Another Child Grooming Gang Busted - 32 Charged

Wibbs

enricoh wrote: »

That there doesn't seem to have been a peep about it out of their communities is a damning indictment on them.

Most of that is down to fear I'd say. Those in the community are afraid of being painted with the same brush. Are afraid to stick their neck out in case the more strident members of their community take action against them for being "traitors" to the community. And yes, no doubt there is some reverse racism and actual victim blaming going on because the victims aren't Muslims.

biko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

https://twitter.com/richardsennett/status/1335537183743217664

Although that photo are of Turks, it's not of Uğur Şahin.
Şahin is considered one of the leading COVID-19 vaccine developers and among the hundred wealthiest people in Germany.

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

And therein lies an even bigger problem with those communities.

I don't understand why a gang of locals don't form a vigilante mob. Every city and large town in England has no shortage of football hooligan types who'd surely relish handing out beatings to rapist paedophile taxi drivers & kebab shop workers surely.

Gervais08

Augeo wrote: »

I don't understand why a gang of locals don't form a vigilante mob. Every city and large town in England has no shortage of football hooligan types who'd surely relish handing out beatings to rapist paedophile taxi drivers & kebab shop workers surely.

Because the defenders on here would have another reason to see them as the victims.

Charge them, convict them and deport the foreign born ones after a very long sentence.

Kivaro

Augeo wrote: »

I don't understand why a gang of locals don't form a vigilante mob. Every city and large town in England has no shortage of football hooligan types who'd surely relish handing out beatings to rapist paedophile taxi drivers & kebab shop workers surely.

Because it would be racist to attack the rapists.
And apparently to some, it would also be racist to prosecute the rapists.

GreeBo

TomTomTim wrote: »

If racism is the main eye opener here then we've truly sunken to depths that should be unimaginable. The progressive church honestly seem to think that no crime trumps racism. You won't admit it with words, but the implication is clear. On a thread about a decapitation, you cared more about "racism, now on a thread about grooming gangs, you once again care more about "racism". You are your like minded bedfellows are sick puppies, who are far more extreme than any of your perceived enemies ever will be.

You've missed the point entirely I'm afraid.

I care more about preventing child abuse or terrorism than I care about the religion of child abusers and terrorists.

Numerous posters on here clearly are more caught up in the religion of these nutters than their crimes.

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

Because it would be racist to attack the rapists.
And apparently to some, it would also be racist to prosecute the rapists.

I'd have thought racist vigilante mobs aren't difficult to gather.

GreeBo

Kivaro wrote: »

Because it would be racist to attack the rapists.
And apparently to some, it would also be racist to prosecute the rapists.

Eh no, it's because to any sane and civilized person, gangs of people handing out punishment beatings to people of s certain religion is little better than gangs of rapists.

We have police for this very job, not some nutters with bricks and hammers. How would you like to be on the end of s beating due to mistaken identity or someone getting a little over zealous?

I guess you'd be fine with it, since their heart is in the right place?

GreeBo

Augeo wrote: »

I'd have thought racist vigilante mobs aren't difficult to gather.

I'm pretty sure they are the same groups of people alright.

El Hecko

El Hecko wrote: »

Ok let's not talk about it. Let's ignore the fact that immigrant men were allowed rape, torture, gang rape and prostitute young white English girls.

It's totally fine, totally normal.

They were allowed to do that?
Really?
I thought we were talking about these men getting arrested and prosecuted?

GreeBo

Wibbs wrote: »

There's a big difference between saying "Muslims are deviants" and "Too many Pakistani male Muslims from sink estates can exhibit well dodgy attitudes and behaviour towards young women around them and more resources should be applied to stepping on this nonsense hard".

Exactly, but that seems lost on many here, including one who both thanked your post and the one claiming Muslims were inherently paedos.

Logic is not mandatory on this thread it seems.

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

Eh no, it's because to any sane and civilized person, gangs of people handing out punishment beatings to people of s certain religion is little better than gangs of rapists.

We have police for this very job, not some nutters with bricks and hammers. How would you like to be on the end of s beating due to mistaken identity or someone getting a little over zealous?

I guess you'd be fine with it, since their heart is in the right place?

