup is working and I think all involved are on notice. Interesting that O'Connell is brought in and our line out / breakdown starts to function however.

ujjjjjjjjj

Burkie1203 wrote: »

They were rubbish.

Dumb penalties, poor passing, poor kicking, poor decisions, missing touch, kicks out on the full.

Murray did what Murray does and when JGP came on tempo lifted.

Sexton was the best 10 by a distance on the pitch today and while yes he is not in vintage form he is still the best Irish 10. Harry Byrne for me is gonna be the future and there is an argument to get him involved sooner rather than later.

ujjjjjjjjj

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought Healy delivered one of his best performances in green over the last year today. Agree with most of the rest - not sure Casey would be the right choice against France albeit I think he has a huge amount of potential.

If Ross Byrne starts I'd pick Park to be honest. Maybe have Casey on the bench with a view to gradually introducing him into the frame. I'm so frustrated by Murray's performance today given how badly we needed him to step up but we do need to give ourselves the best chance to win next week so having a zero cap half in the 23 might not be the best decision.

Could see Ruddock coming in and I'm inclined to try and involve Henderson given his effectiveness off the bench.

Ultimately I'm not sure this coaching setup is working and I think all involved are on notice. Interesting that O'Connell is brought in and our line out / breakdown starts to function however.

Henderson had a cracking game and Healy rolled back the years, great clearing out. Furlong made a big impact.

Burkie1203

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I thought Healy delivered one of his best performances in green over the last year today. Agree with most of the rest - not sure Casey would be the right choice against France albeit I think he has a huge amount of potential.

If Ross Byrne starts I'd pick Park to be honest. Maybe have Casey on the bench with a view to gradually introducing him into the frame. I'm so frustrated by Murray's performance today given how badly we needed him to step up but we do need to give ourselves the best chance to win next week so having a zero cap half in the 23 might not be the best decision.

Could see Ruddock coming in and I'm inclined to try and involve Henderson given his effectiveness off the bench.

Ultimately I'm not sure this coaching setup is working and I think all involved are on notice. Interesting that O'Connell is brought in and our line out / breakdown starts to function however.

Lineout was a bit sloppy. We had a few that count as won but not exactly a launch pad.

Breakdown next week will tell us more.

Murray box kick early in 2nd half from Welsh 10m line in middle of pitch.... he should have been hooked after that.

There is a real chance we only win 2 games this year. England will get much better with gametime and can't see us beating France regardless and think we need to start giving guys a chance.

Burkie1203

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Lineout was a bit sloppy. We had a few that count as won but not exactly a launch pad.

Breakdown next week will tell us more.

Murray box kick early in 2nd half from Welsh 10m line in middle of pitch.... he should have been hooked after that.

There is a real chance we only win 2 games this year. England will get much better with gametime and can't see us beating France regardless and think we need to start giving guys a chance.

We permanently lost one of our primary jumpers after 15 minutes. I thought it went very well considering to be honest.

OldRio

Ah Now the line out was a step up on what we have seen and remember Ryan went off fairly early. Breakdown was excellent too, with the caveat that Wales were poor.

Clegg

One thing I liked was our use of multiple first receivers. It wasn't always Sexton who received the ball from Murray. Saw some good linking passes from Beirne and Porter. Think Furlong had one or two as well. Ringrose was used a few times as well. It changed things up as Wales couldn't line up an obvious first receiver for a smash tackle like they would've done with Sexton. It's a definite step in the right direction.

Sangre

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought Healy delivered one of his best performances in green over the last year today. Agree with most of the rest - not sure Casey would be the right choice against France albeit I think he has a huge amount of potential.

Completely agree on Healy. Has been poor for a while but was very good today. Some of those clear-outs *chefs kiss*

The Inbetween is mine

I think Joe used the phrase "individual errors" quite a lot at times...and today was one of those games.
Every major turning point, and score came directly from an individual Irish players error...not from any Welsh brilliance.
This has to be worked on between now and our next game, or it'll be a Valentine's Day Massacre.....

AbusesToilets

Assuming the players who went off don't start next week, I'd like to see this team.

Healy
Kelleher
Porter
Beirne
Henderson
Ruddock
Connors
Stander( tho I'd have Conan in, if he got called up)
JGP
Bryne
Henshaw
Ringrose
Larmour
Lowe
Keenan

Kilcoyne
Herring
Furlong
Dillane
Coombes
Casey
Burns
Daly

ujjjjjjjjj

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Assuming the players who went off don't start next week, I'd like to see this team.

