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brevity

He played with Klopp at Dortmund I believe. By all accounts he is a good pro but technically limited. Does the simple things well.

brevity

Bandana boy

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Still trying to work out how Pogba got man of the MOM yesterday bizzare
we obviously targeted him and pressed him hard when he received the ball we must have won it back of him about 10 times,

Rashford and Cavani where miles better than him ,

Because Jenas is pretty clueless , his analysis on commentary is awful.
For Example he also mentioned 4 well worked goals at 2-2
3 were mistakes counterattacked !

Enzokk

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He doesn't suit our style of play at all , but I'm guessing people just want better than Williams and Phillips

Seems like people just want a body in there, whether he is good or not. Just sign a CB, any CB...otherwise our season is ruined. He might be crap and cost us point...but just sign someone!!

fyfe79

Enzokk wrote: »

Seems like people just want a body in there, whether he is good or not. Just sign a CB, any CB...otherwise our season is ruined. He might be crap and cost us point...but just sign someone!!

No, not anyone.... a PL-level CB is needed. The club won't be signing a mainstay CB in January so we need a stop-gap option for the remainder of this season and Sokratis fits the bill.

Maybe Sokratis might cost us some points if signed, who knows, but Williams and Philips are not PL standard and will certainly cost us points.

KevRossi

brevity wrote: »

He played with Klopp at Dortmund I believe. By all accounts he is a good pro but technically limited. Does the simple things well.

That'll do me. He'll have the experience to link with Matip and would be able to help TAA/Philips/Milner.

Main thing is he frees Fab and Hendo up to do their thing firther up the field.

mada999

Fitz* wrote: »

I think there was actually a few positives today, in amongst all the negatives around losing to Man Utd and being locked out of the cup.

It was probably the best Milner had played in a year. Granted not a lot as he is coming to the end of his career, but shows he can still play PL level games.

Trent's best game in a month or more. Form is temporary, class is permanent and all that.

Salah is back scoring and the team as a whole looked to have some confidence in their play again for 30 odd mins if the 2nd half too. 1st half was ok.

Gini is horribly out of form. He's getting very slow now on the ball now. Although to be fair, I think that he might be told to do this in certain scenarios - hold onto the ball as there is ab obvious fear of losing the ball and leaving the 2 unnatural CBs exposed but he is holding onto the ball too long when quick attacks are possible. He is breaking them attacks down by taking an extra touch too many.

I thought we played well in parts. Obviously the center of defense is killing us. We will be doing well to get top 4 if we keep with the same players. Worried that fab will get injured also.

Have to say Gini is being flogged at the moment..He's playing nearly every game

Better signs from Liverpool. I dont think we will lose against Spurs but 3 pts are badly needed

bangkok

brevity wrote: »

robertson thinks he playing Sunday league football there, brilliant finish from Greenwood

Harry Palmr

5 and a half days to do something. The rise in chatter suggests that we might just see someone dragged in off the street on loan.

The White Wolf

Harry Palmr wrote: »

5 and a half days to do something. The rise in chatter suggests that we might just see someone dragged in off the street on loan.

If we do get someone Williams was the sacrificial lamb.

yourdeadwright

bangkok wrote: »

robertson thinks he playing Sunday league football there, brilliant finish from Greenwood

He shouted at him not sure why people think that's a big deal ?

Id be more upset at the antics from DVB be honest ,no idea how he wasn't booked,

Agent Coulson

There has been no major movement in the transfer window yet within the premier league it's like all clubs are waiting for the other to blink first before the merry-go-round starts.

fyfe79

Harry Palmr wrote: »

5 and a half days to do something. The rise in chatter suggests that we might just see someone dragged in off the street on loan.

Looks like something is happening alright... enquiries for Alaba and now Sokratis.

It'll be some craic when Wes Morgan rocks up at Anfield next week! :eek:

bangkok

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He shouted at him not sure why people think that's a big deal ?

Id be more upset at the antics from DVB be honest ,no idea how he wasn't booked,

you dont often see it at top level football thats why i would imagine

fyfe79

bangkok wrote: »

robertson thinks he playing Sunday league football there, brilliant finish from Greenwood

Why are ye posting that stuff in the Liverpool thread anyway? The PL thread, FA Cup thread, Humour thread (nevermind the Utd thread) not enough?

