The housing "crisis" is over

punisher5112

Well it's definitely worth while not working.
I do come across two that have 3 kids no more then 5 and then two buggies with new born and one around a year.... They have the best of gear and neither work.
Both have free bus travel and live in a nice pad too.

I doubt she is finished either and their attitudes stink and the kids will be brought up the same.

It should all be tax rebates and children's allowance shouldn't be in the form of cash.

Wife has a friend who's friend has 5 kids with 4 different dad's and is now ready to pop with another's.... That's 5 dad's and 6 kids, they all have learning difficulty and she has never worked a day in her life, has a nice 4 bed in a cul de sac.

How can this be allowed continue, look what the gubernment wants to do now and house all the illegals and stop direct provision! Where are they going house them....
Roma gypsies arriving into the country never worked a day in their life and they're getting state pension, housing, free travel etc etc.....


How can we keep this up and then they are absolutely throwing a fortune away on pup and not a single increase in ICU beds..... Wtf is going on.

US2

I work and live in a nice 3 bed council house. No nearly new bmw for me though, a 2012 focus .

punisher5112

US2 wrote: »

I work and live in a nice 3 bed council house. No nearly new bmw for me though, a 2012 focus .

That's not the issue at all, you contribute and are working.

There are many not and still have nice cars etc.....

suicide_circus

punisher5112 wrote: »

That's not the issue at all, you contribute and are working.

There are many not and still have nice cars etc.....

Nixers, black economy and not forgetting the 80,000 odd cars on the road on finance

Timing belt

suicide_circus wrote: »

Nixers, black economy and not forgetting the 80,000 odd cars on the road on finance

Would you get finance for a nice car if you were not working?

agoodpunt

Timing belt wrote: »

Would you get finance for a nice car if you were not working?

that may soon come under an act of discrimimation, the aim of socialism is after all, spread the wealth regardless.
And that my friends is what the Irish electorite voted for.

Mister Vain

punisher5112 wrote: »

Well it's definitely worth while not working.
I do come across two that have 3 kids no more then 5 and then two buggies with new born and one around a year.... They have the best of gear and neither work.
Both have free bus travel and live in a nice pad too.

I doubt she is finished either and their attitudes stink and the kids will be brought up the same.

It should all be tax rebates and children's allowance shouldn't be in the form of cash.

Wife has a friend who's friend has 5 kids with 4 different dad's and is now ready to pop with another's.... That's 5 dad's and 6 kids, they all have learning difficulty and she has never worked a day in her life, has a nice 4 bed in a cul de sac.

How can this be allowed continue, look what the gubernment wants to do now and house all the illegals and stop direct provision! Where are they going house them....
Roma gypsies arriving into the country never worked a day in their life and they're getting state pension, housing, free travel etc etc.....


How can we keep this up and then they are absolutely throwing a fortune away on pup and not a single increase in ICU beds..... Wtf is going on.

People on the PUP getting 700 euro today. Not worth your while working is right.

punisher5112

Mister Vain wrote: »

People on the PUP getting 700 euro today. Not worth your while working is right.

And in case anyone thinks I'm attacking those on it it's far from it, we are in a mess, the sad part is so many have lost their jobs and definitely need the help but when they set it up 1st paying out €350 to everybody even if before they were oy bringing home say a €100 each week.... It's nuts.
Obviously this is taxable so they will be try to get some back....

I really hope we come out of this quicker and better then the recession we seem to only get out of.

A roof over one's head is a right but a forever home isn't....
Why has the country become so woke and pc and will bend over for scroungers and criminals... That includes white collar crime too.

Timing belt

agoodpunt wrote: »

that may soon come under an act of discrimimation, the aim of socialism is after all, spread the wealth regardless.
And that my friends is what the Irish electorite voted for.

That made me laugh:-)

It’s even more funny considering that the left are not in power.

Timing belt

punisher5112 wrote: »

And in case anyone thinks I'm attacking those on it it's far from it, we are in a mess, the sad part is so many have lost their jobs and definitely need the help but when they set it up 1st paying out €350 to everybody even if before they were oy bringing home say a €100 each week.... It's nuts.
Obviously this is taxable so they will be try to get some back....

I really hope we come out of this quicker and better then the recession we seem to only get out of.

A roof over one's head is a right but a forever home isn't....
Why has the country become so woke and pc and will bend over for scroungers and criminals... That includes white collar crime too.

The PUP payments are a form of stimulus to keep the economy moving without it there would have been a lot more jobs lost on a permanent basis outside sectors of the economy that have been impacted. The issue is that unlike America not everyone here received a stimulus cheque

breadmonster

Timing belt wrote: »

That made me laugh:-)

It’s even more funny considering that the left are not in power.

Have to disagree they all left parties just some are more left than others

Sunny Disposition

The welfare system is broken, think any fair minded person would accept that. People who work in low paid jobs are often less well off than people on welfare, it’s especially true in the cities where the cost of living is higher. The troika urged Ireland to reform it several times, to reduce the dole after a period of time, but no political party wants to do it.
I think we need a proper Labour Party here, who would advocate for student nurses to be paid, but want to cut the benefits to able bodied people who never work.

