Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

Trump won't be running in four years time.

He's a political dead duck, nobody with any credibility will support him.

Anyhow, blame Trump for being banned and not Twitter.

He can run as an independent though.

PropJoe10

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

Congrats to twitter for making sure we get a much worse version of Trump in 4 years time.

They just couldn't help themselves and they had to pull the trigger early. They've played right into the narrative that he and his supporters are being silenced.

Plenty of time for discussion about the role that big social media companies play in terms of free speech but what they've done is the correct move, and long overdue. There is a difference between a person using social media to share their personal beliefs and a wannabe fascist using it to spread lies and misinformation and to incite violence. There's no place for a pathological liar to have a platform to spread his nonsense to 80 million followers.

oldtimeyfella

everlast75 wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

Can you even try to sound genuine in your "outrage"?

It's ****ing tedious at this stage.

I'm not outraged, you are the one breaking down in histrionics in every other post.


If you don't see how marginalising a guy and the 70 million + people who voted for him is a bad idea then i don't know what to tell you.


What's the old saying, "sunlight is the best disinfectant"?


The same people cheering this Twitter ban and Parler being taken off Google Play and the Apple store will be the same people scratching their heads when Biden (sorry, he'll be long dead) and Harris get ****ed out in a landslide in 2024.

Behind the scenes there must be some level of communication between big tech and Washington around this.

Tell me how

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

Congrats to twitter for making sure we get a much worse version of Trump in 4 years time.



They just couldn't help themselves and they had to pull the trigger early. They've played right into the narrative that he and his supporters are being silenced.

There's more likelihood that Trump won't be able to vote in 2024 than there is that he will on a ballot paper.

Tell me how

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

Behind the scenes there must be some level of communication between big tech and Washington around this.

Was saying that a few weeks ago. Suspect some v high priced attorneys were getting paid to monitor Trumps account and expect one of them phone ahead to let them know what was going to happen.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

They can but it is still censorship, despite what is being claimed here. I admire your commitment to property rights, though. I don't have that kind of regard for property myself, certainly not in monopoly situations.

I very much support Chomsky's opinion on free speech. You are either for it or against it. Irrespective of the unsavoury outcomes that may occur. But he means speech in controlled environments, not the anarchic irresponsibility based on lies which Trump has engaged in.

However, a private company sets up its own rules and as a member of that company or user of its facilities, you abide by those rules or you face sanction. It's very simple and has nothing to do with "property rights".

Robert ninja

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

Behind the scenes there must be some level of communication between big tech and Washington around this.

Or they're just so in-tune together that they don't even need to make the calls. Like twins sensing each others mood.

oldtimeyfella

murpho999 wrote: »

Trump won't be running in four years time.

He's a political dead duck, nobody with any credibility will support him.

Anyhow, blame Trump for being banned and not Twitter.

The worse version of Trump i'm talking about isn't literally going to be Trump.



People will be begging to have the silly orange twitter man back when whoever this other guy is coasts into power in 2024.

Samsonsmasher

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

Fascists frequently weaponise free speech absolutism.

While Biden is the winner you are forgetting that 70 million Americans voted for Trump.
Trump is leaving the White House and is being scrubbed from social media.
His followers are not going anywhere.
A minority are militant and will get more so if Trump is impeached.
That's the unavoidable reality.
Senator Graham was told he would be hounded for the rest of his life when he arrived back from Washington. The same goes for every Republican who has turned against Trump.
State capitols were visited by MAGA crowds not just the Capitol in Washington DC.
Democrats are going to pour petrol on the fire unless they pull back.

maebee

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Can even go follow the Tangerine One on there

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1347692261816070147

365,000 of his citizens have died on his watch and he's spending his time this evening creating new social media accounts. :mad:

listermint

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I am torn between stopping the crazy Q people from plotting on parler and stopping Donald Tweeting and the fact that this plays into their conspiracy theories.

Ya it puts conspiracy theories right back where the belong. As a sub forum on many websites like this.

Not mainstream into adults pockets 24/7 infecting normal people's thinking.

This cuts off their access to subvert the average Joe who can to back to normal life giving out to the TV rather than travelling to Washington with pipe bombs and plastic cable ties.

JohnFalstaff

Robert ninja wrote: »

And when they make private websites they get their hosting struck down/compromised, but they don't have a 'right' to that either. When they try to get funded the payment processors blacklist them, they don't have a right to those too? It's impossible for anyone but big corporations to set have their own hosting, DDoS protection, payment processing etc and that's just the way they like it.

Go off grid, like many have done. You can renounce industrial society and its future.

Tell me how

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

While Biden is the winner you are forgetting that 70 million Americans voted for Trump.
Trump is leaving the White House and is being scrubbed from social media.
His followers are not going anywhere.
A minority are militant and will get more so if Trump is impeached.
That's the unavoidable reality.
Senator Graham was told he would be hounded for the rest of his life when he arrived back from Washington. The same goes for every Republican who has turned against Trump.
State capitols were visited by MAGA crowds not just the Capitol in Washington DC.
Democrats are going to pour petrol on the fire unless they pull back.

