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There's a big difference with playing Thiago alongside Fabinho and Hendo or Keita's energy beside them than playing alongside 35 year old James Milner in his 4th game in 10 days and Shaqiri just floating around.

Mr.Crinklewood

ebbsy wrote: »

No crowds

Unbelievable injuries

No preseason

Matches are like training sessions

Is it a real season ? I dont think so.

Popped in to see how you guys were reacting, this post reminded me of this....


Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me
Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters
Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo - (anyway the wind blows)
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all
I see a little silhouetto of a man
Scaramouch, scaramouch will you do the fandango
Thunderbolt and lightning - very very frightening me
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo Figaro - magnifico
But I'm just a poor boy and nobody loves me
He's just a poor boy from a poor family
Spare him his life from this monstrosity
Easy come easy go - will you let me go
Bismillah! No - we will not let you go - let him go
Bismillah! We will not let you go - let him go
Bismillah! We will not let you go - let me go
Will not let you go - let me go (never)
Never let you go - let me go
Never let me go - ooo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no -
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me
For me
For me
So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye
So you think you can love me and leave me to die
Oh baby - can't do this to me baby
Just gotta get out - just gotta get right outta here
Ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Nothing really matters
Anyone can see
Nothing really matters - nothing really matters to me
Anyway the wind blows...

FixdePitchmark

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Thiago is clearly a decent footballer, but he just does not suit our style. Too often he picks up the ball and instead of playing it first time, he takes a few touches and the window to attack is lost.

Spot on

fyfe79

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Thiago is clearly a decent footballer, but he just does not suit our style. Too often he picks up the ball and instead of playing it first time, he takes a few touches and the window to attack is lost.

Great player but when you think back to our best displays over the past 2 seasons, the ball is rarely moving so central and so slowly.

To save this season I reckon Klopp has to be incredibly brave by playing the two new lads at CB, moving Fab and Hendo back into midfield with Thiago playing in behind the 3 lads up front.

Ardent

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Thiago is clearly a decent footballer, but he just does not suit our style. Too often he picks up the ball and instead of playing it first time, he takes a few touches and the window to attack is lost.

I disagree. He's exactly what we need - we don't have enough creative midfielders who can thread a through ball or draw opponents resulting in space for others. He just hasn't got into the groove yet.

Harry Palmr

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In a few weeks Mane, Fab, Jota will all be playing hopefully. Add in the new boys at teh back one or both and the middle will start to look like itself again. It's not over bar the title challenge.

BionicRasher

Bobby needs quick one touch balls in to him. Salah needs ball to his feet with space to attack
The full backs need to get the ball pinged to them and bomb up the line
They are getting none of that and I really don’t think Thiago is the one to provide it
Everything is sideways and way too obvious

Maybe we will see something when Hendo and Fab are in next to him but at the moment I can’t see it

Ottoman_1000

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Popped in to see how you guys were reacting, this post reminded me of this....


Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me
Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters
Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo - (anyway the wind blows)
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all
I see a little silhouetto of a man
Scaramouch, scaramouch will you do the fandango
Thunderbolt and lightning - very very frightening me
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo Figaro - magnifico
But I'm just a poor boy and nobody loves me
He's just a poor boy from a poor family
Spare him his life from this monstrosity
Easy come easy go - will you let me go
Bismillah! No - we will not let you go - let him go
Bismillah! We will not let you go - let him go
Bismillah! We will not let you go - let me go
Will not let you go - let me go (never)
Never let you go - let me go
Never let me go - ooo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no -
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me
For me
For me
So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye
So you think you can love me and leave me to die
Oh baby - can't do this to me baby
Just gotta get out - just gotta get right outta here
Ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Nothing really matters
Anyone can see
Nothing really matters - nothing really matters to me
Anyway the wind blows...

a bit like yer forum after the Sheffield United game last week...funny aul game ain't it?

SlickRic

Put Thiago in a functioning midfield and defence, where you've Henderson and Fabinho pressing and recycling the ball further up the field, and then judge him.

MD1990

Bissouma we need to sign him. Excellent tonight

FixdePitchmark

Ardent wrote: »

I disagree. He's exactly what we need - we don't have enough creative midfielders who can thread a through ball or draw opponents resulting in space for others. He just hasn't got into the groove yet.

We have some of the fastest front men in English football. And he goes for a floating incredible stunning ball.

But it is too slow . Even the flight of ball too high and slow.

torrevieja

When is Jota, Mane, Van Dyke, back ?

Zak Flaps

Not our year.

