Possible puppy farm?

tk123

anewme wrote: »

This is my ultimate concern.

I will also say like someone else in the post said, the world of rescue is not perfect either.

Unless you have a contact in a rescue or breed club to bump you up the list I think you'll be hard pressed to get a pup that's not from a puppy farmer any time soon unfortunately. There's just too many enquires from them to sort the genuine owners like yourself from the pandemic puppy people. I know one rescue in Dublin will only place pups in houses with young kids under a certain age so excluded my friend as her kids are too old.

IKC reg for me is kind of like the NCT.. my dad's oil dripping banger has an NCT and he's on his own if there's a problem. My brand new car has a 7 year warranty - I know which I prefer and also which dealer I'd prefer to deal with.

Also contrary to one poster's ideas of buying a pup (I assume many many years ago) you contact the breed club not the IKC. The same way you'd contact individial rescues. And contact by phone were possible - email/FB is for buying junk of adverts not an animal.

anewme

tk123 wrote: »

Unless you have a contact in a rescue or breed club to bump you up the list I think you'll be hard pressed to get a pup that's not from a puppy farmer any time soon unfortunately. There's just too many enquires from them to sort the genuine owners like yourself from the pandemic puppy people. I know one rescue in Dublin will only place pups in houses with young kids under a certain age so excluded my friend as her kids are too old.

IKC reg for me is kind of like the NCT.. my dad's oil dripping banger has an NCT and he's on his own if there's a problem. My brand new car has a 7 year warranty - I know which I prefer and also which dealer I'd prefer to deal with.

Also contrary to one poster's ideas of buying a pup (I assume many many years ago) you contact the breed club not the IKC. The same way you'd contact individial rescues. And contact by phone were possible - email/FB is for buying junk of adverts not an animal.

Thats what I'm finding unfortunately.

In already about eight months with rescues. My homecheck is passed.

I don't have the child issue (single), but rather the post Covid return to work challenge , which means that the dog will have to go to daycare 2 days a week.

cocker5

anewme wrote: »

Thsts what I'm finding unfortunately.

In already about eight months with rescues. My homecheck is passed.

I don't have the child issue (single), but rather the post Covid return to work challenge , which means that the dog will have to go to daycare 2 days a week.

Are rescues giving u hassle re: doggie day care?

We rescued our springer in January and I advised the rescue we both work full time (we are experienced dog owners) and our adoptee would be attending doggie day care - they had no issues .. I can’t publish the rescue against rules but if u want the name pm me x

I drove 2.5 hours to get our guy (home check was done)

Best decision I ever made

All dogs are a blessing x

DBB

Jayney Just A Thought... you speak of sweeping generalisations, but I simply don't know where to start with much of what you've said... it's rare that I read so much unfounded factoids in one or two posts in this forum, to be perfectly honest! Almost everything you say is in complete contradiction to my own experience, which has been honed at the coalface of dogdom at a professional level for almost 2 decades now (and not at the breeding end of it).
I have never once come across a reputable breeder who has charged into 4 figures for the pups they're selling to the pet market, with some very rare and explicable exceptions... but even those came nowhere near the price tag you've been suggesting. The going rate for years and years has been €600 to €800. That's been very consistent over the past couple of decades.

The irony is that the recent vast inflation in the price of pups came from the cowboys, the puppy farmers, the back yard breeders. They spotted another opportunity to gouge from people who want to buy a pup. In all my years of working in dogdom, the first time I saw any of the usual popular breeds exceeding the 4-figure mark was on Donedeal, starting around last March.

People who sell IKC registered pups are not necessarily reputable... all you have to do is pay a fee to the IKC for them to register your pups. The IKC are not a quality control organisation, and do not vet the people registering pups with them in any meaningful way. You want to get on their list of breeders? Simple! Pay them. Job done.

As has already been pointed out, the only real way of sourcing a breeder who DOES have to conform to welfare and ethical standards, is to go through the breed societies, which apply standards and actively exclude people who breed for money. They actively include people who know their breed back to front, who carry out genetic health testing, who source the best examples of their breed from which to produce the best puppies they can, and who raise their pups carefully and with the emphasis on preparing them for life as a pet dog. Critically, they also care deeply about what sort of homes their puppies go to. It's not a matter of "here's a pup, now where's the money" that you'll get from gougers, "professional breeders", BYBs, and others who may or may not be selling IKC registered pups.

