Another Child Grooming Gang Busted - 32 Charged

iebamm2580

GreeBo wrote: »

No I think you did, 19,000 victims, do you reckon they care why they were abused?

Lets wave a wand and remove all Muslim child abusers, hmm how many of that 19,000 did we save?[/QUOTEI
Do not quote me again, its clear you do not want to find a root cause for the pattern of these crimes to prevent them in future.I see no need to engage with such an emotional aggressive poster, put me on ignore like i will you.

WrenBoy

GreeBo wrote: »

No I think you did, 19,000 victims, do you reckon they care why they were abused?

Lets wave a wand and remove all Muslim child abusers, hmm how many of that 19,000 did we save?

Ugh..

GreeBo

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Do not quote me again, its clear you do not want to find a root cause for the pattern of these crimes to prevent them in future.I see no need to engage with such an emotional aggressive poster, put me on ignore like i will you.

The root cause of child abuse is child abusers!
You want to link it to a specific religion for some reason.

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

iebamm2580 wrote: »

The root cause of child abuse is child abusers!
You want to link it to a specific religion for some reason.

Linking to Muslims - cant have that.
Linking to Protestants- sure fire away.
Lining to Catholic priests - open season

Some cows more sacred than others

ohnonotgmail

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

GreeBo wrote: »

Linking to Muslims - cant have that.
Linking to Protestants- sure fire away.
Lining to Catholic priests - open season

Some cows more sacred than others

has anybody said that catholic priests abused children because they were catholic? they abused children because they were part of an organisation that allowed them to get away it and covered it up. a subtle difference I know but a difference none the less.

Eric Cartman

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

has anybody said that catholic priests abused children because they were catholic? they abused children because they were part of an organisation that allowed them to get away it and covered it up. a subtle difference I know but a difference none the less.

they abused children because they were people who wanted to abuse children and potentially caught a career path that they knew would shield them from detection.

but on the part that I bolded , they had to join the Catholic Church, now you just have to be non white and the government and the internet left will do the cover up for you.

ohnonotgmail

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they abused children because they were people who wanted to abuse children and potentially caught a career path that they knew would shield them from detection.

but on the part that I bolded , they had to join the Catholic Church, now you just have to be non white and the government and the internet left will do the cover up for you.

in a thread about a child grooming gang being busted you go on about a cover-up. not doing a very good job are they? whoever "they" are.

Gervais08

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Eric Cartman wrote: »

in a thread about a child grooming gang being busted you go on about a cover-up. not doing a very good job are they? whoever "they" are.

“They” are senior members of the police forces that cover the areas where thousands of children were raped.

And they did a good enough job of covering it up as it went on for years longer than it should have.

Reports were ignored, victim statements were mocked and dismissed, social workers were sacked for speaking out, several brave Labour MPs lost the party whip for speaking out about the vile beasts committing these offenses and their shared cultural background of (at least 84%) Pakistan and Bangladesh nationality.

ohnonotgmail

Gervais08 wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

“They” are senior members of the police forces that cover the areas where thousands of children were raped.

And they did a good enough job of covering it up as it went on for years longer than it should have.

Reports were ignored, victim statements were mocked and dismissed, social workers were sacked for speaking out, several brave Labour MPs lost the party whip for speaking out about the vile beasts committing these offenses and their shared cultural background of (at least 84%) Pakistan and Bangladesh nationality.

so you are referring solely to rotherham then?

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

has anybody said that catholic priests abused children because they were catholic? they abused children because they were part of an organisation that allowed them to get away it and covered it up. a subtle difference I know but a difference none the less.

Is there a whiff of "has anybody said swim coaches abused kids who swim?"

Anyway, the point is criticism of Muslims seems to trigger a reaction, criticism of Protestants doesn't.

GreeBo

Gervais08 wrote: »

“They” are senior members of the police forces that cover the areas where thousands of children were raped.

And they did a good enough job of covering it up as it went on for years longer than it should have.

And its the fault of all Muslims that non muslim police forces ignored reports?

Reports were ignored, victim statements were mocked and dismissed, social workers were sacked for speaking out, several brave Labour MPs lost the party whip for speaking out about the vile beasts committing these offenses and their shared cultural background of (at least 84%) Pakistan and Bangladesh nationality.

You still want to tar them all with the same brush don't you?
What % of Pakistani and Bangladeshis abuse children?

1800_Ladladlad

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

What? Prove a point with evidence? That's not how this thread works.

Any evidence of the religion of any attackers? Course not, it's not mentioned outside of rare cases. Names generally not either.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/sentence-too-lenient-for-convicted-killer-in-brutal-gang-rape-37351546.html

That's a white catholic Russian.


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Teen+gang+is+quizzed+over+rape+of+12+year+old+girl%3b+CINEMA+NIGHT...-a060627810

Local youths in coolock. More likely to be white Catholics based on the population.