ThunbergsAreGo

US2 wrote: »

I work and live in a nice 3 bed council house. No nearly new bmw for me though, a 2012 focus .

Stop showing off

ThunbergsAreGo

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

The welfare system is broken, think any fair minded person would accept that. People who work in low paid jobs are often less well off than people on welfare, it’s especially true in the cities where the cost of living is higher. The troika urged Ireland to reform it several times, to reduce the dole after a period of time, but no political party wants to do it.
I think we need a proper Labour Party here, who would advocate for student nurses to be paid, but want to cut the benefits to able bodied people who never work.

That is the big problem, zero political will as they would be crucified by a media who focused on sob stories of the few over the needs of the many.

And I do say needs of the many, as many of those on long term unemployment/dubious disability would likely be better served getting out and working

Wanderer78

Timing belt wrote: »

It’s down to fact that housing is deliberately in short supply because not enough housing is being built along with government policies that have kept most economic output in one region rather than credit that have caused the housing issue. There is no shortage of land in Ireland and the only reason for a shortage of housing stock is because the government refuse to take action and thereby make it a limited commodity.

yes lack of supply is also a factor in this train wreck, but not wholly, but its been the effective endless supply of credit that has pushed property and land prices, globally, into the now ridiculousness, its important to realize, our political institutions have also been indoctrinated to beleive that the market is truly capable of providing us with all of our housing needs, its clearly obvious now, it isnt!

ThunbergsAreGo

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

That is the big problem, zero political will as they would be crucified by a media who focused on sob stories of the few over the needs of the many.

The usual suspects the Radio 1 radio talk shows would thrive on this sort of ladranach

Timing belt

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yes lack of supply is also a factor in this train wreck, but not wholly, but its been the effective endless supply of credit that has pushed property and land prices, globally, into the now ridiculousness, its important to realize, our political institutions have also been indoctrinated to beleive that the market is truly capable of providing us with all of our housing needs, its clearly obvious now, it isnt!

You make credit sound like it’s bad yet credit can be good when purchasing a large asset such as a house. If there was no market interference then the market would have naturally found the correct level following the housing crash and would have provided for our housing needs. But instead we have gov policies that prop up prices and a reluctance to increase supply in any meaningful way.

storker

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Serious question. How do I get my hands on one of these? Do I need to get sacked and dumb down for a few years or what?

What's the minimum criteria to get one. Because paying full whack for a house when you can get one for little or nothing would be idiotic.

These people have frustrated me for years but I'm now beginning to see the merits. If you can't beat them, join them.

Nobody's stopping you. Go for it if you really think it's so wonderful. :rolleyes:

Wanderer78

Timing belt wrote: »

You make credit sound like it’s bad yet credit can be good when purchasing a large asset such as a house. If there was no market interference then the market would have naturally found the correct level following the housing crash and would have provided for our housing needs. But instead we have gov policies that prop up prices and a reluctance to increase supply in any meaningful way.

the deregulation of our financial sector has been catastrophic for many reasons, particularly in relation to property and land, the availability of credit continues to push up asset prices, again particularly in relation to property and land, this is driving one of the most critical human needs out of reach of many. not having housing and accommodation security sets off a chain reaction of complex social issues, in particularly complex physiologically related issues, addiction problems etc etc. there is no invisible hand of the market, this is economic mythology, there is no proof, anywhere in the world of this, all markets have some sort of political interaction, globally, and some of the most stable housing and accommodation markets in fact have strong political and state interaction, Singapore etc

doublejobbing 2

Ardillaun wrote: »

Resentment of various types of affordable/social housing would be less if Dublin property prices weren't so mad. To the west of a modestly sized city on a thinly populated island are veritable prairies of undeveloped land, to say nothing of sites in the city itself. There's a solution in there somewhere.

Of a bigger scandal is why Dublin local authorities buy homes off private developers or build on privately owned land.

Go to each and every 1970s into 80s local authority build estate in West and North Dublin and you could easily add in a.third more homes while still leaving plenty of green space. The amount of land left unused in these developments was mental.

Wanderer78

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Of a bigger scandal is why Dublin local authorities buy homes off private developers or build on privately owned land.

Go to each and every 1970s into 80s local authority build estate in West and North Dublin and you could easily add in a.third more homes while still leaving plenty of green space. The amount of land left unused in these developments was mental.

or maybe these areas could be developed into green areas for recreational use, the human mind doesnt exactly react well to large amounts of concrete

Timing belt

Wanderer78 wrote: »

the deregulation of our financial sector has been catastrophic for many reasons, particularly in relation to property and land, the availability of credit continues to push up asset prices, again particularly in relation to property and land, this is driving one of the most critical human needs out of reach of many. not having housing and accommodation security sets off a chain reaction of complex social issues, in particularly complex physiologically related issues, addiction problems etc etc.

