Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Eoin

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The left wing media is deliberately refusing to discuss any evidence possibly would indicate fraud.

Sigh. Trump's own legal team have admitted in court that they are not alleging fraud - because they can get in trouble if they lie there. Those allegations are only made to the media, when they can lie as much as they want.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Trump had enormous excesses of vote tallies on Tuesday night and was ahead of Biden contested swing states

I am pretty sure that Trump said he would declare on election night if he was ahead, regardless of how many votes were left to count. That way he could fool the gullible into thinking it was fraud.

It was flagged really early on that some early leads were very likely to swap, especially given that the maga crowd were more likely to vote in person because the pandemic is a hoax by, um, Bill Gates or something. Biden voters were more likely to vote by mail. And I think that some states count those in advance, some don't.

Wasn't Biden was ahead of Trump on election night in some states, but overtaken by him later? But that wasn't fraud, right?

Cheerful Spring2

Christy42 wrote: »

Surely if you are bringing in fake ballots you go down the line democrat? That seems to be evidence against fraud rather than for it.

I would believe the opposite. A real voter more likely to go down the line democrat, if they want Biden badly to be president and support that party. One tick ballot is suspicious..

Eoin

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I would believe the opposite. A real voter more likely to go down the line democrat, if they want Biden badly to be president and support that party. One tick ballot is suspicious..

Or some conservatives wanted rid of Trump, but voted along normal lines apart from him.

But imagine being able to orchestrate a fraud on this scale but forgetting to figure out how to sort out the senate.

Buford T Justice

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Read Allied Security report. You notice they're making serious allegations fraud occurred here during the election night and after and found the evidence supporting it.

22 Dominion Machines from one county in Michigan was looked at.


This statement can't be ignored, must be verified as a false claim This is serious details to claim someone accessing the servers and tampering with the data.

Oh look, more images rather than actual sources....


Seems legit.

Cheerful Spring2

Eoin wrote: »

Or some conservatives wanted rid of Trump, but voted along normal lines apart from him.

But imagine being able to orchestrate a fraud on this scale but forgetting to figure out how to sort out the senate.

It is a broader production scale to tick the ballot preferences. If someone was manually making thousands of them there not going to waste their time. Their goal was likely to get Biden over the line? Races in senate was not a priority and may have raised red flags in some states. Two horse race is much harder to catch the scam. It may or not have occurred here?

The dominion report from Yesterday definitely something tangible and can be analyzed and tested by other cyber security firms. If they find nothing, we can call it a hoax!

Lucifer

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It is a broader production scale to tick the ballot preferences. If someone was manually making thousands of them there not going to waste their time. Their goal was likely to get Biden over the line? Races in senate was not a priority and may have raised red flags in some states. Two horse race is much harder to catch the scam. It may or not have occurred here?

The dominion report from Yesterday definitely something tangible and can be analyzed and tested by other cyber security firms. If they find nothing, we can call it a hoax!

You are saying it raises red flags "that they didnt" fill in the down ballot.

And now it would raise red flags if "they did" fill in the down ballot.

Make up your mind

Lucifer

Cheerful Spring 2

What do you make of this?

In the report, the ASOG claims to have identified a “ranked-choice voting algorithm”

“I have difficultly knowing where to begin on this,” Poulos said of the ranked-choice voting claim. “Michigan doesn’t use ranked-choice voting. A simple review of Antrim’s ballots easily confirms this.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dominion-ceo-report-audit-antrim-county-voting-equipment-technically-incomprehensible

I have provided a source so you can read the full article.

ASOG must be a very credible agency, shame they would make such simple mistakes with their arguement, maybe they have Rudy on their team!

Now for an offical source
https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359--547422--,00.html

Overheal

This ASOG group also tried to allege that counties had 120% participation (easily verifiable public records smash their math to smithereens)

jimmycrackcorm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Read Allied Security report. You notice they're making serious allegations fraud occurred here during the election night and after and found the evidence supporting it.

22 Dominion Machines from one county in Michigan was looked at.


This statement can't be ignored, must be verified as a false claim This is serious details to claim someone accessing the servers and tampering with the data.

This had been debunked. Michigan said these machines weren't accessed.
But you knew that already.

Tell me how

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Read Allied Security report. You notice they're making serious allegations fraud occurred here during the election night and after and found the evidence supporting it.

22 Dominion Machines from one county in Michigan was looked at.


This statement can't be ignored, must be verified as a false claim This is serious details to claim someone accessing the servers and tampering with the data.

Donald Trump illegally engaged in collusion with multiple foreign sources to try to influence the outcome of the 2016 US Presidential election.