Here's a study, read away: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rcni.ie/wp-content/uploads/Rape-and-Justice-in-Ireland.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj9lb-V0cztAhWCzoUKHcr8DRU4ChAWMAZ6BAgDEAE&usg=AOvVaw0B6EJT5w1y8C3F07_CfaIk

Im asking you to provide a source to confirm the statement you boldly made, which is how it goes when in a discussion forum.

"most gang rapes in Ireland are committed by white Catholics."

You stated this as a fact. Not as an opinion. Nowhere in the first article states the dirtbag was a "white catholic Russian" nor was there confirmation of three lads guilty of the sexual assault.

Please back up your statement.

1800_Ladladlad

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Im asking you to provide a source to confirm the statement you boldly made, which is how it goes when in a discussion forum.



You stated this as a fact. Not as an opinion. Nowhere in the first article states the dirtbag was a "white catholic Russian" nor was there confirmation of three lads guilty of the sexual assault.

Please back up your statement.

Don't forget the Protestants one as well.

1800_Ladladlad

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Don't forget the Protestants one as well.

Minus 10 social credits

thegetawaycar

GreeBo wrote: »

And its the fault of all Muslims that non muslim police forces ignored reports?



You still want to tar them all with the same brush don't you?
What % of Pakistani and Bangladeshis abuse children?

Do you expect anyone to have the percentage of Pakistanis that abuse children? It's a state where child marriage is legal so it happens quite a lot in comparison to Western countries.

The culture doesn't fit in well if you try to transfer it straight to Western countries and that's probably the biggest issue of immigration. A lot of it is done with a view that we should be 100% tolerant of the culture immigrants come from, they've come to the UK (in this case) to make a better life for themselves but that should include leaving behind the practices that are not agreeable.

GreeBo

thegetawaycar wrote: »

Do you expect anyone to have the percentage of Pakistanis that abuse children?

If that person is taking UK statistics to somehow prove that child abuse is inherent to these people, then yeah, I kinda do to be honest.

thegetawaycar wrote: »

A lot of it is done with a view that we should be 100% tolerant of the culture immigrants come from, they've come to the UK (in this case) to make a better life for themselves but that should include leaving behind the practices that are not agreeable.

I wouldn't be in favour at all with 100% tolerance of "imported" cultural norms, you should want to move to a place because you want to live there, not just because it gets you away from where you are.

Where this gets very complicated is when people are fleeing tyranny etc, of course they are going to worry less about the destination in favour of just "getting away".

But I still stand behind the idea that its up to you as the immigrant to attempt to fit in. You dont need to start wearing trackies and hanging out at the bookies all day, but if your ways are at complete odds to the society you live in, then you need to rethink either your ways or where you live.

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

You dont need to start wearing trackies and hanging out at the bookies all day, but if your ways are at complete odds to the society you live in, then you need to rethink either your ways or where you live.

Thats a bit bigoted

GreeBo

BTW someone asked recently what we get from immigration (other than nice food :rolleyes:)
Well Ugur Sahin was a Turkish immigrant into Germany a few decades ago and he created the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, so there ya go.

What we get are people.

Gervais08

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Thats a bit bigoted

Bit dangerous in these Covid times to allow a mask to slip like that eh ?

Denying any issues with other cultures is ban enough but bigotry against our own country ? Not cool.

suicide_circus

GreeBo wrote: »

BTW someone asked recently what we get from immigration (other than nice food :rolleyes:)
Well Ugur Sahin was a Turkish immigrant into Germany a few decades ago and he created the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, so there ya go.

What we get are people.

Ah yeah, vaccine specialists to a man

GreeBo

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ah yeah, vaccine specialists to a man

I'd ask you what you yourself have contributed that makes you so special and worthy of citizenship, but there is little point, the children have taken over this thread also it seems.

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

I'd ask you what you yourself have contributed that makes you so special and worthy of citizenship, but there is little point, the children have taken over this thread also it seems.

Plot twist:

Now one must justify their existence in place of birth

suicide_circus

GreeBo wrote: »

I'd ask you what you yourself have contributed that makes you so special and worthy of citizenship, but there is little point, the children have taken over this thread also it seems.

Oh by all means, if you think the granting of citizenship to migrants should be contingent on extraordinary contributions to society, i'm all ears...

ohnonotgmail

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Plot twist:

Now one must justify their existence in place of birth

so you're in favour of giving citizenship to people born here?

suicide_circus

I'm the child of an Irish person, hence my citizenship. I'm also the citizen of another European country through parentage.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you're in favour of giving citizenship to people born here?

If your parents enter the state shortly before being born - no

If a reasonable period has elapsed since your parents entered the state - than yes.

Theres a thread on it somewhere

NickNickleby

I'm going to stick my neck out here, as someone is going to disagree with me, based on the arguments that have gone on here.

As a child I had friends who were : Indian, Pakistani, Turkish, Yugoslavian, West Indian, Jewish*, Welsh, Scots, Irish and predominately English. I lived in Birmingham.

