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Another Child Grooming Gang Busted - 32 Charged

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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    bubblypop wrote: »
    No, they don't either.
    Why would you think that a Pakistani or Bangladeshi immigrant into Ireland or anywhere in the EU has to be responsible for any people from their country?

    But yet we get no one from their communities standing up and trying to stop these animals ,and it's one a simple case of one to two men it's hundreds and thousands involved across the UK ,
    All we get in oh were the victims and white liberals wanting to protect them from justice ,this has repeatedly allowed to happen because authorities are afraid of being labelled racists ,


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,691 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Cultural Enrichment lads. What a time to be alive.

    Ssshh ffs you'll be banned


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What?
    Why would someone have to comment on a member of their country or their religion when they commit crimes in another country?

    Am I responsible for every Irish person that commits a crime in any other country?


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gatling wrote: »
    But yet we get no one from their communities standing up and trying to stop these animals ,and it's one a simple case of one to two men it's hundreds and thousands involved across the UK ,
    All we get in oh were the victims and white liberals wanting to protect them from justice ,this has repeatedly allowed to happen because authorities are afraid of being labelled racists ,

    Why would we?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What?
    Why would someone have to comment on a member of their country or their religion when they commit crimes in another country?

    Am I responsible for every Irish person that commits a crime in any other country?


    C'mon now, Ireland has condemned the actions of some of our people in Australia for being drunk.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Kivaro wrote: »
    And apparently to some, it would also be racist to prosecute the rapists.

    Who said it would be racist to prosecute these rapists? That wouldn't be something you just made up, would it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    enricoh wrote: »
    Once in a blue moon and it gets a huge amount of publicity- jesus wept!

    Every community has rapists, only one community in the uk specialises in rape gangs. They also dont touch anyone from their own community. The fact that 20-30 rapists at a time are convicted n they are all from the same small towns is beyond coincidence.
    That there doesn't seem to have been a peep about it out of their communities is a damning indictment on them.

    Has there been a peep out of you about all the rapes done by members of your community? What does that say about you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Ssshh ffs you'll be banned

    It's always funny to see the continuous stream of posts about being banned from those who don't get banned. It's a bit like Quinn or O'Brien writing in their regular column in the national newspaper about how they are silenced.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,515 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Why would you think that a Pakistani or Bangladeshi immigrant into Ireland or anywhere in the EU has to be responsible for any people from their country?

    There should be zero of these people here, other than student visas.

    We have massive unemployment, so the number of non-EU work visas should be zero.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    You get a sense that finally there will action in Britain to stamp out the pedophile grooming and rape gangs in the coming weeks. When you have news outlets like Sky News, who can be high on the woke scale, repeatedly running their investigative report over the last couple of days on these mainly Muslim gangs, then the tide is slowly turning against the racial fear factor in talking about these heinous crimes. Yesterday, a Sky presenter in a live interview asked if "sensitivity over race" was holding up legal cases against the perpetrators? To which, the expert answered a resounding "Yes", along with the class issue. So finally we have it out in the open, child abusers are not getting prosecuted due to their racial background.

    I fully expect that another monumental shift in direction will happen later this coming week when the Home Office publish their report on these pedophile gangs. I expect terminology like "repeated failings by the authorities" will be seen in this report, and I fully expect an apology from the Home Secretary in the way that the children who were groomed and raped by these gangs were totally let down by the system, and there will be an apology to the parents and social workers who repeatedly tried to report these rapes to the Police and local authorities. The root of the inaction will have to be discussed and finally there can be a conversation in Britain on why there is such a substantial problem with pedophile grooming and rape gangs among groups with a Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslim background.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Stihl waters


    Yes, I'm sure we could get them to beat up a few paediatricians too.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society

    Wow, now add an element from a society that can only read 1 book, devotes their lives to praying 5 times a day to an imaginary sky fairy, regards any non believer as an infidel and below them and sees nothing wrong with the rape of a child, imagine what that's going to do to the local gene pool, they'll be lucky to still be able to go to the toilet by themselves within a generation :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,934 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Kivaro wrote: »
    You get a sense that finally there will action in Britain to stamp out the pedophile grooming and rape gangs in the coming weeks. When you have news outlets like Sky News, who can be high on the woke scale, repeatedly running their investigative report over the last couple of days on these mainly Muslim gangs, then the tide is slowly turning against the racial fear factor in talking about these heinous crimes. Yesterday, a Sky presenter in a live interview asked if "sensitivity over race" was holding up legal cases against the perpetrators? To which, the expert answered a resounding "Yes", along with the class issue. So finally we have it out in the open, child abusers are not getting prosecuted due to their racial background.


