Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Tell me how

Endintheclowns wrote: »

Sooner at later someone will come along with the same outlook as Trump but with a degree of intelligence and become president. That's what Americans should really be worried about.

It hasn't happened so far. Trumps outlook was entirely selfish. He was motivated to run because of jealousy over Obama winning and the adulation he received and so much of his decisions in his office were geared towards benefitting business and the economy which would in turn benefit his own pocket.

The last 2 months, and specifically yesterday though I think will ultimately galvanise the US against pandering to celebrity experts with no proven track record in elected office as they did here.

The 74M who voted for Trump are a big market share which the likes of Cruz and others are trying to appeal to but I think we are more likely to see a split in the Republican party than we are to see 74M vote fore another Trump type person in the next 20 years.

The main man coming up on Matt Cooper after the break.

Donie that is.

Tony EH

Sonics2k wrote: »

Just to touch on this. The Valknut is not a white supremacist symbol. It was Odins mark in Viking mythology, and I have it tattooed on me too.

American white supremacists have Co opted Norse mythology and attempted to make it a racist thing, it really really isn't.

I've a swastika tattooed on my forehead. It's originally an Indian good luck symbol.

But people keep giving me weird stares nonetheless.

walshb

BattleCorp wrote: »

America was heading down the tubes before Trump got to power. Trump just polarised both sides and hastened the descent down the tubes.

That may or may not be true....whatever down the tubes means...

It doesn't have anything to do with my claim about him, the person, being an extremely dangerous person....

maebee

they have probably taken his phone off him in the White House.

I wish they'd take the nuclear codes off him.

BattleCorp

walshb wrote: »

That may or may not be true....whatever down the tubes means...

It doesn't have anything to do with my claim about him, the person, being an extremely dangerous person....

Down the tubes = going to sh1t.

I don't disagree with you. My point was that it isn't all Trump's fault. Most of the problems happening now have been building since long before Trump decided to enter politics.

Tony EH

dasdog wrote: »

He has some interesting views to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNl0V6KkOrM

Jamiroquai has really let himself down since the music career went belly up.

Weepsie

Tell me how wrote: »

The 74M who voted for Trump are a big market share which the likes of Cruz and others are trying to appeal to but I think we are more likely to see a split in the Republican party than we are to see 74M vote fore another Trump type person in the next 20 years.

They were not all votes for trump though. Not all 74 million just as not all 81 million were for biden.

A lot of trump's were just staunch Republicans who would have voted for whatever patsy was running and will continue to do so.

Same for the democrats, however biden probably got a.lot of anti-trump voters too, not because they're democrats or care about biden bit they're just so completely sick of Trump.


Why there are still only 2 realistic parties is bizarre too, because even within these parties there are many factions that would have different ideas of republicanism and what it is democrats do.

The liberal party , well less said about them the better.

They need new parties or new ideas, some that are more centrist with a mix of left and right leaning people that are in it for the greater good and not some bull**** idea of the American dream

Overheal

namloc1980 wrote: »

Highly unlikely that you'd get the numbers to agree to do all that in the space of hours. Need a 2/3rds majority in the Senate to convict.

For this case no there would be debate. In theory however if the abuse of power was naked and blatant enough, a congress could swiftly move to impeach and convict a president. Too many Republicans are still hiding behind Antifa conspiracies and “well he did say the word peaceful so everything else hes said about violence is irrelevant”

FileNotFound

maebee wrote: »

I wish they'd take the nuclear codes off him.

I'd seriously hope they have....

Lewis_Benson

dasdog wrote: »

He has some interesting views to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNl0V6KkOrM

Stopped as soon as he started speaking.

maebee

maebee wrote: »

I wish they'd take the nuclear codes off him.

There's isn't a hope in hell he could launch a nuke right now.

jill_valentine

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Stopped as soon as he started speaking.

There are photos of him meeting Giuliani.

briany

Tony EH wrote: »

Jamiroquai has really let himself down since the music career went belly up.

Yeah, his insanity's a lot less virtual these days, judging from that clip.

Tell me how

Weepsie wrote: »

They were not all votes for trump though. Not all 74 million just as not all 81 million were for biden.

A lot of trump's were just staunch Republicans who would have voted for whatever patsy was running and will continue to do so.

Same for the democrats, however biden probably got a.lot of anti-trump voters too, not because they're democrats or care about biden bit they're just so completely sick of Trump.

Agree. Have previously said here 40% of electorate who will usually vote are pretty iron clad for either Republican or Democrat. 15% probably fluctuate a bit and the last 5% are 'no hope' candidates supporters.

Victory comes in which side can motivate most of their own dedicated people to come out and vote and can appeal to the 15% who might fluctuate.

Weepsie wrote: »

Why there are still only 2 realistic parties is bizarre too, because even within these parties there are many factions that would have different ideas of republicanism and what it is democrats do.

Think the size of the country is a big factor. There was about half a billion spend on the run off races in Georgia in the last 2 months. :eek: Any party trying to get in to the game on a national level either will have to have super funding (one of richest people or organizations in the world level of funding) or will start locally or regional, and build gradually. But, people are constrained by their own ambitions and if you had political interests as a 25 year old, which would appeal to you more? Aligning yourself with one of the behemoths, or eeking out a cohort of like minded people in the local city hall and possibly target state elections in 15 years and maybe make a run at a house seat ten years after that? Bear in mind what Bernie Sanders did in this respect.

When Obama won, there was talk from some Republicans of a 'Tea party' which would probably have taken many from the more conservative wing of the Republican party but that died fairly quickly. I saw Sarah Palin resurrect talk around this in the last few days again but it is worth noting that the RNC and DNC would see talk of a new 'affiliate' party as being very bad for their hopes to take control and so would do their best to stomp it out before it gained much momentum.