Bill Ponderosa

brevity wrote: »

Was worth a try I suppose, if you're badly caught out of position then there's always school yard tactics!!

paulie21

bangkok wrote: »

you dont often see it at top level football thats why i would imagine

So your saying no Utd player has ever tried to put an opponent off before?

yourdeadwright

bangkok wrote: »

you dont often see it at top level football thats why i would imagine

Happens far more than you think just without the crowds its easier to hear,
Wasn't your very own Wayne Rooney know for sledging ,

SM01

I laughed aloud when Robertson did that, the cheeky bo11ix!

giveitholly

bangkok wrote: »

you dont often see it at top level football thats why i would imagine

Yeah utd players are usually roaring at their teammates to dive for a penalty

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yourdeadwright wrote: »

He shouted at him not sure why people think that's a big deal ?

Id be more upset at the antics from DVB be honest ,no idea how he wasn't booked,

This happens all the time, here’s Rafael for Utd doing the same.

brevity

bangkok wrote: »

robertson thinks he playing Sunday league football there, brilliant finish from Greenwood

"MAN ON!!!!"

Agent Coulson

Reports today that Madrid have dropped there focus on Mbappe and are going to be throwing everything at signing Haaland.

Knex*

SlickRic wrote: »

What really frustrated me about yesterday was that Utd weren't even good. Genuinely.

They didn't have to do much to get out when we tried to hem them in. Just lump it to Rashford who had Williams for breakfast. If our team was fully functioning, they'd have been in real trouble. But we weren't, and eventually they got out enough times to hurt us.

Aside from City, there aren't too many teams who are going to come out and try and press the game to Liverpool, and in all honesty, there is zero need for them to do so.

We lost to West Brom and Burnley with probably over 70% possession and both sides registering a handful of attacks.

United are an excellent counter attacking side, and scored two of their goals yesterday in that fashion. I don't really see why they would try anything different.

However, even on that front, there was spells when they did pass the ball about more than expected. And it was probably that willingness to be more open than the likes of Burnley, and even United in their previous game vs Liverpool, that led to them conceding two goals. Certainly our 2nd goal came about from them trying to pass out from the back.

We can be annoyed all we want about teams not taking the game to Liverpool and just hitting us on the counter, but really, teams are actually daft to try anything else at the moment.

Osmosis Jones

We shouldn't have given them so much opportunity to counter, their first goal came with Trent way up the pitch while the guy who's supposed to cover for him when he attacks losing the ball on the edge of United's box.

gimli2112

Had Virgin Sport on in the background all morning. Just watched the '84 and 2005 finals and now watching the 2018 semi final second leg against City.
It's got me through Monday morning.

I really can't get too worked up about this season. I accept our expectations have changed in recent years but with all that's happened I'm ok with it.

Jesus, Jesus just scored, we did win this right?

dogbert27

Knex* wrote: »

Aside from City, there aren't too many teams who are going to come out and try and press the game to Liverpool, and in all honesty, there is zero need for them to do so.

We lost to West Brom and Burnley with probably over 70% possession and both sides registering a handful of attacks.

United are an excellent counter attacking side, and scored two of their goals yesterday in that fashion. I don't really see why they would try anything different.

However, even on that front, there was spells when they did pass the ball about more than expected. And it was probably that willingness to be more open than the likes of Burnley, and even United in their previous game vs Liverpool, that led to them conceding two goals. Certainly our 2nd goal came about from them trying to pass out from the back.

We can be annoyed all we want about teams not taking the game to Liverpool and just hitting us on the counter, but really, teams are actually daft to try anything else at the moment.

Which makes you wonder are we daft for not trying something else.

It would be a lot easier with fans in the stadium to give the ball to the opponents away from home and let their fans get on their backs to start using the ball.
That's when we would hit them with the press and make quick breaks.

We need a change of tactic right now, especially against Spurs who will sit back and wait for the break with Son and Kane.

Knex*

Knex* wrote: »

............

We can be annoyed all we want about teams not taking the game to Liverpool and just hitting us on the counter, but really, teams are actually daft to try anything else at the moment.

Indeed, 3 pts from the last 15 in the league.....

Burnley, Man Utd, Southampton, Newcastle and West Brom......... fair enough Utd are top of the PL but with 2.1ppg they aren't wonderful.

It's up top us to play to get points, not hope the opposition plays to suit us. Whatever that is these days.

Enzokk

So I guess Lampard getting the sack will be the warning to not rush into getting a previous legend to take over before they are tested and ready. I wish there was a way to know when this is, but unfortunately it is as much down to luck and guessing than anything, like most of management is really.

