How do you feel about paying tax? US/Ireland comparison

traco

Elite Genetics wrote: »

This is no different than comparing NYC, Tokyo and London to Dublin. Dublin is smaller than Manchester.

This is not Miami its a town / city on the Gulf coast. City population 22k and county population of 384k so no NYC, London or Tokyo.

By that logic Ireland isn't America and isn't even close to Texas so whats the point of the thread then?

Population of my local coastal village is 9k in North Dublin but county population is 1.2 million, popultaion of Fingal was 300k in 2016 as far as I can see. So I think my comparison is valid. Both areas are nice to live in and well to to do. I know whiich one is is cheaper when you add up all the numbers and thats excluding heathcare and we won't even compare the 3k university fee here with the US lotto numbers ones.

So you are right; cars are cheaper. However if you want a good lifestyle for you and your family you need a healthy 6 figure income to live the amercian dream.

frozenfrozen

thing about Ireland is the cost to be faster than 90% of other traffic is actually much lower than in other countries.

so our euro to performance ratio is actually one of the best in the world

NSAman

traco wrote: »

So you are right; cars are cheaper. However if you want a good lifestyle for you and your family you need a healthy 6 figure income to live the amercian dream.

And we all,know the same applies in Ireland.

To live any decent lifestyle you need money.

You just need more in Ireland to afford a very nice car and pay a lot more for the privilege. Where I live in the States is outside the city. 2 hours. Average wage is low. House prices are low. Instead of paying half a million mortgage for a three bedroom semi, houses start at $60-80k (for a decent house) yes they can run into the millions and do. Zero crime here.

There are walking trails, horses, golf, boating on rivers and lakes, skiing and most people live outdoors.

Every country has its pluses and minuses. You just pay more in Ireland for most things that are basics.

cnocbui

I like taxation in this country so much, I am planning to emigrate.

UK RRP of a Honda Civic Type R €35,820

Irish price - €56,225.

57% more expensive - F*ck that, I'm off.

The thing I like about the EU is the common market, particularly how it doesn't apply to things you buy that don't matter much, like cars, and alcohol and pharmaceuticals. So much for a common market.

cnocbui

cnocbui wrote: »

I like taxation in this country so much, I am planning to emigrate.

UK RRP of a Honda Civic Type R €35,820

Irish price - €56,225.

57% more expensive - F*ck that, I'm off.

The thing I like about the EU is the common market, particularly how it doesn't apply to things you buy that don't matter much, like cars, and alcohol and pharmaceuticals. So much for a common market.

It is a common market. The UK car or Irish car are built to the exact same quality and safety. Additional costs is due to delivery and dealer charges and taxes

cnocbui

salonfire wrote: »

It is a common market. The UK car or Irish car are built to the exact same quality and safety. Additional costs is due to delivery and dealer charges and taxes

It isn't a common market when you can't buy something from anywhere in that market, and avail of the prevailing price, which is the case with VRT acting like an import duty.

smellyoldboot

cnocbui wrote: »

It isn't a common market when you can't buy something from anywhere in that market, and avail of the prevailing price, which is the case with VRT acting like an import duty.

Exactly, true free trade within a trading block should mean equal competition between all markets. I should be able to buy my alcohol and cigarettes (if I smoked) from the likes of Spain as long as I pay taxes in the country of origin. Likewise with cars, insurance, finance products etc.

We emphatically do not have that type of free trade so we do not have a common market, more of a cartel like set up with non compete agreements.

For anyone who says such a setup couldn't possibly work? This is fundamentally how the USA works: 50 semi-autonomous states and a greater federal/nation state.

CiniO

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Exactly, true free trade within a trading block should mean equal competition between all markets. I should be able to buy my alcohol and cigarettes (if I smoked) from the likes of Spain as long as I pay taxes in the country of origin. Likewise with cars, insurance, finance products etc.

We emphatically do not have that type of free trade so we do not have a common market, more of a cartel like set up with non compete agreements.

For anyone who says such a setup couldn't possibly work? This is fundamentally how the USA works: 50 semi-autonomous states and a greater federal/nation state.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't "Smokey and the Bandit" about transporting beer east of Texas, which they called there bootlegging?

NSAman

CiniO wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't "Smokey and the Bandit" about transporting beer east of Texas, which they called there bootlegging?

Correct but....I can buy anywhere in the states....I cross the border to a different state for petrol, it’s cheaper, cigarettes are 20 dollars a carton cheaper than where I live. People from the city come to my county to purchase cigarettes as they are 80 dollars a carton cheaper here (local taxes make the difference). People from the other state come here to purchase beer and wine etc.

I also purchase my vehicles in other states most of the time (depending on local discount offers)....all of this creates competition which is ultimately all available to price online.

AndrewJRenko

Wibbs wrote: »

You could and should have just stopped at the point of quoting this part of their post:

You're like a fire and brimstone priest ranting about sin in an atheists forum and like a priest I suspect you're not practising what you preach nearly as much as you think you are. Now I'm sure you're all hairshirt and lycra(Fair trade) on your bamboo bicycle, farting organic ozone as you go and fair enough, but it's getting tiresome at this stage.

I'm a long way from perfect tbf. I drive a diesel, as that was the perceived wisdom at the time. But I don't drive it much at all, mostly 'Dad's taxi' duties at the weekend. I certainly don't drive it for fun, and I don't have a 2.3 vehicles per person ratio at my house, closer to the other way round.

And yeah, climate change is getting more than tiresome