This statement cannot be ignored and must be verified as a false claim.

Can you do this? Can you verify the claim is false?

everlast75

Yeah, so anyway...

Good news coming out of Georgia

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1339060536206508034?s=19

The more people that vote, the better it is for Democrats

salmocab

everlast75 wrote: »

Yeah, so anyway...

Good news coming out of Georgia

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1339060536206508034?s=19

The more people that vote, the better it is for Democrats

In fairness I’d imagine a lot of republicans have realised that it’s convenient and just as valid to vote that way. I wouldn’t read much into it.

Roanmore

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It very remarkable this election. The democrats senators up for election here had trouble beating the Republican senators in the 2020 race. Normally, its standard everywhere around the world, voters would pick other competitors on the ticket/ballot. Seems to be here the ballots have merely one choice Biden

Did millions of new voters just fail to tick the box for a republican/democrat senator? Is this evidence the mystery ballots were placed in to upset the result? The uncounted ballots from Wednesday and after should be audited to fullest way possible?

The climate we in that's unlikely, the democrats have big media and mainstream newspaper support, and that will probably push all opposition to the side. It's historically the way things go when you have the big players on your side.

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You have brought this up a few times and it's rubbish. People don't always vote down ballot the same way and if you want an example look closer to home.
The 2019 EU and Local Elections, FG got 5/13 seats yet FF took most Local seats, FF returned only 1 MEP.

The most effective ads before the US election were by the Lincoln Project, Republicans who hated Trump and campaigned against him. These people voted for Biden and then Republican down ballot.
You also have people who like to keep a balance in Washington, a Democrat President but a Republican Senate (leads to gridlock).

robinph

The automated counting machines adjusting the results has been proven nonsense by manual recounts coming up with the same result.

drogon.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Read Allied Security report. You notice they're making serious allegations fraud occurred here during the election night and after and found the evidence supporting it.

22 Dominion Machines from one county in Michigan was looked at.


This statement can't be ignored, must be verified as a false claim This is serious details to claim someone accessing the servers and tampering with the data.

The same Dominion machines were used in Ohio too, which is a swing state that the Republicans won. Surely if they are bad as they claim, why aren't they only looking at the ones they lost ?

https://www.dominionvoting.com/election2020-setting-the-record-straight/

Christy42

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I would believe the opposite. A real voter more likely to go down the line democrat, if they want Biden badly to be president and support that party. One tick ballot is suspicious..

No it is pretty common in real world voting. If it was fake the Democrats would have had themselves winning down the ballot as well. I haven't even seen anything to show that the numbers not voting down the ballot are in any way unusual in the specific states Trump cares about.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Well, it is a controversial election. The left wing media is deliberately refusing to discuss any evidence possibly would indicate fraud. Will the level of fraud found actually diminish the result? That’s the big question for me.

the place to discuss fraud is in a court. Trump et al had 59 attempts and failed at them all.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Big media and the electorate who voted Biden and the democrats of course will push on regardless of any talk of fraud.

yes, talk. just talk. no actual evidence.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Trump had enormous excesses of vote tallies on Tuesday night and was ahead of Biden contested swing states, and looked game over, then the results stalled barely advanced for hours on end. By Wednesday all these mystery ballots appeared, and Biden had hundreds of thousand of extra ballots in counties supposedly left uncounted.

Why it's odd the uncounted votes only look to be mainly untouched in the swing states? The rest of the country had no trouble counting the mail in ballots early on.

they were not allowed to process the mail-in votes until after the polls closed. you know that, or you would if you had been paying attention. You are bringing up absolutely nothing new nor are you adding anything to the discussion

namloc1980

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Trump had enormous excesses of vote tallies on Tuesday night and was ahead of Biden contested swing states, and looked game over, then the results stalled barely advanced for hours on end. By Wednesday all these mystery ballots appeared, and Biden had hundreds of thousand of extra ballots in counties supposedly left uncounted.

As I am sure you are aware but are wilfully choosing to ignore, the Election Day in-person ballots were counted first on election night in a number of states such as Pennsylvania. Republicans tended to vote more in person than Democrats due to the messaging from their respective camps - as you know Trump discouraged his people from using mail-in in a bid to set up the voter fraud narrative. So it made perfect sense that Trump appeared ahead on election night as in-person votes (heavily skewed to Trump) were counted but then later on the mail-in ballots got counted (heavily skewed to Biden) - the "mystery votes" as you call them. The Washington Post posted an article the week before the election showing this is what would happen (and it did). Republicans in those states engineered the red mirage situation that you appear to have swallowed hook, line and sinker. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/pennsylvania-republicans-count-mail-in-ballots-before-election-day/2020/10/26/c3ac91b0-17d0-11eb-aeec-b93bcc29a01b_story.html

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Why it's odd the uncounted votes only look to be mainly untouched in the swing states? The rest of the country had no trouble counting the mail in ballots early on.