I wonder if we should pull the trigger as well? Chelsea is only points 5 behind us and if we act now, with the new coach bounce, we can counteract their bounce and keep ahead of them and in the top 4.














Yes, that is not to be taken seriously.

Ottoman_1000

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

Pressure is definitely getting to him these past few weeks, gone is the happy chappy everybody's friend, he's slowly turning into Benitez towards the end.

Wonder if it's the beginning of the end for him.

You have got to be joking right? what team in the world would replace a manager of the quality of Klopp and who would you replace him with. His has just led this Liverpool team to record breaking back to back seasons and now because of a poor few months he should be sacked. No wonder football is gone mad these days!!!

Chesty08

The over reaction to FSG, Williams, Trent etc,.. is an absolute disgrace!

We have a shocking fan base truth be told!

yourdeadwright

Chesty08 wrote: »

The over reaction to FSG, Williams, Trent etc,.. is an absolute disgrace!

We have a shocking fan base truth be told!

Its mainly kids on the internet I wouldn't worry ,

Bill Ponderosa

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

We shouldn't have given them so much opportunity to counter, their first goal came with Trent way up the pitch while the guy who's supposed to cover for him when he attacks losing the ball on the edge of United's box.

This is it in a nutshell, everyone blaming the centre backs but it was a full backs who were badly caught out of position for 2 goals. Bombing on at every opportunity and completely forgot about defending. United targeted both from the start and it paid off.
Klopp played right into Ole's hands yesterday.

yourdeadwright

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

This is it in a nutshell, everyone blaming the centre backs but it was a full backs who were badly caught out of position for 2 goals. Bombing on at every opportunity and completely forgot about defending. United targeted both from the start and it paid off.
Klopp played right into Ole's hands yesterday.

Its our style of play ,its the style that has made us the team we are why would we stop playing it ?

He got beat yesterday due to a horrific mistake by a rookie 19 year old CB , (simple ball to cut out ) and a silly free kick by a CM playing CB,

Full backs where fine ,

Harry Palmr

In the end Williams got the treatment from Rashford which TAA was subjected to three seasons ago. As such he himself should have realised quickly and yes Klopp as well.

Osmosis Jones

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

This is it in a nutshell, everyone blaming the centre backs but it was a full backs who were badly caught out of position for 2 goals. Bombing on at every opportunity and completely forgot about defending. United targeted both from the start and it paid off.
Klopp played right into Ole's hands yesterday.

I actually don't agree that it's the fullbacks' fault, in our system it's their job to play as high up the pitch as possible and it's the job of the midfield to cover their positions. United's equaliser came down our right while Trent was high up the pitch doing his job, the problem is that rather than slotting in back there Gini Wijnaldum was up in United's box despite having no idea what to do with the ball that high up the pitch whenever he gets it, which ultimately led to him passing it away and us getting caught out.

Ultimately that's what we miss most without Henderson in midfield, his most important job is exhibiting restraint to stay back and cover while others bomb forward.

SM01

Full backs were fine yesterday. Replace two of VVD/Gomez/Matip with a deputising CM and an inexperienced kid and that's what you get.

BorneTobyWilde

Chesty08 wrote: »

The over reaction to FSG, Williams, Trent etc,.. is an absolute disgrace!

We have a shocking fan base truth be told!

FSG never felt to distant. Silence can be deafening.


Linda doesn't even tweet anyone, she was ALWAYS front and centre for every game.
It's the little things that count, at least it shows some interest

yourdeadwright

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

FSG never felt to distant. Silence can be deafening.


Linda doesn't even tweet anyone, she was ALWAYS front and centre for every game.
It's the little things that count, at least it shows some interest

I'm not sure if people on here are actually serious or not anymore

Owners wife hasn't tweeted about us ….. the absolute BASTARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

SlickRic

Chesty08 wrote: »

The over reaction to FSG, Williams, Trent etc,.. is an absolute disgrace!

We have a shocking fan base truth be told!

you're allowed criticise and still be a fan.

they're not mutually exclusive.

rob316

Feel for Thiago, you can see he's not doing what he was bought for. Hard to see the best of him playing in a thrown together midfield. Put him in with Hendo and Fab and its a whole other ball game.

Agent Coulson

This is the team I'd go for it gets Fab back into midfield and getting Hendo back covering for TAA going forward.