I have to say too, JAT, that I take issue with your broad insinuation that rescue dogs are trouble. One of my involvements in dogdom over the past 20 years has been running a rescue, and fostering for others. I can say with conviction that the majority of dogs I've fostered and rehomed have been first class pets, and I'm talking about many hundreds of dogs here. No insurmountable issues, no real problems, many, many, many adopters reporting back that "it's like s/he's always been here"... Off the top of my head, this describes upwards of 80% of them. I don't feel the rescue dog whitewash I've seen from here should be let go unchallenged, particularly when those opinions are coming across as being based on very limited experience and/or biased anecdotal information.

Hoboo

JustAThought wrote: »

OP - tell your friend to do exactly what suits them so long as the dog is checked to be healthy and has their vacs and seems to have been well treated aNd kindly handled and mixed in a household - too many vested interests and screamers and absolute purchasing absurdities involved otherwise.

Probably the worst piece of advice I've read on boards. "Seems" to be well treated is good enough for you?

What about the mother? I know I know, who cares.

You sound like a panicking backyard breeder.

DBB

anewme wrote: »

Thats what I'm finding unfortunately.

In already about eight months with rescues. My homecheck is passed.

I don't have the child issue (single), but rather the post Covid return to work challenge , which means that the dog will have to go to daycare 2 days a week.

Honestly anewme? I think there's a major issue with supply at the moment. I'm not seeing any avalanche of unwanted Covid pups and dogs into rescue. It's just not happening, from what I've seen.
I think that people who have paid €1000+ for their (now unwanted) dog are going to be very hesitant to surrender the dog... many people can and did write off the €300-€500 they paid for their dogs pre-Covid, but €1000 is a whole different story. So, they're selling them. Not surrendering them.
At the same time, the demand for dogs is just... astronomical at the moment. I run a very small rescue, and every day of the week, I'm getting anywhere from 3 to 10 calls and emails from people wanting a dog. I simply can't help these people, because I've no dogs. Granted, it's a more specialised rescue, but both the demand, AND the lack of dogs being surrendered, are quite unmitigated. The backlog of people my little rescue has of people waiting in hope, is huge, and growing every day, despite my warning them that they're in for a long, long wait.
So, I can only imagine what the bigger rescues are experiencing. It must be bedlam.
It is very frustrating not being able to help people, and to sort them out with a lovely dog, because so many of the people calling are lovely, kind people who I've no doubt would offer a great home.
So, I don't know if this is of any consolation at all, but I'm quite sure it's nothing personal It's such a terrible time to be trying to find a puppy or dog now. I would not like to be in that position.

JustAThought

Hoboo wrote: »

Probably the worst piece of advice I've read on boards. "Seems" to be well treated is good enough for you?

What about the mother? I know I know, who cares.

You sound like a panicking backyard breeder.

No. More accusatory nonsense.

And you sound like a hysterical rescue volunteer. Also possibly not true. This is exactly why we need to evaluate how dogs can be sold and what systems work overseas- as the ones we have in place here clearly are not working and have not been working for decades.

JustAThought

DBB wrote: »

Jayney Just A Thought... you speak of sweeping generalisations, but I simply don't know where to start with much of what you've said... it's rare that I read so much unfounded factoids in one or two posts in this forum, to be perfectly honest! Almost everything you say is in complete contradiction to my own experience, which has been honed at the coalface of dogdom at a professional level for almost 2 decades now (and not at the breeding end of it).
I have never once come across a reputable breeder who has charged into 4 figures for the pups they're selling to the pet market, with some very rare and explicable exceptions... but even those came nowhere near the price tag you've been suggesting. The going rate for years and years has been €600 to €800. That's been very consistent over the past couple of decades.

The irony is that the recent vast inflation in the price of pups came from the cowboys, the puppy farmers, the back yard breeders. They spotted another opportunity to gouge from people who want to buy a pup. In all my years of working in dogdom, the first time I saw any of the usual popular breeds exceeding the 4-figure mark was on Donedeal, starting around last March.

People who sell IKC registered pups are not necessarily reputable... all you have to do is pay a fee to the IKC for them to register your pups. The IKC are not a quality control organisation, and do not vet the people registering pups with them in any meaningful way. You want to get on their list of breeders? Simple! Pay them. Job done.