The Republicans created this monster, it's on them to fix it.

murpho999

Deleted User wrote: »

He can run as an independent though.

He could but I think his actions this week have lost him a lot of those 75m votes plus he'd be up against the Republicans and many of them are loyal to the party.

I really think his political career is over.

murpho999

Robert ninja wrote: »

And when they make private websites they get their hosting struck down/compromised, but they don't have a 'right' to that either. When they try to get funded the payment processors blacklist them, they don't have a right to those too? It's impossible for anyone but big corporations to set have their own hosting, DDoS protection, payment processing etc and that's just the way they like it.

I'm not on about "they" but Trump who has been spouting rubbish on Twitter for years.

People should not be allowed to spread hate or lies and incite violence. Simple as that.

JohnFalstaff

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

While Biden is the winner you are forgetting that 70 million Americans voted for Trump.
Trump is leaving the White House and is being scrubbed from social media.
His followers are not going anywhere.
A minority are militant and will get more so if Trump is impeached.
That's the unavoidable reality.
Senator Graham was told he would be hounded for the rest of his life when he arrived back from Washington. The same goes for every Republican who has turned against Trump.
State capitols were visited by MAGA crowds not just the Capitol in Washington DC.
Democrats are going to pour petrol on the fire unless they pull back.

I have no dog in this race. What's your ideal endgame?

listermint

murpho999 wrote: »

He could but I think his actions this week have lost him a lot of those 75m votes plus he'd be up against the Republicans and many of them are loyal to the party.

I really think his political career is over.

The bulk of those votes were R votes.

I'd imagine he commands less than ten percent of them in real terms.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347680738586447872?s=19

listermint

combat14 wrote: »

apparently twitter execs gave millions to biden campaign probably be court cases galore over this yet

Apparently you got that off Parler

Tik

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oldtimeyfella

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

Go off grid, like many have done. You can renounce industrial society and its future.

There's going to be plenty of new versions of good ole' Ted being created by outlets like twitter, google and apple deciding to silence a huge chunk of certain viewpoints in the past couple of hours.


If i was an exec for a big tech company i'd have someone else start opening my packages for me in future.

murpho999

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

While Biden is the winner you are forgetting that 70 million Americans voted for Trump.
Trump is leaving the White House and is being scrubbed from social media.
His followers are not going anywhere.
A minority are militant and will get more so if Trump is impeached.
That's the unavoidable reality.
Senator Graham was told he would be hounded for the rest of his life when he arrived back from Washington. The same goes for every Republican who has turned against Trump.
State capitols were visited by MAGA crowds not just the Capitol in Washington DC.
Democrats are going to pour petrol on the fire unless they pull back.

The people who turned up at Capitol Building or threatening Senator Graham do not represent all republicans or Twitter voters.

I would argue that he's lost a lot of those 75 million voters in the last 2 months, and particularly the last week.

Robert ninja

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

Go off grid, like many have done. You can renounce industrial society and its future.

1. I have no interest in being off the grid and it's disappointing to know that people believe that's the only place speech can thrive.
2.There's no such thing as off the grid. Drones and satellites.

everlast75

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

I'm not outraged, you are the one breaking down in histrionics in every other post.


If you don't see how marginalising a guy and the 70 million + people who voted for him is a bad idea then i don't know what to tell you.


What's the old saying, "sunlight is the best disinfectant"?


The same people cheering this Twitter ban and Parler being taken off Google Play and the Apple store will be the same people scratching their heads when Biden (sorry, he'll be long dead) and Harris get ****ed out in a landslide in 2024.

Awh, boo ****ing hoo.

**** him and **** his supporters.

If he can't overturn a twitter ban, how the hell did he expect to overturn an election lol

Blackhorse Slim

combat14 wrote: »

apparently twitter execs gave millions to biden campaign probably be court cases galore over this yet

Are these the same "millions" that Trump is earning for them by using their platform? SO you're saying Trump funded Biden?

Genius. 4d chess indeed.

Amirani

https://twitter.com/HiiiPow3r/status/1347710497357877248

Muppets haha.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

it doesn't.

Text is

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance

It doesn't apply at all in this case, though. Private property.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions#Incitement

Mr Meanor

I think that when Trump and his administration are finally gone the Democrats should also do a bit of house cleaning themselves.
Pelosi and some of her associates retiring or resigning might help to defuse future problems with both sides.

Tony EH

combat14 wrote: »

apparently twitter execs gave millions to biden campaign probably be court cases galore over this yet

LOL

Combat14, ay?

I take it the Combat18 username was taken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18

Samsonsmasher

Tell me how wrote: »

The Republicans created this monster, it's on them to fix it.

Democrats calling anyone who opposes them racist mysognist fascist and trying to shut them down publically online and get them fired?
Rioting looting and burning property all summer attacking and killing police tearing down statues?
Supporting the most extreme abortion laws including partial birth abortions?
And top it all trying to take away the right to bear arms from private citizens?

Why are you surprised that Trump got the support of MAGA people with vast crowds athus rallies?