Healy
Kelleher
Porter
Beirne
Henderson
Ruddock
Connors
Stander( tho I'd have Conan in, if he got called up)
JGP
Bryne
Henshaw
Ringrose
Larmour
Lowe
Keenan

Kilcoyne
Herring
Furlong
Dillane
Coombes
Casey
Burns
Daly

Wouldn't have Burns in the squad.....let alone match day 23. He isn't even the best outhalf in Ulster......

AbusesToilets

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Wouldn't have Burns in the squad.....let alone match day 23. He isn't even the best outhalf in Ulster......

I'd start Carry, buts he's not an option

Quantum Baloney

Ah well lads. Still nice to be watching some international rugby with all that's going on! Let's not write it off yet. There'll be a few more surprises and bumps in the road before tournament's end.

griffinlee

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Assuming the players who went off don't start next week, I'd like to see this team.

Healy
Kelleher
Porter
Beirne
Henderson
Ruddock
Connors
Stander( tho I'd have Conan in, if he got called up)
JGP
Bryne
Henshaw
Ringrose
Larmour
Lowe
Keenan

Kilcoyne
Herring
Furlong
Dillane
Coombes
Casey
Burns
Daly

Depends which Byrne brother your talking about!

lawrencesummers

Sexton hasn’t learned from the autumn.

His attitude at obviously needing to go off showed his true colors again. He was out cold for a spell, couldn’t stand for a while and then needed help coming off, yet instead of encouraging his team he felt bad for himself.

Imagine he turned around to burns and offered some encouragement, told him to see it out, that he was good enough to win the game etc etc.


Naw. He cribbed at something that was as obvious a call as POM’s

The Inbetween is mine

I want JJ Hanrahan to be called up.... !!

lawrencesummers

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

I want JJ Hanrahan to be called up.... !!

He wouldn’t be any worse than burns.

lawrencesummers

griffinlee wrote: »

Depends which Byrne brother your talking about!

Hopefully there is a third one.

ujjjjjjjjj

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Sexton hasn’t learned from the autumn.

His attitude at obviously needing to go off showed his true colors again. He was out cold for a spell, couldn’t stand for a while and then needed help coming off, yet instead of encouraging his team he felt bad for himself.

Imagine he turned around to burns and offered some encouragement, told him to see it out, that he was good enough to win the game etc etc.


Naw. He cribbed at something that was as obvious a call as POM’s

Sexton is the ultimate competitive nutter, love him to bits for it and of course he ain't happy about going off. Could have spent the afternoon chatting to Burns and it wouldn't have made any difference......no idea what Farrell sees in him. Bizarre. We have some good young talented outhalves about in Carty, Healy and the Byrne Brothers and a steady hand in Madigan and then there is Billy Burns.

Look hate getting at one player but anyone who says he is anything more than a sub PRO 14 away to the Dragons on a Friday evening kinda outhalf I wonder about.......clear as day to me.

flatface

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Murray did what Murray does and when JGP came on tempo lifted.

Sexton was the best 10 by a distance on the pitch today and while yes he is not in vintage form he is still the best Irish 10. Harry Byrne for me is gonna be the future and there is an argument to get him involved sooner rather than later.

The prob with bringing Harry Byrne in early is if he has a bad performance you then are in a pickle on whether to stick or change. Look at what happened today to billy burns.

PTH2009

bad result today with the grand slam and triple crown gone, a very small positive is we have nothing to lose and can experiment for the next 4 games

Brewster

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Sexton is the ultimate competitive nutter, love him to bits for it and of course he ain't happy about going off. Could have spent the afternoon chatting to Burns and it wouldn't have made any difference......no idea what Farrell sees in him. Bizarre. We have some good young talented outhalves about in Carty, Healy and the Byrne Brothers and a steady hand in Madigan and then there is Billy Burns.

Look hate getting at one player but anyone who says he is anything more than a sub PRO 14 away to the Dragons on a Friday evening kinda outhalf I wonder about.......clear as day to me.

Billy Burns is much better than this. He is a fine player, can take ball flat, good passer, good tactical kicker. Brave as heck. He messed up today, nobody is disputing this, but he will come back and recover from this obvious setback.