Harry Palmr

Someone pointed out on twitter LFC have a terrible record against (small) teams beginning with B - Brighton, Barnsley, Burnley, Birmingham City, Bristol City as I replied but a great record against (big) German teams beginning with the same letter

Ikozma

Thiago looks great on the ball but that's as far as it goes I'm affraid
Fulham, West brom, Newcastle, Burnley, Southampton and Brighton twice.. 4 goals and 4 points from those games, just let that ****ing sink in

Charlie19

100% we have our issues with injuries but ffs why didn't the players on the pitch learn after about 5 minutes to stop putting the ball out wide for Trent and Robo to put in hopeless crosses into a box full of Brighton players that are way taller than our lot.

That goes for corners too and the management should've instructed the players on something different.

murpho999

People criticising Thiago don't get why he was bought.

He's hardly played in the team that he was supposed to slot int and played in makeshift midfields since he come back from injury.

Tonight we were missing Allison, Matip/Gomez, Virgil, Fabinho, Keita, Mane & Jota.

How can people expect performances and results not to suffer and players like Thiago to struggle?

cj maxx

We all agree the league is gone. Is ou CL place at risk ?

BionicRasher

Ikozma wrote: »

Thiago looks great on the ball but that's as far as it goes I'm affraid
Fulham, West brom, Newcastle, Burnley, Southampton and Brighton twice.. 4 goals and 4 points from those games, just let that ****ing sink in

Maybe I am wrong but I don’t think Thiago had any assists for last season?
Something similar shaping up here

ebbsy

Thiago will be a great player for us.

This run of injuries is not sustainable. It never was.

doc_17

cj maxx wrote: »

We all agree the league is gone. Is ou CL place at risk ?

Yes. It was never ours....

Utopia Parkway

BionicRasher wrote: »

Maybe I am wrong but I don’t think Thiago had any assists for last season?
Something similar shaping up here

He's never been a big goal scorer or assister. Neither was Xabi Alonso and he was pretty good.

giveitholly

cj maxx wrote: »

We all agree the league is gone. Is ou CL place at risk ?

Hopefully with Jota,Mane and kieta back and bring at least one if not two of Fab and hendo into midfield will be enough to get top 4 and reset for next season

Ikozma

Charlie19 wrote: »

100% we have our issues with injuries but ffs why didn't the players on the pitch learn after about 5 minutes to stop putting the ball out wide for Trent and Robo to put in hopeless crosses into a box full of Brighton players that are way taller than our lot.

That goes for corners too and the management should've instructed the players on something different.

This is all we do, and have done for the last 4 years, why change now

MD1990

Thiago would not be playing every 3 days if we had more midfield options

Utopia Parkway

MD1990 wrote: »

Thiago would not be playing every 3 days if we had more midfield options

And Gini wouldn't be bollocksed from playing every game and Milner starting regularly.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

When we were losing we would just go and get an equaliser and then score in the last few mins of a game. We won everything. VAR loved us. Everything was there for the taking. And now it's all over. And that's the hardest part. Today, everything is different. There's no action. We have to watch the lads pass out wide to Trent and Robbo who swing it in and it goes nowhere. But at least we won the league :pac:

Zak Flaps

murpho999 wrote: »

People criticising Thiago don't get why he was bought.

He's hardly played in the team that he was supposed to slot int and played in makeshift midfields since he come back from injury.

Tonight we were missing Allison, Matip/Gomez, Virgil, Fabinho, Keita, Mane & Jota.

How can people expect performances and results not to suffer and players like Thiago to struggle?

Hopefully he'll be better when they all return. I thought he'd be perfect for games like tonight's, i.e. creating chances when it's hard to break teams down, but he hasn't done that yet in most of these type of games.
Maybe the forwards aren't making the runs, getting into good spaces.
I'm just a little disappointed.

BorneTobyWilde

No excuse to not be hitting the target, that is by choice.

passremarkable

Very disappointing performance.
League officially over tonight.
The zip in our play just isn’t there in the main.
Too many disruptions to the team and no real rhythm created. Top 4 has to be the focus and a proper crack at number 7.

BorneTobyWilde

Firmino is great when things are going good, he's no good in a crisis though. Seems to want ages on the ball when in front of goal.

FixdePitchmark

BionicRasher wrote: »

Maybe I am wrong but I don’t think Thiago had any assists for last season?
Something similar shaping up here

Stunning looking footballer - great to watch.

But - if he doesn't create goals as people are saying
He is a poor tackler of the ball
Does not break up play - or win ball back
Loses ball in dangerous parts of the pitch

Has not interest in picking out the most amazing front men as quickly as he can think -

A serious question - what the hell is he for.