As has already been pointed out, the only real way of sourcing a breeder who DOES have to conform to welfare and ethical standards, is to go through the breed societies, which apply standards and actively exclude people who breed for money. They actively include people who know their breed back to front, who carry out genetic health testing, who source the best examples of their breed from which to produce the best puppies they can, and who raise their pups carefully and with the emphasis on preparing them for life as a pet dog. Critically, they also care deeply about what sort of homes their puppies go to. It's not a matter of "here's a pup, now where's the money" that you'll get from gougers, "professional breeders", BYBs, and others who may or may not be selling IKC registered pups.

I have to say too, JAT, that I take issue with your broad insinuation that rescue dogs are trouble. One of my involvements in dogdom over the past 20 years has been running a rescue, and fostering for others. I can say with conviction that the majority of dogs I've fostered and rehomed have been first class pets, and I'm talking about many hundreds of dogs here. No insurmountable issues, no real problems, many, many, many adopters reporting back that "it's like s/he's always been here"... Off the top of my head, this describes upwards of 80% of them. I don't feel the rescue dog whitewash I've seen from here should be let go unchallenged, particularly when those opinions are coming across as being based on very limited experience and/or biased anecdotal information.

Oh please - spare me the DBB typical I am an expert hear my dogma.

I agree with you that some rescues are not trouble - but many are and many people are
left with damaged dogs that have their deep set neuroses that remain with them all
their life. No doubt ypu are the dog whisperer with thirty years of experience in magically fixing every rescue dog and giving it perfection in every
aspect of its life and lyimg down your life to defend them in courts and at
hime night and day fighting for their rights and survival but for a lot of people who out of the kindness of their hearts rescue dogs they are left holding the can with a problematic dog whose issues and neuroses or habits stem from how it was - or wasn’t - treated, trained or socialised when it was young. It dosn’t mean that is the case for every rescue but for many it is - regardless of the love they bring or the heartwarming story involved. This is why also many people choose not to wait at
the gates of rescues for an abandoned and often badly treated loveable dog but choose instead to buy one - at a time and for a breed that suits their needs and household. Not everybody wants an unknown dog or problematic pet to retrain or try and socialise many months after it should have been done in their house. Hence there will always be a market for (new) puppies and for a better method of organising the buying and selling of them. Ours is clearly not fit for purpose and not working.

And as all the professional breeders on this site - now 4 or 5 posting and liking each others comments - are all commercial money maryters and have never taken anything like the going breeders rate for pups - let
me commend them all for their humanity and subservience to the dog kingdom - it must be hard getting in and out of bed every day with halos so big .

Question still remains unanswered - and no doubt is of interest to the OP - how are other countries regulating their sales of puppies. Surely everyone can’t be making such a hysterical emotive and highly expensive balls of it like Ireland is? Contary to the experience of all the impoverished dog breeding experts on this thread of course.

DBB

JustAThought wrote: »

Oh please - spare me the dogmatic DBB typical I am an expert hear my dogma.

Oh dear. I stopped reading at this point. I had been hoping for some mature dialogue and debate, but in response to my post, I get exactly the hyperbole you're accusing others of. Getting a bit personal too, which is a great way to shut down any engagement, I find.
I had been going to talk with you about the models used in other countries... what has worked, what hasn't, as I've quite a bit of experience in the area, but it seems that my "expertise" is not something you're prepared to listen to or to engage with in a mature manner. The only dogma you appear to want to hear seems to be your own.
Good luck!

tk123

Professional dog breeders lol..there’s only one person who seems like a professional breeder here..

It’s not me - I’m a professional vet client!

JustAThought

Don’t worry - we waited five pages for any meaningful input on buying & selling models and all you contributed was your usual dogmatic droning & reasons as to why you the expert are
right but no input to the issue asked. I win’t be holding my breath for any meaningful input into the question from any of the ‘professional breeders’ and self proclaimed experts here. As usual the industry has inputted zero into the discussion on how the model could compare or be chamged for the betterment of dogs and hs descended into the usual I’m the expert rescue
son’t buy guilting & accusatory statements.

No wonder the breeding bitches and puppies continue to suffer - rescuing albeit noble and good for many dogs is not the answer for all dogs nor for all owners - and those with vested interests and professional breeders and people who make their living by them simply refuse to engage or try to bombast people asking meaningful questions . Same ole same ole.

I could tell you but I won’t. Jeaus wept.

