Hundreds of Muslims gather to celebrate funeral of man who beheaded French teacher

DelaneyIn

PARIS (AFP) - A schoolgirl who sparked a deadly online hate campaign against a French teacher after he showed cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed to students has admitted to lying and spreading false claims about him, her lawyer said on Monday (March 8).

The girl had claimed the teacher, Mr Samuel Paty, who was beheaded by an Islamic extremist in the street in October last year, had asked Muslims to leave the class when he showed the cartoons.

The girl's father later lodged a legal complaint and amplified the allegations online, leading an 18-year-old Chechen refugee to track down Mr Paty in the town of Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, south-west of Paris.

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/schoolgirl-admits-to-lying-about-beheaded-french-teacher

What a scumbag family. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. We should be thanking teachers in poorer/ more problematic areas for the work they do. From what I've read about Mr Patty, he was nothing but respectful to his Muslim students. He probably loved his students and his work. Such a waste of life.

newmember2

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

...Dragging up one murder to try and minimise another is insulting to those who have died and their loved ones.

All religions are nonsense some are worse but only one seems to have a problem with violence in the name of the religion.

I have no time for Republic or Loyalist murdering scumbags.

Islam is never going to change when people keep on trying to sweep the terror under the carpet.

I don't worry about offending people who do not see murder as a vile and evil act.

All murder is evil what happened in Paris was Demonic.

I think the aim of bringing up other more local and familiar comparisons is to highlight the absurdity of the outrage on here and the then dragging of the thread down the usual Muslim is evil bolloks. The thread is specifically about 200 mourners attending a funeral of someone who murdered someone for some godforsaken cause, only the most brainless fail to see the comparisons.

Hellotonever

There is a pattern of phenomenons that happen in muslim countries. Not exclusively there as you see it happening in christian countries too such as the evangelical south of the USA, and poverty ridden countries in the caucasus like Georgia. You see this pattern in these nations which produce what we can call less-developed (devolved) people:

1. Religious fundamentalism
2. Anti intellectualism
3. Poverty
4. Incest/inbreeding
5. Fetishization of military/violence

All of these produce a race of less-developed people. They are pathologically, physically and mentally incapable of living in a western liberal society and understand and respecting peoples values. The high rate of incest makes people who are quite literally genetically inferior, with statistically lower IQ and higher rates of mental illness and physical deformity. Again this is not exclusive to western countries, but since this is a discussion about muslim ones please google muslim nations and incest birth rates.

Now consider the fact that you wouldn’t want to live beside loud, bible thumping, gun toting rednecks, and now consider that muslim nations essentially have their version of these people going to Europe and lashing out as you’d expected mentally ill violent people would. The same way white southerners sometimes do in the US with their weird cults.

It is not discriminatory to outright say that Islam is incompatible with western values, and if they want to continue worshiping their prophet and god that they should either be put on a register and monitored to ensure coexistence or they should just stay in their own country to continue practicing their beliefs.

TomTomTim

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/schoolgirl-admits-to-lying-about-beheaded-french-teacher

What a scumbag family. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. We should be thanking teachers in poorer/ more problematic areas for the work they do. From what I've read about Mr Patty, he was nothing but respectful to his Muslim students. He probably loved his students and his work. Such a waste of life.

What ever happened with the story of the Irish lecturer murdered by a Pakistani Muslim on similar grounds? I remember the initial story, but there wasn't much of a follow up. You'd think that in a sane world something like that would be all over Irish news for months, but it got a bare amount of coverage. Imagine if he was killed by some right wing native? We'd never of heard the end of it.

jmreire

newmember? wrote: »

I think the aim of bringing up other more local and familiar comparisons is to highlight the absurdity of the outrage on here and the then dragging of the thread down the usual Muslim is evil bolloks. The thread is specifically about 200 mourners attending a funeral of someone who murdered someone for some godforsaken cause, only the most brainless fail to see the comparisons.

This is not a blanked condemnation of all Muslims. But the point is,had this been any other Chechan Muslim who died in the west, and taken home for burial , no problem. But he was returned home as a hero, and was hailed as such.Not word of condemnation for the murderous act he performed, and the way it was done or the slightest sympathy for an innocent man and his Family. Samuel offended Mohammad, and deserved to die.This is about a religion which condones murder, and the relevant passages cannot be changed. If Muslims cannot delete these passages, then they need to overhaul and modify the conditions which allow it.But until this is done, then we can expect more of the same, the most recent incident is the 8 people attacked in Sweden last week. Will it be the last or will it be repeated?

Ramasun

In Ireland we regularly commemorate people who have murdered Christians for their faith/political allegiance.

It's a bit more complicated than that from our perspective.