Utopia Parkway

Few more weeks for Jota according to Klopp. Mane might be available for City but hasn't been training.

Augme

Thiago is the least of our problems. Seems a strange one to be highlighting him. There's about 10 other areas that need to be fixed before we get to him. We really miss having an inform striker. Jota was a huge loss.

FixdePitchmark

Zak Flaps wrote: »

Hopefully he'll be better when they all return. I thought he'd be perfect for games like tonight's, i.e. creating chances when it's hard to break teams down, but he hasn't done that yet in most of these type of games.
Maybe the forwards aren't making the runs, getting into good spaces.
I'm just a little disappointed.

Henderson - Sahq and Jones individually - have created more goals in his 10 games.

BorneTobyWilde

We should be playing deeper at home by choice. This thing of playing 89 minutes in the oppositions half, and then allowing them to score the one time they go forward is becomes a bad habit.

Charlie19

Ikozma wrote: »

This is all we do, and have done for the last 4 years, why change now

Because we haven't got the same personal available and it was clear as day that putting in crosses tonight wasn't going to work and it's hasn't been working at home for a couple months now.

Fromvert

The problem with Thiago is the other CM's and CB's literally stand 5 feet from him. The fullbacks do it too as well at times. If he has the ball ****in run and not be looking to play one twos five yards apart at the half way line under no pressure which the players are constantly doing.

It's also a reason I'm a little wary of a Thiago/Henderson/Fabinho midfield I feel they may end up on each others toes a lot.

cj maxx

doc_17 wrote: »

Yes. It was never ours....

I don’t mean it was ours by right , but it would have been the minimum most fans and people associated with the club would have expected .

~Rebel~

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Might help the squad if after 4 years the manger realizes you cant have Origi as your back uo striker

Its even more bizzare given how bad Firmino has veen for 2 years now

In fairness, we did get an improved backup striker, he's just also out injured.

Had Jota not been broken, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Origi would have left on loan too, with a view to selling him in the summer.

The White Wolf

Just a general observation on the players we have available; a more direct approach will suit the likes of Shaq, Origi, Chamberlain and even Salah, and playing more direct is the reason why the previous two results went our way.

The patient build up stuff just isn't utilising the players we have that are fit. It was painful seeing Divock stand around and even get in the way tonight while we were dicking around ponderously.

doc_17

cj maxx wrote: »

I don’t mean it was ours by right , but it would have been the minimum most fans and people associated with the club would have expected .

Before all the injuries, yeah. But the amount we’ve had are unsustainable, especially when the only backup after Jota is Origi, and milner plays as many games as he’s playing.

Muahahaha

cj maxx wrote: »

We all agree the league is gone. Is ou CL place at risk ?

Think top 4 will be grand, Spurs and Chelsea 7 points behind us and play each other tomorrow. West Ham and Everton arent going to put up a challenge.

Thought Kelleher did everything asked of him tonight but how unlucky have we been with injuries, seems like we manage a new one every 10 days or so lately

rob316

Klopp needs to be brave and play 2 of our 3 centre backs in defence, there can be no more Henderson and fabinho in there we desperately need them in midfield with thiago.

The White Wolf

rob316 wrote: »

Klopp needs to be brave and play 2 of our 3 centre backs in defence, there can be no more Henderson and fabinho in there we desperately need them in midfield with thiago.

Assuming Allison stays fit I see no reason to delay playing Davies/Phillips/Ozan. It will be a big help having him behind them.

Leftwaffe

That’s that as regards the title. A shame. In truth we just haven’t been good enough, signs were there all season that we wouldn’t turn around our form and resemble something from last season.

Just need to fight for top four.

Ottoman_1000

While not a complete overhaul. This has to be a summer for changes....Ox, Shaq, Origi and Minaminho must be replaced. With Gini going himself thats another midfielder required. Kieta and Matip can't be depened on but maybe kept and we desperately need cover for both our full backs!!! That is a lot of work for one summer I know but we have to start...

Shanee.

Need something like this for Sunday

Ali
Trent Davies/Kabak Fabinho Robbo
Hendo Thiago Jones
Salah Bobby Mane

And going forward we should be trying to get the new CBs as much game time as possible to get Fabinho back into the midfield.

MD1990

I would probably sell Keita as well.
I rate him but he cannot stay fit. We wuld get a decent fee 25-30m for him.

Edwards needs to not hold out all summer for fees that other clubs wont match.
Wilson & Grujic should have been sold last summer.

paulie21

What I cant figure out is why we persist with an out swinging corner. A poor team in the air surely in swingers should be better a touch off anyone's head could lead to a goal opposition defenders included. At least mix it up a bit