All these children acknowledged their own identities (which is why I mentioned Jewish - that's how they identified). For none of them - nor their families, most of whom I knew - was there any type of isolation due to ethnicity or race or colour or nationality. These things didn't matter. When Christopher once again one the sprint on sports day, no one said "ah the black kid won". Nope "Christopher won again!!" leaving the rest of us deflated as he seemed unbeatable. But despite the unsurprising outcome, parents and children would applaud the worthy winner.

Our family left Birmingham for Dublin long before the Birmingham bombs. I remember worrying were any of my old school chums killed or hurt, we were now of an age to go to the pub. I'm pretty sure that any Irish in Birmingham that we knew would have been aghast at their neighbours children being targetted like that. But I then heard that the Irish community in Birmingham was getting a bit of a pasting for something they didn't do.

Now move forward to this case. To me it doesn't matter who the perpetrators are, as long as they're caught and brought to justice. Their ethnicity would only matter to me, if the authorities were to 'stand back' rather than offend a community. My brief reading of this story from the original link, doesn't seem to suggest this happened.

Remember, most people are good. And by the power of copy-and-paste :most Indian, Pakistani, Turkish, Yugoslavian, West Indian, Jewish*, Welsh, Scots, Irish and English are good people.

Just to highlight the exception .. one summer we returned from Ireland after a summer visit to the Grannies. They naturally gave us our 'pingins' to spend in the shop when we got home. Old English and Irish pennies were identical value, and English pennies were common currency in Ireland at the time. Anyway, 8 year old me and my younger brother and sister ran round to the local newsagent next day to spend our new fortunes. When all the stuff was on the counter we handed over our pennies. Typical of his type he sneered "Ah'm not takin' that funnay monay". Despite the fact he knew our family well, and the Bank would have accepted the pennies (as I was later informed). It was the only time I encountered anything like that.

So, lets not tar whole communities with the one brush.

Eric Cartman

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Plot twist:

Now one must justify their existence in place of birth

So the justification for unlimited migration is now :

One college educated turk coming to germany
Welfare class people wearing tracksuits
Somebody born to natives of a country having citizenship
The food

We’re doing so well with these wealth of reasons.

Kivaro

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Linking to Muslims - cant have that.
Linking to Protestants- sure fire away.
Lining to Catholic priests - open season

Some cows more sacred than others

While there is so much deflection going on, we might as well bring the Hindus into the conversation too.

iebamm2580

NickNickleby wrote: »

I'm going to stick my neck out here, as someone is going to disagree with me, based on the arguments that have gone on here.

As a child I had friends who were : Indian, Pakistani, Turkish, Yugoslavian, West Indian, Jewish*, Welsh, Scots, Irish and predominately English. I lived in Birmingham.

All these children acknowledged their own identities (which is why I mentioned Jewish - that's how they identified). For none of them - nor their families, most of whom I knew - was there any type of isolation due to ethnicity or race or colour or nationality. These things didn't matter. When Christopher once again one the sprint on sports day, no one said "ah the black kid won". Nope "Christopher won again!!" leaving the rest of us deflated as he seemed unbeatable. But despite the unsurprising outcome, parents and children would applaud the worthy winner.

Our family left Birmingham for Dublin long before the Birmingham bombs. I remember worrying were any of my old school chums killed or hurt, we were now of an age to go to the pub. I'm pretty sure that any Irish in Birmingham that we knew would have been aghast at their neighbours children being targetted like that. But I then heard that the Irish community in Birmingham was getting a bit of a pasting for something they didn't do.

Now move forward to this case. To me it doesn't matter who the perpetrators are, as long as they're caught and brought to justice. Their ethnicity would only matter to me, if the authorities were to 'stand back' rather than offend a community. My brief reading of this story from the original link, doesn't seem to suggest this happened.

Remember, most people are good. And by the power of copy-and-paste :most Indian, Pakistani, Turkish, Yugoslavian, West Indian, Jewish*, Welsh, Scots, Irish and English are good people.

Just to highlight the exception .. one summer we returned from Ireland after a summer visit to the Grannies. They naturally gave us our 'pingins' to spend in the shop when we got home. Old English and Irish pennies were identical value, and English pennies were common currency in Ireland at the time. Anyway, 8 year old me and my younger brother and sister ran round to the local newsagent next day to spend our new fortunes. When all the stuff was on the counter we handed over our pennies. Typical of his type he sneered "Ah'm not takin' that funnay monay". Despite the fact he knew our family well, and the Bank would have accepted the pennies (as I was later informed). It was the only time I encountered anything like that.

So, lets not tar whole communities with the one brush.

The authorities keep there eyes out for terrorists of all sorts including Islamic and right wing terrorists, these grooming gang all have the same modus operandi and generally from the same culture so it would not be absurd for the authorities to keep and eye in these communities for such activities, it doesn't make all Muslim terrorists and it doesn't make all muslims rapists to keep an eye out, its common sense and also common sense to not tar all communities with the one brush. Also would have made common sense to keep an ear to ground of Irish communities in England during the IRA bombings.