    The fact that the presenter was able to ask about the possible reasons for legal cases being held up is surely an indication that child abusers are being prosecuted?

    As for getting a sense that “finally” action is being taken, on the basis of it being reported on “woke” Sky News? Sky News’ bottom line is to make money, they couldn’t give a monkeys about being woke, their whole shtick is centred around promoting sensationalism and paranoia disguised as news. They’ve been running Muslim rape gang stories for what must be at least two decades now, particularly since 9/11 and 7/7, quite fond of highlighting “issues” like the “radicalisation” of Muslims in Scotland, or the withdrawal of their children from schools by Muslims who do not wish to have their children inculcated with “Western liberal values” which are in conflict with their own “conservative traditions”. Sky News are notorious for their sensationalist spin.

    Kivaro wrote: »
    I fully expect that another monumental shift in direction will happen later this coming week when the Home Office publish their report on these pedophile gangs. I expect terminology like "repeated failings by the authorities" will be seen in this report, and I fully expect an apology from the Home Secretary in the way that the children who were groomed and raped by these gangs were totally let down by the system, and there will be an apology to the parents and social workers who repeatedly tried to report these rapes to the Police and local authorities. The root of the inaction will have to be discussed and finally there can be a conversation in Britain on why there is such a substantial problem with pedophile grooming and rape gangs among groups with a Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslim background.


    That “conversation” has been going on in the UK for decades, and is set to continue going on for decades. I do fully expect that there will be insincere apologies and condemnation from all corners looking to save face, and there will be plenty of wagging the finger while unscrupulous politicians make hay out of this latest incident in order to undermine their political opponents and dog whistle at their racist brethren, but expecting any change in the status quo I’d have to say you’re hoping for something that just isn’t going to happen, and these incidents are going to keep being highlighted by the usual people, while pretty much ignoring the beam in their own eye.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,164 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Geuze wrote: »
    There should be zero of these people here, other than student visas.

    We have massive unemployment, so the number of non-EU work visas should be zero.

    So how are "these people" finding employment when they get "here"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭smilerf


    It's always Asians
    Always


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    smilerf wrote: »
    It's always Asians
    Always

    It is absolutely not actually.

    In a dreadful fact that amazes me far more maybe than even living on a hurtling sphere in an unimaginably vast and unknown cosmos it seems there is a huge underground activity of abusing children among the species.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/paedophile-uk-arrest-child-sex-abuse-police-internet-a9396661.html


    If it was up to me personally, if I was Infallible Empress of All Earth, once each of those people of any race, creed, colour, location, was found guilty of child sex abuse I would have them mercifully euthanised in an instant to protect the species and let us all move along better without them. But that's just me on a mild-mannered morning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Kivaro wrote: »
    You get a sense that finally there will action in Britain to stamp out the pedophile grooming and rape gangs in the coming weeks. When you have news outlets like Sky News, who can be high on the woke scale, repeatedly running their investigative report over the last couple of days on these mainly Muslim gangs, then the tide is slowly turning against the racial fear factor in talking about these heinous crimes. Yesterday, a Sky presenter in a live interview asked if "sensitivity over race" was holding up legal cases against the perpetrators? To which, the expert answered a resounding "Yes", along with the class issue. So finally we have it out in the open, child abusers are not getting prosecuted due to their racial background.