Knine

JustAThought wrote: »

And as all the professional breeders on this site - now 4 or 5 posting and liking each others comments - are all commercial money maryters and have never taken anything like the going breeders rate for pups - let
me commend them all for their humanity and subservience to the dog kingdom - it must be hard getting in and out of bed every day with halos so big .
.

Professional Breeders? Really? I don't see any comments or posts from any Professional Breeders! I think your clearly one tracked brain is confusing Reputable Hobby Breeders with puppy farmers. I could make a fortune out of my dogs if I was like the type of breeder you are clearly associating with. My last litter was 2 puppies 2 years ago & I kept one, a stunning male. I was left broke after that litter. I have been contacted non stop to use him at stud - even to cross breeds.

Oh what are your qualifications since you seen keen to slate those that actually put in the time & effort to gain them!

We have numerous rescues too over the years, all have been lovely dogs

DBB

JAT... how do you expect people to engage with you when you talk to them and about them as you do here?
I'm more than happy to talk about anything dog related, including other models in other countries, and I'd like to think I've helped a lot of people on this forum over the years, but when I'm referred to in such a disparaging and disrespectful way as you have done, why would you think I should respond?
There aren't any "professional breeders" that I know of on this forum btw.
Please, try to be civil in your response, if you can

Cherry Blossom

Like this post if, like me you have never bred a dog in your life 🤨

piplip87

Puppy farms will keep going here and keep making money as-long as the rescues make it as difficult as possible to actually adopt a dog. Jesus some if the questionnaires out there are ridiculous. Luckily I a friend of mine works in one and we got our two through her.

JAT, you want to discuss successful models for buying and selling dogs in other countries but you clearly have a poor understanding of what's going wrong in this country. Maybe you should start there instead?

In this thread you've promoted irresponsible sourcing, disparaged rescue dogs, conflated the prices of reputable breeders with those of barkyard breeders/puppy farmers and despite being corrected several times continue to believe that a dog being IKC registered somehow means it came from a reputable breeder. You don't even understand the difference between a reputable breeder and a professional breeder (as you call them).

Then when an actual expert tries to discuss with you , you talk to her like she's dirt. I am not a breeder, I do not work in rescue. I do love dogs and take the time to read about, research and take a real interest in their training , welfare and behaviour and I for one am very grateful that DBB takes the time out of her busy life to allow us here to pick her brain. For free!! I've learned so much from DBB and other knowledgeable posters here over the years. I'm genuinely embarrassed for you that you can't see that opportunity and engage in meaningful or respectful way.

If you don't want to discuss with a qualified and experienced person like that.. who is you do want to discuss with? And don't bother saying you wanted to talk to DBB but she decided not to. The way you spoke above isn't deserving of a reply from her tbh and doesn't exactly inspire confidence that you'd take anything on board anyway, since you refuse to even acknowledge the mistakes you've made in your own posts.

cocker5

piplip87 wrote: »

Puppy farms will keep going here and keep making money as-long as the rescues make it as difficult as possible to actually adopt a dog. Jesus some if the questionnaires out there are ridiculous. Luckily I a friend of mine works in one and we got our two through her.

Seriously how can you blame rescues for the existence of puppy farms?

I’m shocked..

bertiebomber

rescues place animals in safe homes that will be secure and its unlikely the animal will be on the street again. I do think they can be excessively hard but a recent animal, a rescued horse was placed in a good home and then sold to travellers for 250 euro so they have to be vigilant about all placements. its too easily to own a dog in ireland that where the work should be done. Every single couple gets engaged get married get house get dog have child 99% of the time then dog is dumped - a dog is like a rite of passage to see if they can look after anything beside themselves and is the first thing to be discarded. FACT

tk123

FICTION. 100% of the young families I know locally haven't re homed their dogs once they had kids..I'm not saying it doesn't happen.. but you're generalising a bit there.

bertiebomber

tk123 wrote: »

FICTION. 100% of the young families I know locally haven't re homed their dogs once they had kids..I'm not saying it doesn't happen.. but you're generalising a bit there.

maybe but those who keep the dog usually relegate him to out doors or worse tied up i ve seen it.

