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Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP
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everlast75 wrote: »this "report" is very much worth a read...
This was the "doctor"
Thanks for that, I hadn't read that letter before it is both hilarious and deeply depressing at the same time.
Clearly written by Trump himself, even the language "astonishingly excellent" is pure Trump. Excellent just isn't good enough..0 -
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The denialism online is still strong with people under the impession that if anybody sends a 2nd set of ballots to Congress that the election automatically goes to a contingent election - skipping many many key details and caveats.
The best retort of all the silly retorts has been: "What about the 1960 election?"
Good question in fairness. Richard Nixon was the Vice President and was the presiding officer of the joint session of congress to count the electoral votes. Hawaii sent in 2 slates of electors, and Nixon chose the latter, which gave Hawaii's 3 electoral votes to John F Kennedy.
So, MAGA, concludes, this 'clearly means' Vice Pence can just decide to count whichever version of a states result he likes right?
Well, no. Hawaii certified its electors before the safe harbor but was still conducting a recount at the time. The recount later confirmed that JFK, not Nixon, had carried the state, and so the Hawaii Governor re-certified it. Ergo, both slates that went to Nixon's pulpit bore the seal of the state executive. That is not the case here in 2020. Only one slate of electors from each state bears the seal. VP Pence doesn't have the option to just pick one, he must faithfully execute the law under 3 US Code section 15. A GOP Senator and Representative can still contest any states result as far as I know, even if it has the seal, but, both chambers have to vote to sustain the appeal (and Mitch McConnel and many GOP have already accepted Biden as the President Elect). If both chambers fail to sustain the objection, the governors count is accepted. If the Senate sustains and the House does not (the most likely result):
{I}n such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.
It is only in the cosmically improbably circumstance that both the House and Senate vote to throw out a governor's result that we could possibly see a situation where we go to a contingent election. In fact, because Republicans sent their own slates putting Trump, with a big asterix, at 273 votes, they would have to hope both chambers sustain all their objections and pick that result before a contingent election occurs under the 12th amendment. If, somehow, Democrats agreed with evidence of "massive fraud" by January 6, and only threw out say 3 of those results, and not 4: then, Biden is still over 270 votes, and is still the president elect.
edit: and my new favorite channel has a new video up, about the TX lawsuit.
I don't normally like talking heads, but this guy just pours through the law, cites it, argues it. Objections in the comments.0 -
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The denialism online is still strong with people under the impession that if anybody sends a 2nd set of ballots to Congress that the election automatically goes to a contingent election - skipping many many key details and caveats.
The best retort of all the silly retorts has been: "What about the 1960 election?"
Good question in fairness. Richard Nixon was the Vice President and was the presiding officer of the joint session of congress to count the electoral votes. Hawaii sent in 2 slates of electors, and Nixon chose the latter, which gave Hawaii's 3 electoral votes to John F Kennedy.
So, MAGA, concludes, this 'clearly means' Vice Pence can just decide to count whichever version of a states result he likes right?
Well, no. Hawaii certified its electors before the safe harbor but was still conducting a recount at the time. The recount later confirmed that JFK, not Nixon, had carried the state, and so the Hawaii Governor re-certified it. Ergo, both slates that went to Nixon's pulpit bore the seal of the state executive. That is not the case here in 2020. Only one slate of electors from each state bears the seal. VP Pence doesn't have the option to just pick one, he must faithfully execute the law under 3 US Code section 15. A GOP Senator and Representative can still contest any states result as far as I know, even if it has the seal, but, both chambers have to vote to sustain the appeal (and Mitch McConnel and many GOP have already accepted Biden as the President Elect). If both chambers fail to sustain the objection, the governors count is accepted. If the Senate sustains and the House does not (the most likely result):
{I}n such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.
It is only in the cosmically improbably circumstance that both the House and Senate vote to throw out a governor's result that we could possibly see a situation where we go to a contingent election. In fact, because Republicans sent their own slates putting Trump, with a big asterix, at 273 votes, they would have to hope both chambers sustain all their objections and pick that result before a contingent election occurs under the 12th amendment. If, somehow, Democrats agreed with evidence of "massive fraud" by January 6, and only threw out say 3 of those results, and not 4: then, Biden is still over 270 votes, and is still the president elect.
edit: and my new favorite channel has a new video up, about the TX lawsuit.
I don't normally like talking heads, but this guy just pours through the law, cites it, argues it. Objections in the comments.
it would be really funny if the dems did that to mess with Trumps head0 -
Tell me how wrote: »Completely inappropriate word given everything that has gone on.
In the context of the last 24 hours at least, Barr gone, GOP leadership abandoning him, wonder who will be next looking for airtime in the next 24 hours and follow suit, will Melania be gone by Jan 20th
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