Cody montana

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Stopped as soon as he started speaking.

This is what happens when you take too many drugs.

The Inbetween is mine

jill_valentine wrote: »

There are photos of him meeting Giuliani.

Is Rudy's trousers up or down?

Tony EH

Weepsie wrote: »

They were not all votes for trump though. Not all 74 million just as not all 81 million were for biden.

A lot of trump's were just staunch Republicans who would have voted for whatever patsy was running and will continue to do so.

And over the next few years they'll be gravitated toward that and increasingly away from Trump, who'll become more and more irrelevant. In fact, I'd wager that a large % of those Republican only clowns will have already abandoned any support they had for him after last nights antics. It's just a pity they didn't have any kind of political integrity beforehand.

Weepsie wrote: »

Same for the democrats, however biden probably got a.lot of anti-trump voters too, not because they're democrats or care about biden bit they're just so completely sick of Trump.

There's a hair's breadth of difference between both parties. They have more in common than anything else and are saddled to the same corporate interests. The idea that they are polar opposites is just laughable. It's especially so when one side tries to label the Democrats as a Left wing or (even more funny) Socialist entity. Biden, though, like Clinton is the conservative option within the Democratic Party, so it made it easy for some dyed in the wool Republican voters to opt out of Trump and opt in to Biden. I'd also say that there were a fair number of Republican party voters who just abstained, like Democrat voters who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hilary in 2016.

Weepsie wrote: »

Why there are still only 2 realistic parties is bizarre too, because even within these parties there are many factions that would have different ideas of republicanism and what it is democrats do.

The entire structure needs to be gutted and rebuilt. It's rotten to the core. What America has, in reality, is a ONE party system, that has two slightly different flavours and the pretence that each "side" is voting for a completely different set of criteria.

Weepsie wrote: »

The liberal party , well less said about them the better.

I presume you mean the Libertarians? Which is a very different thing altogether. If they had their way, the country would be laughed backward to the 19th Century. They're every man for themselves bullshit would be an absolute disaster for the vast majority of people.

Weepsie wrote: »

They need new parties or new ideas, some that are more centrist with a mix of left and right leaning people that are in it for the greater good and not some bull**** idea of the American dream

Not going to happen. Not in our lifetime anyway. The cartel of the Demorepublicans has too strong a grip.

Carfacemandog

dasdog wrote: »

He has some interesting views to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNl0V6KkOrM

And this is why Cambridge Analytica intentionally target those with cognitive and mental health issues.

Carfacemandog

Carfacemandog wrote: »

And this is why Cambridge Analytica intentionally target those with cognitive and mental health issues.

Zuckerberg let's them do it. He needs to be hauled in before the senate again.

Larbre34

Secretary of Transportation, Elaine Chao (wife of Mitch McConnell) has resigned.

What a cowards way out. If she feels that strongly about the sedition of her boss, then while at the Cabinet table she could have put all her energy in rallying the cabinet members to push Pence to trigger the 25th amendment.

Nothing but cowards on top of cowards in Washington.

pjohnson

The Trump family ego probably means some of them will try solo runs in 2024 hoping that the existing loons are loyal enough. It would only fracture the Rep vote and give the Democrats a very handy win.


The Republican Party is likely shagged for a while last night will be the pinnacle defining moment of Trumps Republican leadership. Theres been many moments but last night was the crown on the septic tank of his rule.

suicide_circus

My hope is, now the dragon has been vanquished, that Biden can indeed embark on a project of de-escalation and de-polarisation. I don't envy his task.

feargale

everlast75 wrote: »

Didn't matter.

Do the right thing.

Impeach him again.

Make him the only president to be impeached twice.

I don't want Trump impeached or kicked out under the 25th Amendment for the sake of two weeks. If that happens Pence takes over and despite everything I don't trust Pence not to pardon him.

If I were prepared to stoop as low as Trump I would shout "lock him up" but unlike Trump I believe in the rule of law and due process.

VinLieger

Larbre34 wrote: »

Secretary of Transportation, Elaine Chao (wife of Mitch McConnell) has resigned.

What a cowards way out. If she feels that strongly about the sedition of her boss, then while at the Cabinet table she could have put all her energy in rallying the cabinet members to push Pence to trigger the 25th amendment.

Nothing but cowards on top of cowards in Washington.

While i agree its the cowards way out the likes of Devos arent gonna agree to enact the 25th and it has to be unanimous.

Overheal

pjohnson wrote: »

The Trump family ego probably means some of them will try solo runs in 2024 hoping that the existing loons are loyal enough. It would only fracture the Rep vote and give the Democrats a very handy win.


The Republican Party is likely shagged for a while last night will be the pinnacle defining moment of Trumps Republican leadership. Theres been many moments but last night was the crown on the septic tank of his rule.

Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.

Overheal

VinLieger wrote: »

While i agree its the cowards way out the likes of Devos arent gonna agree to enact the 25th and it has to be unanimous.

It does not have to be unanimous. Google it..

pjohnson

Overheal wrote: »

Ivanka called them “Patriots” then deleted it.
Trump Jr. is on a video with Guilfoyle before Trumps speech telling people to “do the right thing: fight!”

So unless Eric made it through this scandal unscathed there will be no Trump dynasty.

Do you think that would actually stop Ivanka or MinnieDon from trying?

CIARAN_BOYLE

suicide_circus wrote: »

My hope is, now the dragon has been vanquished, that Biden can indeed embark on a project of de-escalation and de-polarisation. I don't envy his task.

I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

Hard words said.

robinph

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I don't think Biden is acting to deescalate at the moment.

Hard words said.

You want Biden to say that the claims of election fraud are justified or that they have a point?