Knine

bertiebomber wrote: »

rescues place animals in safe homes that will be secure and its unlikely the animal will be on the street again. I do think they can be excessively hard but a recent animal, a rescued horse was placed in a good home and then sold to travellers for 250 euro so they have to be vigilant about all placements. its too easily to own a dog in ireland that where the work should be done. Every single couple gets engaged get married get house get dog have child 99% of the time then dog is dumped - a dog is like a rite of passage to see if they can look after anything beside themselves and is the first thing to be discarded. FACT

Lol what a vast generalisation. :eek: Lots of my dogs have gone to such families & they all still have them!

wixy18

I've got my cavachon female 5 years ago. I guess I was lucky to get her from a good home. I wanted the same type of dog for a couple of years now. I'm asthmatic and allergic to other dogs, so can't rescue. I thought that have one litter was a good idea. I was asking around for a Bichon stud, willing to pay a fee or give a puppy. No luck. And people were judgemental. Then I rang one "reputable breeder with a website". 1600 for a pup! And he has them all the time! That's bad. I guess it's too late for my dog to have the first litter at age 6 and I have to queue for purebred Maltese or something...

Knine

wixy18 wrote: »

I've got my cavachon female 5 years ago. I guess I was lucky to get her from a good home. I wanted the same type of dog for a couple of years now. I'm asthmatic and allergic to other dogs, so can't rescue. I thought that have one litter was a good idea. I was asking around for a Bichon stud, willing to pay a fee or give a puppy. No luck. And people were judgemental. Then I rang one "reputable breeder with a website". 1600 for a pup! And he has them all the time! That's bad. I guess it's too late for my dog to have the first litter at age 6 and I have to queue for purebred Maltese or something...

I would be judgemental too if someone wanted to use one of my dogs on a cross breed. It is also strictly against the IKC code of ethics.

DBB

bertiebomber wrote: »

maybe but those who keep the dog usually relegate him to out doors or worse tied up i ve seen it.

So that makes it a FACT for 99% of newlywed owners, does it?

bertiebomber

DBB wrote: »

So that makes it a FACT for 99% of newlywed owners, does it?

bite me !

DBB

bertiebomber wrote: »

bite me !

So, let me get this straight. You make a hugely sweeping generalisation that's way off the mark, and when you're pulled up on it, that's the best you can come up with?
I dunno. There's some very strange claims being made in this thread, made by people who get snarky when asked to back up what they're saying.
Pity.

tk123

DBB wrote: »

So, let me get this straight. You make a hugely sweeping generalisation that's way off the mark, and when you're pulled up on it, that's the best you can come up with?
I dunno. There's some very strange claims being made in this thread, made by people who get snarky when asked to back up what they're saying.
Pity.

99% of BS artists don't like being called out on their BS.. and that is a FACT

anewme

I am finding the majority of the discussion valuable, it is interesting to hear both sides, breeder and rescue.

Hellrazer

bertiebomber wrote: »

bite me !

Very constructive to the thread.
Youve already had a couple of on thread warnings in this forum.Youve ignored mod instructions about not posting on thread again.Have a small break from the forum.

cocker5

Unfortunately I do know numerous couples personally who purchased puppies - 4/5 years later they have welcomed their first child and yes the dogs were either given to other family members or dumped in a rescue ..

I only know of 2 couples who have kept their dogs when their family grew.
And you know the sad thing is when the PHN / nurse visited them at home when they came home with the baby on both occasions they were advised to lock the dog outside .. for health reasons and also for the safety of the baby.. thankfully they ignored this crap advice ..

Sad state of affairs but true.

Don’t think everyone gives their dogs away once they have kids but the reality is many do .. and then their are the people who keep them but lock them outside...

cocker5

cocker5 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do know numerous couples personally who purchased puppies - 4/5 years later they have welcomed their first child and yes the dogs were either given to other family members or dumped in a rescue ..

I only know of 2 couples who have kept their dogs when their family grew.
And you know the sad thing is when the PHN / nurse visited them at home when they came home with the baby on both occasions they were advised to lock the dog outside .. for health reasons and also for the safety of the baby.. thankfully they ignored this crap advice ..

Sad state of affairs but true.

Don’t think everyone gives their dogs away once they have kids but the reality is many do .. and then their are the people who keep them but lock them outside...