Because Republican legislatures in those states deliberately blocked the early tallying and counting of mail in ballots to engineer the exact situation that it would appear Trump was winning and the election was stolen. Honestly this is not difficult to understand.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It very remarkable this election. The democrats senators up for election here had trouble beating the Republican senators in the 2020 race. Normally, its standard everywhere around the world, voters would pick other competitors on the ticket/ballot. Seems to be here the ballots have merely one choice Biden

Did millions of new voters just fail to tick the box for a republican/democrat senator? Is this evidence the mystery ballots were placed in to upset the result? The uncounted ballots from Wednesday and after should be audited to fullest way possible?

Ok let's play this game. Every election has always shown that a relatively small number of people only tick the box for the Presidential election and ignore all down ballot races. Other people fill out the presidential, senate and maybe house elections and ignore all the local elections. This is nothing new. As an example in 2016 in the Florida Senate race a total of 9,301,820 votes were cast. While 9,420,039 votes were cast in the presidential election - 118k more presidential election votes cast than Senate votes. If you remember Trump won Florida in 2016 by 113k votes. In your view Trump MUST have stolen the 2016 election in Florida - I mean he must have because there were more "mystery" votes for Trump!!! Do you agree?

weisses

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Well, it is a controversial election. The left wing media is deliberately refusing to discuss any evidence possibly would indicate fraud. Will the level of fraud found actually diminish the result? That’s the big question for me.

I stopped reading after that...

Are the dozens of judges that threw out cases left wing ?

Is the SCOTUS left wing

If answered with No ... why is it important left leaning media spends much time on this ?

Leroy42

CS2,at this stage you have the governors, including GOP and Trump allies saying there is nothing up.
You have state legislators, many of which have been stacked by Trump it was has been touted as one of his biggest achievement, saying there is nothing up.
You have Congress and the Senate. You have the Senate Majority leader, Mitch McConnell a staunch Trump ally that refused to hear any evidence against Trump when Trump was impeached.
You have DoJ saying there is nothing up.

You have all that, and on the other side you have a known liar, that told you he wouldn't except any result unless he won. Not just in 2020, but 2016 as well.
We have an AG that lied and protected Trump, resigning rather than continuing to try to stand up for Trump.

And yet given all that, you think that Trump is right? Take a step back, think about what you would think if Biden had lost and done the same?

ohnonotgmail

Leroy42 wrote: »

CS2,at this stage you have the governors, including GOP and Trump allies saying there is nothing up.
You have state legislators, many of which have been stacked by Trump it was has been touted as one of his biggest achievement, saying there is nothing up.
You have Congress and the Senate. You have the Senate Majority leader, Mitch McConnell a staunch Trump ally that refused to hear any evidence against Trump when Trump was impeached.
You have DoJ saying there is nothing up.

You have all that, and on the other side you have a known liar, that told you he wouldn't except any result unless he won. Not just in 2020, but 2016 as well.
We have an AG that lied and protected Trump, resigning rather than continuing to try to stand up for Trump.

And yet given all that, you think that Trump is right? Take a step back, think about what you would think if Biden had lost and done the same?

they have just swallowed the trump narrative hook, line and sinker and presented it as their own ideas.

namloc1980

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they have just swallowed the trump narrative hook, line and sinker and presenting it as their own ideas.

It's really incredible the number of people who have surrendered their own ability to think for themselves at the altar of Donald Trump and have simply turned into parrots and repeaters of the same old tired lies. When you have people on an Irish forum who have given themselves up for Trump to this extent, you can see why the US is so divided.

duploelabs

Is it any wonder trump was to try to control the news cycle with claims of election f*ckery

"The Trump Organization must turn over documents related to a property under investigation by New York’s attorney general, following allegations that the president and associates inflated assets to obtain millions of dollars in tax benefits.

Judge Arthur Engoron of the New York County State Supreme Court ruled the state’s Attorney General Letitia James be provided with documents between Ralph Mastromanaco, an engineer who worked with the company on Seven Springs Estate, and the Trump Organization."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-organization-financial-documents-b1774618.html

Quin_Dub

And just in case anyone has forgotten why Trump is doing all of this...

Grift , Grift, Grift.