Accommodation security is not the main reason for complex social issues or addiction problems. If it was true then we would should see less people with these issues in council estates and on HAP as they have accommodation security and know that the government will pay the rent. Workers in the private sector that have less accommodation security so should have more complex social issues and addiction problems by your logic. This doesn't appear to be the case in Reality.....

Wanderer78

Timing belt wrote: »

Accommodation security is not the main reason for complex social issues or addiction problems. If it was true then we would should see less people with these issues in council estates and on HAP as they have accommodation security and know that the government will pay the rent. Workers in the private sector that have less accommodation security so should have more complex social issues and addiction problems by your logic. This doesn't appear to be the case in Reality.....

we clearly live in completely different realities, accommodation insecurities is currently one of the main reasons for rising complex social and phycological issues globally, most mental health professionals would confirm this. do you have experience of living in a council estate? yes private sector workers indeed are also experiencing rising accommodation insecurities, this is in fact leading to a rise in complex social and phycological issues such as addiction problems, relationship brake downs, rising use of psychological medications, anti-depressants etc etc

doublejobbing 2

Wanderer78 wrote: »

or maybe these areas could be developed into green areas for recreational use, the human mind doesnt exactly react well to large amounts of concrete

Most of these areas have an abundance of established sports facilities already. Build more cost price houses on them for 170k a pop, simple. It was done in Ballymun at a co op development.

Wanderer78

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Most of these areas have an abundance of established sports facilities already. Build more cost price houses on them for 170k a pop, simple. It was done in Ballymun at a co op development.

all for co-op building, im currently living in a co-op build house

Timing belt

Wanderer78 wrote: »

we clearly live in completely different realities, accommodation insecurities is currently one of the main reasons for rising complex social and phycological issues globally, most mental health professionals would confirm this. do you have experience of living in a council estate? yes private sector workers indeed are also experiencing rising accommodation insecurities, this is in fact leading to a rise in complex social and phycological issues such as addiction problems, relationship brake downs, rising use of psychological medications, anti-depressants etc etc

Physiological issues can affect anyone in society whether they are millionaires or on the dole and are often deep rooted in a child’s development. Any mental health professional would confirm this.

Wanderer78

Timing belt wrote: »

Physiological issues can affect anyone in society whether they are millionaires or on the dole and are often deep rooted in a child’s development. Any mental health professional would confirm this.

this is correct, psychological issues are astonishingly complex, spare a thought for those that have found themselves homeless over the last few years, most, if not all of those individuals are currently experiencing the development of complex psychological issues, some of which will be irreversible. this will cost you, the tax payer, a fortune, to try deal with, and not just financially. most if not all of the children involved will now be experiencing these traumas, leading to your own correct conclusion!

ElJeffe

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Serious question. How do I get my hands on one of these? Do I need to get sacked and dumb down for a few years or what?

What's the minimum criteria to get one. Because paying full whack for a house when you can get one for little or nothing would be idiotic.

These people have frustrated me for years but I'm now beginning to see the merits. If you can't beat them, join them.

But yet you won't. You'll just continue to moan about it.

Idbatterim

Timing belt wrote: »

It’s down to fact that housing is deliberately in short supply because not enough housing is being built along with government policies that have kept most economic output in one region rather than credit that have caused the housing issue. There is no shortage of land in Ireland and the only reason for a shortage of housing stock is because the government refuse to take action and thereby make it a limited commodity.

There is no shortage of land in Dublin. The docklands is a farce, what wpuld other capital eu cities with mental rent and land prices build height wise? I reckon a lot more than the seven floor boxes that line the abysmal quays! Get them to commute in 40k on third world transport system instead of 40 floors up a lift...

Wanderer I agree with much of what you say, but essentially giving away free luxury housing is a scandal, a scandal, when many of the people paying for the farce, cant dream of it themselves!

I don't agree with the near free rent regardless of whether it is luxury or not. Its gone too far...

My dad is German, this kind of **** that is normalised and defended here, rte propaganda etc, " the vulnerable this" the vulnerable that, it's a different planet, people don't buy the endless excuses bulk**** here. Give them am education, then fcuk them. Link welfare received to education level or what you gave paid into the system.
We live in an obscene welfare state. Short of banning all waters from having kids, throwing endless money and resources at them, isn't the solution either. But it's the solution of irish governments for decades. They'd throw money at them and continue to do so, before they would reward the working poor who may have voted fg previously, that weasel varadkar would do nothing for those years claimed to represent, before he took a red cent off a lifelong waster here... despite being resented by the wasters, that he has delivered an obscene welfare republic for ...

I'll laugh if / when the **** all comes crashing down again. Sf allegedly a threat to the economy, from ffg?@ looooooolllll! Several magic money trees shot up near overnight at the start of the pandemic when fog needed them...

Idbatterim

Timing belt wrote: »

That made me laugh:-)

It’s even more funny considering that the left are not in power.

The left are in power...