Pretty crazy that she was lying about it.

WrenBoy

Ramasun wrote: »

In Ireland we regularly commemorate people who have murdered Christians for their faith/political allegiance.

It's a bit more complicated than that from our perspective.

You mean the conflict between people who wanted Ireland to belong to Britain and the people that wanted to have an independent country free from a foreign power ?
Why phrase it as if we were killing people because of their religion or for voting fianna fáil over the Greens ? Its not like we are beheading random grandmothers in a church to please our God.

dontmindme

WrenBoy wrote: »

You mean the conflict between people who wanted Ireland to belong to Britain and the people that wanted to have an independent country free from a foreign power ?
Why phrase it as if we were killing people because of their religion or for voting fianna fáil over the Greens ? Its not like we are beheading random grandmothers in a church to please our God.

Ah yeh, sure when you say it like that, sure there's no problem blowing up men women and children.

What would Mohammed do?

Oh...

Hellotonever

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210308-student-admits-to-lying-over-claims-of-islamophobia-against-beheaded-teacher-samuel-paty

Islam is simply incompatible with western liberal values. It cannot exist here in any capacity unless it is syncretic and assimilated.

On an individual level we might know of one or multiple muslims who have assimilated well in western society, but as a macro-social phenomenon Islam is simply incompatible. Its not Islamaphobic to say this: Phobia implies irrational fear.

Measure from any metric of causes and effects, Islam is simply incompatible. It should not be fostered (unless defanged as it were of extremist elements and fundamentalism).

A good and valid compromise would be to track muslims and mosques. They have done this in the US during the Bush administration to relative efficacy.

Beheadings, shootings and bombings by Muslim extremists have become so regular in Western Europe that there will never be a 9/11 event where the various states rally and terminate domestic and foreign threats.

WrenBoy

dontmindme wrote: »

Ah yeh, sure when you say it like that, sure there's no problem blowing up men women and children.

I actually had a fair chunk written out but Im not explaining the differences between the IRA and the worldwide extremists who adhere to the islamic directive to invade, subjugate and forcibly convert the population of other countries again. 10 times is enough..

TomTomTim

WrenBoy wrote: »

I actually had a fair chunk written out but Im not explaining the differences between the IRA and the worldwide extremists who adhere to the islamic directive to invade, subjugate and forcibly convert the population of other countries again. 10 times is enough..

I've wondered in the past, should we not simply create a definitive counter argument to all these points, archive them, and simply link them anytime they come up? It would save these threads being derailed with the same arguments over and over again.

biko

Turns out the 13-year-old pupil schoolgirl (probably born and raised in democratic France) that told her father Paty had shown a caricature of Muhammad wasn't even in school that day.

Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.

Ten days after her comments, the teacher, 47, was beheaded by 18-year-old Abdullakh Anzorov, who was later shot dead by police.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-samuel-paty-beheading-schoolgirl-b1814372.html

BensMixed

joseywhales wrote: »

So on topic(not ira comparisons or radicalised islam)

Do people believe that someone who commits a terrible crime should not have a funeral? Or that people should not be allowed to attend? I am still not seeing the issue. It seems imbalanced to want to deny burial or return a body to a family even after death. Surely death is the end of it, should we raise their bodies on spikes?

Why would I get angry at a corpse?

Good post. A parents love for their child isn't going to end instantly if the child has committed an appalling act. The same goes for his extended family. Of course it was a disgusting act but if it's your own family member, emotions don't work in a way that they just turn on or off.

DelaneyIn

TomTomTim wrote: »

What ever happened with the story of the Irish lecturer murdered by a Pakistani Muslim on similar grounds? I remember the initial story, but there wasn't much of a follow up. You'd think that in a sane world something like that would be all over Irish news for months, but it got a bare amount of coverage. Imagine if he was killed by some right wing native? We'd never of heard the end of it.

The killer claims that he murdered him as he said something nasty about his God.

He told police that the teacher had made fun of the Muslim religion during English classes at the university.

Ali, who had just renewed his residency permit to stay in France, told authorities, he killed Dowling because “He produced a drawing, which he showed off in class, insulting the prophet Mohammed.”

However, no other students remember such an incident.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/pakistani-killer-irish-lecturer-insulted-prophet

If he was murdered by a nationalist or right winger he’d be remembered and mourned more so in the Irish media. And rightfully so. Pity they’ve forgotten about him as he’s an innocent victim with a killer that goes against their agenda and narrative.