Philips is a natural CB but has proper match experience at senior level in Germany that puts him ahead of Williams.

You can put Bobby/Shaq or Keita in the middle of the 3.

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Ali

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TAA

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Matip

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Philips

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Robbo

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Thiago

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Fab

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Hendo

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Bobby/Keita/Shaq

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Mane

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Salah

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yourdeadwright

Agent Coulson wrote: »

This is the team I'd go for it gets Fab back into midfield and getting Hendo back covering for TAA going forward.

Philips is a natural CB but has proper match experience at senior level in Germany that puts him ahead of Williams.

You can put Bobby/Shaq or Keita in the middle of the 3.

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Ali

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TAA

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Matip

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Philips

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Robbo

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Thiago

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Fab

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Hendo

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Bobby/Keita/Shaq

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Mane

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Salah

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Fab will not play in midfield again this season unless we sign a CB and even then I doubt we would see hi in midfield,

You just have to live with that reality now ,

Demosthenese

We'll see Fabinho in midfield again next season when VVD returns. Not before.
We were blessed for 2 seasons with injuries. This year has just kicked us in the nuts. Not alot we can do but push on.

I'd be delighted with literally ANY recognised CB being bought now just to stop Hendo being pushed back into the backline. That's the real killer for me. Losing Fabinho hurts, but Hendo too is just ****.

United with Fred and McTominay in CB
Spurs with Sissoko and Hoijberg in CB
Leicester with Tielemans and Ndidi in CB .... it even sounds ridiculous to even type it!!!

No matter what way it falls we are a patched up side without both of them playing in Midfield.

That said, there's 20 odd games left this season with CL as well ... we need to find a solution to it. One that will go for a few games. It'll be 2 games a week again and we need to go up a gear.

This is what Klopp is all about now. Time for him to find the solution. We've seen from United/Leicester that you can put winning streaks together by being more pragmatic and defencive in your setup - just be more clinical in attack.

KevRossi

Sokratis has joined Olympiakos, so that's that one out.

https://twitter.com/olympiacosfc/status/1353762579563343873

RonanG86

Sokratis makes Williams look rapid, so I doubt he was ever seriously considered.

If we just want to play any senior center back who doesn't try and defend 15 yards higher than his pace allows him, we could just field Phillips. He's not quick either, but at least he knows he's not quick and drops off accordingly.

~Rebel~

RonanG86 wrote: »

Sokratis makes Williams look rapid, so I doubt he was ever seriously considered.

If we just want to play any senior center back who doesn't try and defend 15 yards higher than his pace allows him, we could just field Phillips. He's not quick either, but at least he knows he's not quick and drops off accordingly.

He really doesn't. He's not the quickest on the turn, but is a lot quicker than Williams (or Nat) moving over the ground, and just an infinitely more experienced and better defender than both.

As a short term fix, he'd have been grand.

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Sources for Sokratis sprint speed once he's moving;
Was the 5th fastest in the Bundesliga between 2011 and 2018.

Was the third fastest in Arsenal's squad.

As I said above, he's not the quickest on the turn or over a sudden burst of 5 yards, but has decent recovery pace if there's space to run into. Like playing in a higher line for instance.

Demosthenese

RonanG86 wrote: »

Sokratis makes Williams look rapid, so I doubt he was ever seriously considered.

If we just want to play any senior center back who doesn't try and defend 15 yards higher than his pace allows him, we could just field Phillips. He's not quick either, but at least he knows he's not quick and drops off accordingly.

The problem is not his or Williams pace per say - it's our style of play wills us to push into a VERY high line with fullbacks being our biggest forward threat - giving width. This isolates defenders with lack of pace - in that scenario. Put Williams and Phillips in Burnleys defence ... no worries there! Hard to run in behind Ben Mee when he is sitting on the 18 yard box for 90 mins ...

Klopp clearly doesn't fancy Phillips on the ball playing out - when he weighs it up he goes for Williams. Unfortunately - that overrides Hendo goin in there when Matip if not fit.

Agent Coulson

Barca's books have been released ahead of the election and they owe Liverpool €40m from the Coutinho deal.

https://twitter.com/Millar_Colin/status/1353740303166017538?s=20

Damien360

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Barca's books have been released ahead of the election and they owe Liverpool €29m from the Coutinho deal.

They owe a total of €97m to other clubs.

I thought Liverpool got everything up front for Coutinho. We discussed this a few times in here and it was always the same conclusion.