    I fully expect that another monumental shift in direction will happen later this coming week when the Home Office publish their report on these pedophile gangs. I expect terminology like "repeated failings by the authorities" will be seen in this report, and I fully expect an apology from the Home Secretary in the way that the children who were groomed and raped by these gangs were totally let down by the system, and there will be an apology to the parents and social workers who repeatedly tried to report these rapes to the Police and local authorities. The root of the inaction will have to be discussed and finally there can be a conversation in Britain on why there is such a substantial problem with pedophile grooming and rape gangs among groups with a Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslim background.
    Do you think that there will finally be action to stamp out the 100 thousand other rapes in Britain perpetuated on men and women each year? And the half a million sexual assaults that are carried out?

    Or are you only concerned about the tiny number of attacks that relate to a subset of grooming gangs?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Geuze wrote: »
    There should be zero of these people here, other than student visas.

    We have massive unemployment, so the number of non-EU work visas should be zero.

    Mod:

    Threadbanned


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Geuze wrote: »
    There should be zero of these people here, other than student visas.

    We have massive unemployment, so the number of non-EU work visas should be zero.

    Must be fake news geuze as u got red carded for it! Good to know that our unemployment rate is a non-issue so!

    Now let's take in loads more third world migrants, that'll eh , pay our pensions like in the uk (and more importantly keep the lads in the ngo's looking for more dough). Rape gangs and adriana grande bombers are growing pains for these clowns.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/08/minority-ethnic-workers-more-often-unemployed
    The Department for Work and Pensions found the unemployment rate for whites aged 16-24 was 19% last September.

    The rate was 46% for young Pakistani and Bangladeshi workers and 45% for young black people


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭gw80


    Its actually sickening,
    Some drug dealing, house robbing scumbag in America dies while being arrested and the whole world goes nuts,
    Where are the protests for these children,
    Where were the protests for change when kids where blown to bits in Manchester.


  • Registered Users Posts: 367 ✭✭OneLungDavy


    Do you think that there will finally be action to stamp out the 100 thousand other rapes in Britain perpetuated on men and women each year? And the half a million sexual assaults that are carried out?

    Or are you only concerned about the tiny number of attacks that relate to a subset of grooming gangs?
    The straw-manning will never quit, will it?


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    enricoh wrote: »
    Must be fake news geuze as u got red carded for it! Good to know that our unemployment rate is a non-issue so!

    Now let's take in loads more third world migrants, that'll eh , pay our pensions like in the uk (and more importantly keep the lads in the ngo's looking for more dough). Rape gangs and adriana grande bombers are growing pains for these clowns.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/08/minority-ethnic-workers-more-often-unemployed
    The Department for Work and Pensions found the unemployment rate for whites aged 16-24 was 19% last September.

    The rate was 46% for young Pakistani and Bangladeshi workers and 45% for young black people

    Mod:

    What this has to do with the topic of the thread is beyond me.

    Stay on topic or don't post here, it's very simple


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The straw-manning will never quit, will it?

    Maybe you'd like to explain the logical reason for the obsessive focus on this one particular very small, very niche form of sexual abuse while ignoring all the other sexual abuse on children and adults in the UK?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    One would have to wonder how long these grooming/rape gangs are in operation. A report by the deputy children's commissioner in 2012 said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by British Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population. Regarding the "Asian" classification, from this link:
    Hindu and Sikh groups have objected to media use of the "Asian" description saying that the culprits were "almost always of Pakistani origin" and "Muslim". They contend that clouding the issue by calling them "Asians" is unfair towards other groups and detrimental to a frank discussion.

    Looking at the scale of the problem, more than 18,700 suspected victims of child sexual exploitation were identified by local authorities in 2018-19, and at the time Sajid Javid promised a review into the characteristics of grooming gangs in 2018, saying high-profile cases included a “high proportion of men of Pakistani heritage” and that “cultural reasons” could be at play.

    Almost 19,000 children in the UK in one year alone is an epidemic, and definitely not a "very small, very niche form of sexual abuse" as one poster on here disgracefully calls it. With those types of comments, one can rightly be dismayed at the lack of compassion and lack of acceptance of the truth.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Maybe you'd like to explain the logical reason for the obsessive focus on this one particular very small, very niche form of sexual abuse while ignoring all the other sexual abuse on children and adults in the UK?