I know people who have as well cocker. And same as that a couple of friends/family were told by PHN to get rid. But 99% FACT?? That's just a nonsense thing to say. I know loads of new parents who kept their dogs and continue to dote on them as much as ever.

borderlinemeath

bertiebomber wrote: »

rescues place animals in safe homes that will be secure and its unlikely the animal will be on the street again. I do think they can be excessively hard but a recent animal, a rescued horse was placed in a good home and then sold to travellers for 250 euro so they have to be vigilant about all placements. its too easily to own a dog in ireland that where the work should be done. Every single couple gets engaged get married get house get dog have child 99% of the time then dog is dumped - a dog is like a rite of passage to see if they can look after anything beside themselves and is the first thing to be discarded. FACT

FACT: I had a child. I had 3 dogs at the time.
FACT: None of them went outdoors
FACT: I now have 5 dogs
FACT: None of them are shuttered out the back.

cocker5

Deleted User wrote: »

I know people who have as well cocker. And same as that a couple of friends/family were told by PHN to get rid. But 99% FACT?? That's just a nonsense thing to say. I know loads of new parents who kept their dogs and continue to dote on them as much as ever.

Agree 99% is not accurate .. I’m just sorry for the animals it happens at all!

I’d never part with my guy he’s a family member.

tk123

Deleted User wrote: »

know loads of new parents who kept their dogs and continue to dote on them as much as ever.

Yes and using the dog's walk as an excuse for a break from their mad house lol :pac::pac::pac:

tk123

tk123 wrote: »

Yes and using the dog's walk as an excuse for a break from their mad house lol :pac::pac::pac:

Ha yeah some dogs do very well out of it! More walks than ever.

Knine

tk123 wrote: »

Yes and using the dog's walk as an excuse for a break from their mad house lol :pac::pac::pac:

I hear you

Hellrazer

borderlinemeath wrote: »

FACT: I had a child. I had 3 dogs at the time.
FACT: None of them went outdoors
FACT: I now have 5 dogs
FACT: None of them are shuttered out the back.

We`re the exact same. We`ve had dogs since the day we got married 25 years ago. Our first baby was born @ 28 weeks premature and although she was quite tiny and vulnerable the dogs always stayed indoors. That was the same for the other 3 (kids) that came along. None of the dogs was ever put out.

Even now its a case of the dogs get more attention than the kids!!!

Ms2011

Both myself and my husband were made redundant in 2011, we did not get rid of our 3 dogs and 1 cat.
We had our first baby in 2012, we did not get rid of our 3 dogs and 1 cat.
We had a second child in 2015, we did not get rid of our 3 dogs and 1 cat.
We moved county to our forever home in 2017, we did not get rid of our 3 dogs and 1 cat.

When you take on a pet you must not only consider your present life but also your future one and if you can care for them should your circumstances change.

Autosport

I’m on the lookout to rescue a dog and I’m finding it very difficult. I personally don’t want a pup and I’m not looking for a designer breed. I’m on lots of different rescue waiting lists but it’s not looking good. I can see why people get desperate and buy a pup.

tk123

Autosport wrote: »

I can see why people get desperate and buy a pup.

It’s ok to buy a pup though if that’s what you prefer.. there’s no shame in it. Well not from me anyways. It’s a personal decision - I respect a persons decision to rescue .. this isn’t always a two way street though as I’ve learned but I couldn’t care less.

B00MSTICK

Autosport wrote: »

I’m on the lookout to rescue a dog and I’m finding it very difficult. I personally don’t want a pup and I’m not looking for a designer breed. I’m on lots of different rescue waiting lists but it’s not looking good. I can see why people get desperate and buy a pup.

I think this was one of the issues that JustAThought was alluding to, I'm sure people want to do the right thing and get a puppy/dog from someone who has looked after them/their parents and not have them pumping out litter after litter or even better are trying to adopt a dog that needs a home, but surely there's a system that's more straight forward than what we have?

Maybe this already exists, but why can't there be a central website/database that has all available rescues/dogs for adoption in one location? Here's an example but there appears to be very few rescues on it which completely negates the purpose...
It would basically just be scraping the data from the many places that are out there. Have a single form that people can fill out and are now eligible for adoption from any of the rescues.
If you want to adopt/foster a dog featured on the site you still liaise with the actual rescue but it makes the process way easier and lets you look across all avenues for the dog breed/type of dog you are after. You want to adopt a specific breed/size/nature? Bang we just searched 100% of the rescues in Ireland and there are none available, here's some similar breeds that are available though and we can set up an alert so that you are notified if any fitting your criteria are taken in or we can put you on the waiting list on all/some rescues without you needing to reach out individually.