While fundraising for the Georgia Senate runoffs, President Donald Trump is diverting 75% of most donations to his Save America political action committee, effectively allowing him to hold on to that money for future endeavors, Politico reported Monday.

The other 25% goes to the Republican National Committee, according to the donation web page, meaning the campaigns of the GOP candidates trying to hold on to their seats — Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue — will not directly get a dollar from Trump's fundraising push.

"The reality is Donald Trump does not care about the future of the Republican Party, so if he can raise money off of the Georgia runoffs but keep the money for his own purposes, he will do so," a longtime GOP strategist told Politico.

So , fundraising in Georgia for the Senate run-off , but neither Senator will get a penny of the funds raised.

And people still try to claim that he actually gives a damn about anything other than his own self-interest.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Well, it is a controversial election. The left wing media is deliberately refusing to discuss any evidence possibly would indicate fraud. Will the level of fraud found actually diminish the result? That’s the big question for me.

Big media and the electorate who voted Biden and the democrats of course will push on regardless of any talk of fraud.

Trump had enormous excesses of vote tallies on Tuesday night and was ahead of Biden contested swing states, and looked game over, then the results stalled barely advanced for hours on end. By Wednesday all these mystery ballots appeared, and Biden had hundreds of thousand of extra ballots in counties supposedly left uncounted.

Why it's odd the uncounted votes only look to be mainly untouched in the swing states? The rest of the country had no trouble counting the mail in ballots early on.

It very remarkable this election. The democrats senators up for election here had trouble beating the Republican senators in the 2020 race. Normally, its standard everywhere around the world, voters would pick other competitors on the ticket/ballot. Seems to be here the ballots have merely one choice Biden

Did millions of new voters just fail to tick the box for a republican/democrat senator? Is this evidence the mystery ballots were placed in to upset the result? The uncounted ballots from Wednesday and after should be audited to fullest way possible?

The climate we in that's unlikely, the democrats have big media and mainstream newspaper support, and that will probably push all opposition to the side. It's historically the way things go when you have the big players on your side.

Biden will probably take office in Jan without a proper investigation having taken place. Trump i dislike a lot of stuff he does, but if there was cheating, it should be exposed no matter who you like!

Cop the f on. The reason the states in question did not count the postal vote early is because the republican legislatures in the states didn't allow them to. THe reason - if it was close they could use the counting delay to put doubts on the election. With the Trump republican party there is always a con

Professor Moriarty

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And just in case anyone has forgotten why Trump is doing all of this...

Grift , Grift, Grift.



So , fundraising in Georgia for the Senate run-off , but neither Senator will get a penny of the funds raised.

And people still try to claim that he actually gives a damn about anything other than his own self-interest.

Mr Trump is facing at least 12 major lawsuits. The poor man will need all the money he can get for legal fees.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

CS2,at this stage you have the governors, including GOP and Trump allies saying there is nothing up.
You have state legislators, many of which have been stacked by Trump it was has been touted as one of his biggest achievement, saying there is nothing up.
You have Congress and the Senate. You have the Senate Majority leader, Mitch McConnell a staunch Trump ally that refused to hear any evidence against Trump when Trump was impeached.
You have DoJ saying there is nothing up.

You have all that, and on the other side you have a known liar, that told you he wouldn't except any result unless he won. Not just in 2020, but 2016 as well.
We have an AG that lied and protected Trump, resigning rather than continuing to try to stand up for Trump.

And yet given all that, you think that Trump is right? Take a step back, think about what you would think if Biden had lost and done the same?

Jim Jones level devotion.

Tony EH

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And just in case anyone has forgotten why Trump is doing all of this...

Grift , Grift, Grift.

While fundraising for the Georgia Senate runoffs, President Donald Trump is diverting 75% of most donations to his Save America political action committee, effectively allowing him to hold on to that money for future endeavors, Politico reported Monday.

The other 25% goes to the Republican National Committee, according to the donation web page, meaning the campaigns of the GOP candidates trying to hold on to their seats — Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue — will not directly get a dollar from Trump's fundraising push.

"The reality is Donald Trump does not care about the future of the Republican Party, so if he can raise money off of the Georgia runoffs but keep the money for his own purposes, he will do so," a longtime GOP strategist told Politico.

So , fundraising in Georgia for the Senate run-off , but neither Senator will get a penny of the funds raised.

And people still try to claim that he actually gives a damn about anything other than his own self-interest.

"future endeavors"

:pac:

Cody montana

Maga brigade are demanding Mitch McConnell resign.

Eoin

Cody montana wrote: »

Maga brigade are demanding Mitch McConnell resign.

Well, isn't it nice that they're finally agreeing with the Democrats at least