Opinion on revived Department of Justice awareness campaign re: sexual harassment?

El_Duderino 09

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The thing is ....for young women like me ...these ads don't actually CHANGE anything.

While the whole metoo thing was going on ....people were acting in the Irish media as if this was a new dawn. But i was actually experiencing the same kind of treatment from someone during all of that ...and NOTHING had changed it wasn't easier to have him reprimanded etc.



What good would this do? You think telling someone to **** off is going to make them stop?

And what if your abuser is an adult a teacher or a boss ??

Is the ad going to stop a predator ? NO

Is the ad going to make a bystander more likely to help the victim? No.

To say a very negative attitude.

The ad is about a wider approach to attitude and behaviour change. Attitude change usual happens before behaviour change and education/cognition usually happens before attitude change.

Sometimes the education part of it just needs people to explicitly think about the topic. It’s very easy to say that anyone would obviously stand up and say something if they saw someone being harassed, but it hasn’t happened in the past so why would it happen now? The difference is the fact that you’ve seen the ad and it’s obvious AFTER seeing the ad.

But, attitude change takes time. The obvious posters will object to this ad for lots of reason. They’ll say nobody needs to be told to stand against harassment, they’ll say it’s all just a big conspiracy against men, and eventually, they’ll accept that the content of the ad is pretty sound. But what they’ll never do is admit that they changed their mind. Instead they’ll say it was obvious all along and to run only vehemently disagreed with it for whatever reasons.

That’s how attitude change works. People deny it makes sense, then deny it’s necessary, then say they agreed with it all along and the ad was only telling them what they already knew. So they get to take take the p1ss out of the ad and never admit they learned anything from it. And that’s fine.

I don’t object to the ad. Seems sensible information.

bo0li5eumx12kp

bubblypop wrote: »

Perhaps you don't understand how the law works?
In order for gardai to bring a prosecution against someone, they must have broken a law.
Sexual harassment is not a criminal offence.
Sexual assault is.
This has nothing to do with anyone in the department of justice, or their 'grunts' as you so nicely put it, working in garda stations.

You can, of course, get something noted at the station. However, if there is no law against it, then obviously garda hands are tied.

I'll ignore the brain damaged tone to this post and focus on the single coherent point made.

Awareness, BEFORE the fact.

The setup currently is immensely restricted in this capacity.

If a predator is harassing and victim feels potential conflict about to arise - like said predator getting curb stomped in public - encourage reporting so Garda can chat with said predator, hopefully addressing the issue before it becomes a REAL issue.

This isn't "Minority Report" with Colin Farrell, mmmkay?

No one expects stern prosecutions to be handed down without any explicit crime having taken place, but specifically as to sexual harassment, it's a very intuitive ordeal - thus very foreseeable/predictable (predators often conduct a "grooming" period before going full assault on their prey) - thus police can either preclude this, or if a breach of etiquette is made subsequent to said report, they can THEN act with full authority.

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The system does not facilitate this currently - cause why?

Lack of awareness - and this is squarely the negligence of the justice department - probably for any number of reasons, not least of all trying to avoid sounding politically incorrect or homophobic.

Walk into any backwater district office around the country and 'splain to them that some dude is flirting with you and won't take no for an answer - then watch them hillbillys laugh in your face, tell you to man up, and stop wasting valuable police time.

Or better still, tell them you feel you may be forced to defend yourself physically in the face of a sexual predator - then YOU become their priority.

Lose-lose situation for harassment/assault victims as the system currently stands.

You have some attitude!
You expect gardai to go around warning people to stop flirting with you?!

There is nothing, nothing gardai can do.
Not minority report? That's right.
You should try to remember that when you are predicting future sexual assaults.

Jayson Shallow Pawnbroker

Jayson Shallow Pawnbroker wrote: »

The system does not facilitate this currently - cause why?

Lack of awareness - and this is squarely the negligence of the justice department - probably for any number of reasons, not least of all trying to avoid sounding politically incorrect or homophobic.

This is rubbish and in your head.

bo0li5eumx12kp

bubblypop wrote: »

You have some attitude!
You expect gardai to go around warning people to stop flirting with you?!

There is nothing, nothing gardai can do.

I expect them to have the foresight to preclude potential social conflicts initiated by deviant sexual predators and horny dudes that can't keep it in their pants, yes.

Nothing they can do?

lol, they're law enforcement homie - and their course of action is as intuitive as could be, but attitudes like yours is why there's failure by policy makers to implement - too stuck in the box - just like conventional culture and traditional norms demands.

"Man up!!".

Sure I'll man up, and then it's exactly the likes of yourself that will complain about lack of policing of social conflicts with some predator/groomer/creeper gets tossed in the lake.

Sexuality is at the heart of who we are, yet sexual deviancy can carry on unchecked, and policy is such that it must get to crises point (an actual violation/assault) before it even gets attention?

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Woah, that's a well thought out paradigm, lending itself to a forward thinking well regulated society right there.

:pac:

bo0li5eumx12kp

bubblypop wrote: »

This is rubbish and in your head.

No it's actually called "reality", and a good representation of what an advanced justice system we really have.

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