    Can you not see the difference in lone rapists versus gangs of paedo rapist men from the same cultural background acting together? Would it not indicate something seriously messed up in their culture that they are willing to openly commit these horrendous crimes and have support and participation from groups of their friends.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Can you not see the difference in lone rapists versus gangs of paedo rapist men from the same cultural background acting together? Would it not indicate something seriously messed up in their culture that they are willing to openly commit these horrendous crimes and have support and participation from groups of their friends.

    That is a problem and sickening. It makes it very hard to stomach that people could watch on as others abuse a helpless person.
    But there are many paedophile "rings" and networks. There have been elite rings such as when disadvantaged children in homes were networked. People in groups online share child abuse videos and images. Despite it being widely known that Pornhub hosts rape videos including violent abuse of minors many ordinary people pay for the other services on Pornhub thereby providing monetisation for the platform hosting videos of such crimes. These rape gangs are despicable and must be addressed fully in all aspects including the racial targetting by the rapists of children they considered worthless. So should all the rape rings and networks. Everywhere


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    gw80 wrote: »
    Its actually sickening,
    Some drug dealing, house robbing scumbag in America dies while being arrested and the whole world goes nuts,
    Where are the protests for these children,
    Where were the protests for change when kids where blown to bits in Manchester.

    Weaponizing American racial tensions is a path to justifying more diversity, pointing out the disgusting behavior of Islamic grooming gangs harms the push for diversity. It's really that simple. These people are willing to let many be hurt and harmed by these policies, once they continue. These types will regularly tell you how empathetic and compassionate they are, all while downplaying rape, murder, and all sort of other barbarism.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    That is a problem and sickening. It makes it very hard to stomach that people could watch on as others abuse a helpless person.
    But there are many paedophile "rings" and networks. There have been elite rings such as when disadvantaged children in homes were networked. People in groups online share child abuse videos and images. Despite it being widely known that Pornhub hosts rape videos including violent abuse of minors many ordinary people pay for the other services on Pornhub thereby providing monetisation for the platform hosting videos of such crimes. These rape gangs are despicable and must be addressed fully in all aspects including the racial targetting by the rapists of children they considered worthless. So should all the rape rings and networks. Everywhere

    I agree but for some people to deny there is a higher incidence of groups of men from certain backgrounds to have more of a prevalence for this activity helps nobody. Im sure anytime good people from the particular background see this they must be thinking not again.


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    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Can you not see the difference in lone rapists versus gangs of paedo rapist men from the same cultural background acting together? Would it not indicate something seriously messed up in their culture that they are willing to openly commit these horrendous crimes and have support and participation from groups of their friends.

    in Spain there was a group that called themselves 'the wolves' who engaged in a gang rape together. It involved a police officer and a soldier. All white Spanish catholics.

    By your logic, the Spanish catholics are all inclined to be rapists now.

    I can find you similar in Ireland. Does that make us all active or defenders of rapists? Most criminals will defend and protect other criminals even if they disagree with the actual crime, they still wont report them. Martin Cahill famously defended his friend for raping his own daughter and tried to threaten / violently stop any complaints upto the point that the childs own uncle met with Cahill and brought a shotgun for his own protection


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    in Spain there was a group that called themselves 'the wolves' who engaged in a gang rape together. It involved a police officer and a soldier. All white Spanish catholics.

    By your logic, the Spanish catholics are all inclined to be rapists now.

    I can find you similar in Ireland. Does that make us all active or defenders of rapists?

    A group, we are talking about many grooming gangs from the same culture in many towns in England all with the same modus operandi, you are not comparing like with like and your argument is disingenuous.


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  • Posts: 5,369 [Deleted User]


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    A group, we are talking about many grooming gangs from the same culture in many towns in England all with the same modus operandi, you are not comparing like with like and your argument is disingenuous.

    Wrong

    most gang rapes in Ireland are commited by white catholics.

    most in the UK are committed by white Protestants.

    Stop with the blatant lobsided ****e. It doesnt stand up to scrutiny when you actually reasearch the subject


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