May he RIP.

nigeldaniel

The issue I think is, increasing numbers of young people are raised and thought by fundamental and fanatic people. As a result, they believe totally in what they do. Not long ago a dead IRA man would get a good number at their funeral too. and it would be celebrated. In short, as long as someone corrupts a young mind that young mind will do something very bad indeed thinking they are doing right. It's not going to stop until the educators are held to account.

jmreire

BensMixed wrote: »

Good post. A parents love for their child isn't going to end instantly if the child has committed an appalling act. The same goes for his extended family. Of course it was a disgusting act but if it's your own family member, emotions don't work in a way that they just turn on or off.

And Patys family ?. I'm pretty sure ( in fact I'm certain) his family are destroyed not only by his death, but especially the manner of it. So sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for the Chechen or his family or friends. Beheading is the favourite method of excecution with isis too.

weisses

jmreire wrote: »

And Patys family ?. I'm pretty sure ( in fact I'm certain) his family are destroyed not only by his death, but especially the manner of it. So sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for the Chechen or his family or friends. Beheading is the favourite method of excecution with isis too.

Beheading .... Kneecapped shot in the head and buried in a bog ... End result remains the same

jmreire

weisses wrote: »

Beheading .... Kneecapped shot in the head and buried in a bog ... End result remains the same

So kneecapping, head shots and bog burials are still going on in 2020? The big difference is that with Islam, beheading has been the punishment for unbelievers or those who insult the Prophet since the 6th century, and will continue until the end of time. Now thats some difference......

WrenBoy

weisses wrote: »

Beheading .... Kneecapped shot in the head and buried in a bog ... End result remains the same

Shocked to learn the IRA are engaged in a worldwide campaign to murder anyone that critiques/insults Martin McGuinness.

TomTomTim

weisses wrote: »

Beheading .... Kneecapped shot in the head and buried in a bog ... End result remains the same

The IRA's end goal: a liberated Ireland. Something both reasonable and achievable.

The Islamist's end goal: global domination of the Islamic faith. Which is both unreasonable and likely unachievable


You can keep playing the false equivalence game until the end of the earth, but it won't change the fact that your equivalences aren't equivalent.

weisses

TomTomTim wrote: »

The IRA's end goal: a liberated Ireland. Something both reasonable and achievable.

The Islamist's end goal: global domination of the Islamic faith. Which is both unreasonable and likely unachievable


You can keep playing the false equivalence game until the end of the earth, but it won't change the fact that your equivalences aren't equivalent.

Tell that to the grieving families

Every terrorist group has their own reasons for doing what they do

Your faux outrage regarding one group doesn't stick

BlaktainPicard

endacl wrote: »

They returned him to Chechnya? Were all the open landfill tipheads in France full? He could have fed a family of seagulls for a week.

Should have buried him with a load of pigs ...

That should be a deterrent to these f*ckers, anyone that dies in the act of Islamic terrorism doesn't get an Islamic burial, but is buried with a load of pigs in an unmarked location ...

jmreire

weisses wrote: »

Tell that to the grieving families

Every terrorist group has their own reasons for doing what they do

Your faux outrage regarding one group doesn't stick

The grieving Families....well head for head, (pun intended ) Islamic extremists win hands down in the Nrs stakes..they have caused more grieving familys than any other grouping. The majority of these deaths were caused by the above mentioned Islamic extremist's killing their fellow Muslims..you can take your pick, isis, al-shabab, boko harem, al-quaeda, taliban etc. If the Nr of Islamic caused deaths in the west came anywhere near the nrs in the middle east, Afghanistan etc. the extremists would get their longed for "Holy War" (Syria was only a warm up, but dont worry, they are still working on it ) Anzorov was shot dead, and his intact body returned to his Family. , where he was giving a hero's welcome. The grieving process would have been softened by the fact that the family now have martyr with their name, and in that part of the world, that commands respect.Mr. Paty's body, on the other hand ,( and unless they have very skilled morticians, ) was returned to his Family in a sealed casket, I imagine. They probably did not have the comfort of seeing him again before burial. So no comfort to them. All grieving is not the same....

TomTomTim

Hopefully this doesn't lead to more serious incidents

Police called as furious Muslim parents protest at gates of Yorkshire grammar school after 'teacher showed pupils Prophet Muhammad cartoons in class' - as head issues 'sincere apology' at 'great offence to community

biko

#ThingsWeCouldDoBeforeButNotNow

1800_Ladladlad

TomTomTim wrote: »

Hopefully this doesn't lead to more serious incidents

Police called as furious Muslim parents protest at gates of Yorkshire grammar school after 'teacher showed pupils Prophet Muhammad cartoons in class' - as head issues 'sincere apology' at 'great offence to community

I agree. I don't think anyone was arrested for gathering in the way they did .......... I genuinely wonder why there is different rules for particular groups

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

Hopefully this doesn't lead to more serious incidents

Police called as furious Muslim parents protest at gates of Yorkshire grammar school after 'teacher showed pupils Prophet Muhammad cartoons in class' - as head issues 'sincere apology' at 'great offence to community

There is a video on twitter of the police issuing an apology on behalf of the principal of the school

biko

School closed again today.
Teacher suspended.
Muslims wants teacher sacked.