I honestly can't fathom how folk aren't taking matters into their own hands as the police seem to be rather unfocused on these gangs

enricoh

enricoh wrote: »

only one community in the uk specialises in rape gangs. They also dont touch anyone from their own community. The fact that 20-30 rapists at a time are convicted n they are all from the same small towns is beyond coincidence.
That there doesn't seem to have been a peep about it out of their communities is a damning indictment on them.

Firstly you don't know that only one community specialises in rape gangs.
Secondly, why do you think other people of the same community have to say anything about it?
Why do you think anyone from that community have to say anything about these offenders? Why is that somehow put on them to say anything.about it?

Gervais08

bubblypop wrote: »

Firstly you don't know that only one community specialises in rape gangs.
Secondly, why do you think other people of the same community have to say anything about it?
Why do you think anyone from that community have to say anything about these offenders? Why is that somehow put on them to say anything.about it?

Oh ffs - that last bit???

How many posts have we had to hear about “well der priests and you all said nothing!”

And point out some other nationalities that firm organized grooming and rape gangs - you seem to know of some ?

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

And therein lies an even bigger problem with those communities.

No it doesn't
Why do you think the Muslim community have to say anything about these gangs?

Gervais08

bubblypop wrote: »

No it doesn't
Why do you think the Muslim community have to say anything about these gangs?

They don’t.

The immigrant Pakistani and Bangladeshi community certainly do.

One eyed Jack

Wibbs wrote: »

But one is objectively conservative and backward and less open to debate or change and that makes it lesser.

In any society the majority of people are going to be conservative and resistant to change, because the way the society in which they live functions, suits them. The majority of people in any given society will be conservative, who by their very nature want to conserve their way of life, and they often reject outright so much as a sniff of change emanating from progressive leafy suburb dweller types. It’s no different in Middle Eastern countries where the majority are conservative and there are a minority of people who are wealthy, well-educated and progressive in their political outlook.

Wibbs wrote: »

That might fly in cases of individual predators, but predator groups have to form a basic consensus of agreement on what is justifiable according to the group and have to agree on which targets are lesser and open to abuse, even to the twisted point of deserving it. So they target those outside their group, their subculture, White and as noted Sikh young women. Women who aren't Muslim. These are well enough considered steps. There's little leeway for random.

The fact that these grooming and rape gangs are almost exclusively formed of one very particular class, ethnic and religious subculture is pretty telling of what is seen as "fair game" to that subculture. It's not Islam or we'd be seeing a broader range of perps who are Muslim. It's not race either because we're not seeing this among Indians Hindu or Sikhs. This does not mean that Pakistani Muslim men are all predators, it does however suggest that this subculture is more likely to give rise or turn more of a blind eye to them.

In just the same way that the subculture of the male clergy of the Catholic Church concentrated and covered for a percentage of abusers far more than background levels. Most would quite happily acknowledge that, but then take issue when what appears to be a quite clear case of a similar setup among another subculture, when they're not White and Christian of course. If there were a similar trend in sexual crime gangs in the Polish community in the UK, you can be sure the authorities wouldn't be as slow to commit to investigation.

Groupthink, and pointing fingers at those people who they judge to be morally inferior to themselves. It’s no different in any organisation or ideology whether their purpose be for religion, sport, recreation or even soldiers using rape as a weapon in wartime. Naturally enough they’re going to point fingers at those outside their group or as you’ve often said their tribe, and blame them for all the ills in the world, while anyone in their group is protected as they are among the righteous. It’s easy for anyone who is of a mind to commit abuse to use other people’s good will to their advantage, and I’ll bet those 32 men who were arrested are well respected men within their own communities, no different than priests and bishops or Imams or Jewish leaders or Scout leaders who covered up abuse within their own communities - they knew it was going on, there’s documented evidence they knew it was going on.

But people were more interested in covering their own arses rather than risk ostracisation from their own “communities” if they blew the whistle. The same conservative streak that had them wish to maintain the status quo, worked against them when it came to addressing the abuses which were part and parcel of their “communities”, because it means the prospect of a change in their way of life if their leaders were deposed. When it comes out then everyone starts pointing fingers at each other, but nobody knows anything, and so it isn’t long before we’ll see the same thing continue to happen while these communities are still marginalised and basically left to their own devices.

Honestly if it were happening among the Polish community in the UK I’d say while there would be some among the police wouldn’t be slow to investigate, and would be eager to investigate and want to see the perpetrators prosecuted, they wouldn’t be long too running into a brick wall of silence and people unwilling to give evidence against people from their own communities to “outsiders”.