Regarding non-rescue pups/dogs, your choices are going to somewhere like the IKC and trying to find a reputable breeder for the specific dog you are after and going on the waiting list or sourcing one elsewhere.
One problem is that finding a "reputable breeder" is sometimes not easy, look for a Bichon Frise on IKC and you wont get any club or society contacts for example. Even if there is a club/society specific to that breed they may not be active or may not get back to you.
You then need to look elsewhere and the problem is that "elsewhere" could be a puppy-farm, a "back-yard" breeder or someone who loved their dog and their behavior so much they wanted that line to continue and only wanted one pup from the litter. There is no way of knowing.

I imagine most IKC registered breeders will only want to breed with other pedigree animals with perfect health/genetics etc. which is absolutely fine and great for the line, but the fact of the matter is that most people don't want a show dog, they want a family pet to love, they don't care if isn't the perfect example of the breed. They just want to buy from someone who isn't abusing their animals, why is that so difficult?

On top of all this the government is doing feck all to stop it, so instead of the un-informed getting blamed for buying puppies on whatever free-ad site, we should be pushing the government, IKC, and rescues to make things easier.

hamburgham

I know it's off topic but so upsetting seeing so many young dogs and pups with docked tails. It's supposed to be illegal. I wish there was a publicity campaign to inform people. A lot of people don't even realise that a dog's tail has been hacked off, they think they were born without one or just with the couple of inches that's left. Thinking in particular of all the Jacks with their sad little stump.

Fakediamond

Autosport wrote: »

I’m on the lookout to rescue a dog and I’m finding it very difficult. I personally don’t want a pup and I’m not looking for a designer breed. I’m on lots of different rescue waiting lists but it’s not looking good. I can see why people get desperate and buy a pup.

I’ve always struggled to get a dog from a rescue because I work. I adopted a pup from the pound 8 years ago, and when I sadly lost him to kidney disease last year, I adopted a dog privately, who had been found dumped. She had/has a lot of behavioural issues but we’ve come a long way and I never even considered giving up on her once I took her on. I couldn’t get a response from the rescues so this was the only way.

Some people have told me that, to be successful with the rescue centres, you have to be persistent, almost like using pester power to get them to take your application seriously. I didn’t do that and never heard from them as a result. It did sadden me as I knew I would provide a home where the dogs needs would come first. Yes, most of us have to work, but in my case, I have a doggy door, a large secure area outside and my dog is walked every day, except in dangerous weather, such as storm force winds. I know why they are so strict, but I think they need to take a more nuanced approach to get more dogs into loving homes.

Knine

B00MSTICK wrote: »

I imagine most IKC registered breeders will only want to breed with other pedigree animals with perfect health/genetics etc. which is absolutely fine and great for the line, but the fact of the matter is that most people don't want a show dog, they want a family pet to love, they don't care if isn't the perfect example of the breed. They just want to buy from someone who isn't abusing their animals, why is that so difficult?
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This is actually not true. I find most people wanting a particular breed want one who actually looks & has the characteristics of the chosen breed. There no perfect example of a breed but there are well bred health tested & well socialised dogs & you are most likely going to find these with a Reputable Breeder & not with John & Mary who just happen to have 2 dogs of the same breed!

anewme

Fakediamond wrote: »

I’ve always struggled to get a dog from a rescue because I work.

Some people have told me that, to be successful with the rescue centres, you have to be persistent, almost like using pester power to get them to take your application seriously.

That's a tough one and I was the same till now.

I hate being that squeaky wheel, it's just not in my make up. When I see aperson doing that with me in work, I just block them out, but could see how others might give in to get them to go away.

Fakediamond

anewme wrote: »

That's a tough one and I was the same till now.

I hate being that squeaky wheel, it's just not in my make up. When I see aperson doing that with me in work, I just block them out, but could see how others might give in to get them to go away.

I’m the same, but maybe they see if differently. Maybe to a rescue the persistent people are taken as being serious about getting a dog and not just enquiring in a whim cos they saw a cute dog this week. I don’t know...the inner workings of rescues are a mystery to me. A friend said to me last year, the rescues must love you (knowing how I treat my pets), and was shocked to find out they wouldn't even rate me or shortlist me for a dog. Like I said, it’s a world I don’t understand.

I have a better relationship with my local pound, they don’t really know me either, but they know enough to know I’m a responsible owner and that seems to be enough for them. The difficulty for me is that they have no idea if their dogs are cat friendly and I can’t take that chance. I’d hate to have to return a dog due to problems with the cat.