West Yorkshire, England 2021.

Ordinary people need to stand up for the teacher. The left are running scared.

TomTomTim

biko wrote: »

School closed again today.
Teacher suspended.
Muslims wants teacher sacked.

West Yorkshire, England 2021.

Hail the Angslamic state

jmreire

Deleted User wrote: »

Ordinary people need to stand up for the teacher. The left are running scared.

Of course they are scared...their deadly reputation proceeds them......and here, they want to increase the Nr of immigrants from Islamic Country's.

Real Donald Trump

jmreire wrote: »

Of course they are scared...their deadly reputation proceeds them......and here, they want to increase the Nr of immigrants from Islamic Country's.

But if you oppose such an idea your labelled the dreaded R word

DeadHand

It is amazing/depressing the extent to which the English are now dictated to in their own country by an alien ideology.

Another capitulation, another increment of domination. The police standing obediently as nodding dogs beside a religious zealot in a medieval dress as he lays down the new law.

Islam is winning hands down in England.

Where will it end?

DeadHand

DeadHand wrote: »

Where will it end?

Who knows, I can't think of a single Western European country where it isn't happening

Snake Plisken

Cops should have arrested the protesters, but no they won't they are scared of their ****e of offending these idiots!

suicide_circus

Bending the knee to religious nutjobs

AllForIt

I was listening to a few conversations about this over the last couple of days and one Muslim caller said most Muslims (in the UK) he knows are not offended by this.

This just confirms what I always though, that the West and particularly the UK have within it's society a bunch of nasty white regressive lefties that embolden a small number of devout Muslims into taking this kind of action.

I saw on twitter quite a backlash over a BBC R4 discussion where the general consensuses was that the teacher did wrong, and not much debate about the 100 odd protesters. The BBC seems to be a magnet to these kinds of malfunctioning lefties.

So, we really need to go after these kinds of ppl much more vigorously. And I'm not talking about the Muslims.

biko

I wonder if the left consider these protesters moderate or radical Muslims?

biko

biko wrote: »

I wonder if the left consider these protesters moderate or radical Muslims?

Interesting question

DelaneyIn

I fear I will be murdered’, says teacher who showed Mohammed cartoons

Father of Batley Grammar School RE teacher reveals his son's concerns for the safety of his family and fears he'll never return to old life.

The teacher who prompted protests after showing a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed fears that he and his family will be murdered, his father has said.
The religious studies teacher remains in hiding after receiving death threats and has told his family “it’s all over” and he will never be able to return to his job or his home.

Batley Grammar School in West Yorkshire sent pupils home last week and issued an apology after the parents of Muslim children gathered at the gates to protest. The RS teacher was described as a “terrorist” in a letter from one community leader.

His family has now accused the school’s head teacher, Gary Kibble, of “throwing him under a bus” by failing to fight his corner while he lives as a fugitive.

The teacher’s father said: “My son keeps breaking down crying and says that it's all over for him. He is worried that he and his family are all going to be killed.
“He knows that he's not going to be able to return to work or live in Batley. It's just going to be too dangerous for him and his family.”

The teacher, who lives with his partner and children, fears he will suffer the same fate as Samuel Paty, a teacher who was beheaded in Paris last year after showing his pupils a cartoon of Mohammed during a lesson on freedom of expression.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/29/fear-will-murdered-batley-teacher-tells-father-amid-worries/

Ultimately, the British can't embolden religious extremists of any kind of caving into intimidation. It sets a dangerous precedent that all they have to do is start threatening to kill or harm those who upset them and they win.

85603

biko wrote: »

Turns out the 13-year-old pupil schoolgirl (probably born and raised in democratic France) that told her father Paty had shown a caricature of Muhammad wasn't even in school that day.

Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.

Ten days after her comments, the teacher, 47, was beheaded by 18-year-old Abdullakh Anzorov, who was later shot dead by police.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-samuel-paty-beheading-schoolgirl-b1814372.html

Girls and fatal lies. Name a more iconic pair.

WrenBoy

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/29/fear-will-murdered-batley-teacher-tells-father-amid-worries/

Ultimately, the British can't embolden religious extremists of any kind of caving into intimidation. It sets a dangerous precedent that all they have to do is start threatening to kill or harm those who upset them and they win.

Sharia UK. Now that they have realised their power how can the genie be put back in the bottle ?

Christopher Hitchens must be spinning in his grave.