GreeBo

El Hecko wrote: »

This would only ever be tolerated in western Europe. In someplace like Russia these 'Asian' rapists would be rounded up and hung.

Russia has a huge problem with child abuse also

Kivaro

The justification/deflection/whataboutary seems to be getting stranger and stranger. Wonder who else can be blamed for these child grooming/raping gangs?

One eyed Jack

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s not factual, it’s based entirely upon your opinions which are informed by your own values. I use the word egotistical in that context to mean someone making a judgement based upon how they perceive something, naturally they’re going to be more inclined to say things like “objectively, my culture is the best”. I know you see what’s wrong in that statement.

If we accept it as axiomatic that it is wrong to stone a woman to death - any society that condones it, is objectively inferior to one who condemns it.
To disagree is to be subjective, informed by moral relativism. The ego you speak about...

Ditto throwing gays from roof tops, punishment without justice, deprivation of rights, honour killings....

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No the way you put it is the way I meant crimes of opportunity - there was a combination of factors involved which enabled them to do what they were doing and be able to do it for as long as they did, with who they were doing it to. Their victims weren’t just random young girls picked on the basis that they were white. There were other factors involved in both the opportunity and the motivation in picking their victims.

This is literally the opposite of an opportunistic crime!

GreeBo

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Verbatim, that's what you said!

And for a fact, I know my culture is better (by any metric) than others (not all though!). Its not egotistical. If it was a misplaced belief, you might be onto something!

We're only going around in circles tho

Better than the Aryans for example?

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

Better than the Aryans for example?

What the....

Was the thread just Godwin'd

GreeBo

bubblypop wrote: »

This looks kind of nearly right.
Islam is not a problem.
Foreigners are not a problem.
But there may be issues with certain societies.

But that makes it so much harder to form a vigilante gang behind!
Are you sure we can't just blame all the foreign looking people?
It would be so much handier like.

Wibbs

GreeBo wrote: »

Better than the Aryans for example?

I'm presuming we're not speaking of ancient Vedic culture?

GreeBo

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm presuming we're not speaking of ancient Vedic culture?

Nope, more recent, paler and with smaller mustaches... But still no match for our heroes wonder culture.

GreeBo

Gervais08 wrote: »

I’d say I’d thank you to lose the personal attacks but you’re collection people you’ve had banned at this point.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here, but if you think I have banned people, you don't know how boards works.

Gervais08

Gervais08 wrote: »

They don’t.

The immigrant Pakistani and Bangladeshi community certainly do.

No, they don't either.
Why would you think that a Pakistani or Bangladeshi immigrant into Ireland or anywhere in the EU has to be responsible for any people from their country?

GreeBo

Kivaro wrote: »

The justification/deflection/whataboutary seems to be getting stranger and stranger. Wonder who else can be blamed for these child grooming/raping gangs?

Why do you consider it assigning blame when others point out the inconsistency of some posters attitudes?

I find it very troubling approach to discussion on this forum and it follows no logic at all.

One eyed Jack

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

If we accept it as axiomatic that it is wrong to stone a woman to death - any society that condones it, is objectively inferior to one who condemns it.
To disagree is to be subjective, informed by moral relativism. The ego you speak about...

Ditto throwing gays from roof tops, punishment without justice, deprivation of rights, honour killings....

Middle Eastern societies don’t condone that sort of behaviour though. That’s why we hear about it in Western media - because Western media will jump at the chance to highlight how morally superior we are to Middle Eastern society, when in reality, neither society is actually all that different - if you’re wealthy enough, you can do whatever the hell you like and not have to worry about the religious police. It’s really not any different in the West.

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

This is literally the opposite of an opportunistic crime!

Yes, it is. That’s what I was clarifying when I said crimes of opportunity rather than opportunistic crimes and you gave your understanding of what I meant, which I agreed with. They created the opportunities for themselves to commit rape and abuse over a period of years, as opposed to just seizing an opportunity in the moment to commit rape on a once off.

AndrewJRenko

Augeo wrote: »

I don't understand why a gang of locals don't form a vigilante mob. Every city and large town in England has no shortage of football hooligan types who'd surely relish handing out beatings to rapist paedophile taxi drivers & kebab shop workers surely.

Yes, I'm sure we could get them to beat up a few paediatricians too.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society