Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

yagan

Deleted User wrote: »

People rejoicing in this "new" way of policing discourse and thoughts will soon be shocked when it's turned on them.

Sad to see. Lambs to the slaughter.

Four years of Twitter profiting off Trump dividing the nation led to an attempted coup. An attempted attack on democracy is an attack "on them" as you put it.

The republicans will now be split between insurrectionists and constitutionalists.

Dressoutlet

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People rejoicing in this "new" way of policing discourse and thoughts will soon be shocked when it's turned on them.

Sad to see. Lambs to the slaughter.

What's new? Kicking people off social media, happened me enough times to know its not new.

jill_valentine

jill_valentine wrote: »

Trump is having rules applied to him that already applied to everyone else. These kind of histrionics won't make any traction, because every one of us know how websites work.

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

fly_agaric

BattleCorp wrote: »

And I'm not disagreeing with what you've said. I just think that the 'Internet giants' and tech companies are getting too powerful and now have more control than the Government. And that's not a good thing.

Businesses & special interests should be free to self-regulate/dictate laws they desire to the government, companies (like Twitter...) are people really, the money of a wealthy individual or a company is equivalent to a citizen's "free speech", government should interfere as little as possible with operations of companies or their ability to profit etc. - does all this sound familiar?

EU countries have tried to reign in their operations over here to an extent. As these mega-companies are all American, they usually complain it is unfair/discriminatory + hide behind the flag & cry to their government for help.

In extremis, they probably also have this great little country as a reliable spoiler inside the EU 27 to nobble holding them to account.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

People rejoicing in this "new" way of policing discourse and thoughts will soon be shocked when it's turned on them.

Sad to see. Lambs to the slaughter.

There are literally people banned from this thread because they couldn't engage in civil discourse. Do you think this is new or something??

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

People already incite against BLM

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

Yup but he has no right to access the services of a private company, which is something republicans and christian extremists fought hard for several years ago.


Irony is beautiful.

VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

Yup but he has no right to access the services of a private company, which is something republicans and religious extremists fought hard for several years ago.


Irony is beautiful.

Yay!

Quin_Dub

joe40 wrote: »

That's capitalism at work.

As for deplatforming, Trump literally has a press team. It was ridiculous that he was so obsessed with twitter in the first place.
Probably liked the fact there were no pesky reporters to ask hard questions.

That's it in a nutshell - He loved Twitter because he could say whatever he wanted without be followed up with questions.

Every single time he gave an interview that wasn't with Fox he was exposed as an uninformed buffoon.

Twitter was his ideal platform - Short blast of text ,light on detail with absolutely Zero accountability or need for accuracy.

Carfacemandog

BattleCorp wrote: »

Not quite the point I am making.

Yes, private companies can decide which political campaigns they want to fund. And that's fine.

But private companies preventing other companies/people from donating through their platform to someone they don't like is setting a dangerous precedent IMHO.

And some people have likened it to the gay cake controversy. I think it's closer to 'I'll bake your gay cake but not the other guy's gay cake'. A bakery either cooks or doesn't cook gay cakes. A platform like Stripe either allows political funding or doesn't allow political funding, it shouldn't decide which political funding they allow.

That's exactly what the gay cake controversy was about. Happy to bake weddings cakes, unless you're gay.

And the conservative supreme Court found in its favour, so the precedent is now set.

Gregor Samsa

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

Not according to the legally binding T&Cs of multiple platforms he agreed to when he signed up he doesn’t.

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

He doesn't have a right to undermine safety in society though, does he?

MeMen2_MoRi_

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

There's being a cnut and then there's being a cnut that incites violence from his army against his enemies

VinLieger

BattleCorp wrote: »

And some people have likened it to the gay cake controversy. I think it's closer to 'I'll bake your gay cake but not the other guy's gay cake'. A bakery either cooks or doesn't cook gay cakes. A platform like Stripe either allows political funding or doesn't allow political funding, it shouldn't decide which political funding they allow.

LOL what a hilariously bad intentional misrepresentation of the gay cake case.


Good for you if you actually believe that but your opinion is idiotically wrong in ever sense.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

Well actually, incitement for unlawfulness eg terrorism is not protected by freedom of speech. Even America has certain limits on it, you know.

briany

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Not according to the legally binding T&Cs of multiple platforms he agreed to when he signed up he doesn’t.

"I didn't read those Ts&Cs so they don't apply to me."

1800_Ladladlad

If Trump had won the election, there would have been violence on Wednesday the 6th, and it most certainly would have been far worse. Democrats have been endorsing violence as a political tactic throughout the entire Trump Administration. Democrats have actively encouraged violence against Trump and his supporters, they've had four years of assaults and harassment by the left for liking a president but it in no way justifies what happened at the capitol. Flames have been fanned by the left and democrats and the media downplayed it BLM etc

Unchecked/unpunished violence, begets more violence. When laws are enforced unfairly, you get more anger, more distrust of the law enforcers. You don't get to the events of Wednesday without the likes of BLM riots setting examples and the politically calculated decisions that allowed violence on a mass scale. Nobody cared about the cities, businesses that were destroyed, and the people that were killed. It's the very people condemning the Capitol Hill riot as an "insurrection" & "terrorist" attack that were silent and encouraging of the uprisings last summer where BLM-Antifa extremists tried to burn down government buildings, claim territory & kill people. Wednesday the 6th was the reaction of the media and the politicians of the democrat party. Check the difference in reactions from the Seattle situation to the D.C. situation. The main issue lies with the double standards.

The people who chose to break-in, damage property & commit violent acts on that day should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The law should be applied to those who burned cities across America to the ground, those who damaged property, who looted, assaulted & racially abused people, and those. that committed violent acts. The law is only being applied to suit a certain agenda. Time and Time again we saw BLM and Antifa being released from jail.

It's the utter hypocrisy of it all!!

The same people are now decrying such actions as having also instigated such actions on their side, small example:

Ted Lieu, in 2018 repeatedly said people should “take to the streets” and threatened “widespread civil unrest” if Trump fired Muller.Many other Democrats followed suite saying Trump firing Mueller would result in a “firestorm … in the streets” many other Democrats Stated this on MSNBC


Sen. Cory Booker urged activists to answer a “call to action” to protest at the Capitol,

“get up in the face of some congresspeople” - 2018 National Conference on Ending Homelessness & Capitol Hill

Hillary Clinton 2018 said civility was only an option if the Democrats controlled the legislative branch.

“You can’t be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for and what you care for,”.

Former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder encouraged a group of liberal activists to fight back, a sentiment that was met with applause and laughter

“Michelle [Obama] always says, ‘When they go low, we go high,’” ..... “No. No. When they go low, we kick them.”

In 2019, if Trump declared a national emergency about a government shutdown Rep. Joaquin Castro said Democrats would

“fight [Trump] challenge him in every way that we can in the Congress, in the courts, and in the streets and protests,”

Rep. Maxine Waters of California urged activists to physically confront the Trump administration in public places, saying,

“You get out and create a crowd. You push back on them. You tell them they are not welcomed anymore or anywhere.”

In an interview with Joy Reid on MSNBC, Water was telling people to be

“more forceful, more confrontational, and more prepared to push back on this administration.”

Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House said that, in politics,

We welcome the presence of these activists, and we strongly urge the Capitol Police to allow them to continue to organize and participate in our democracy. Here

“when you’re in the arena, you have to be ready to take a punch, and you have to be ready to throw a punch … for the children.”

Sen. Jon Tester of Montana

“I don’t think even in states where Donald Trump won big that it does you any good running away from [him],” Tester said. “I think you need to go back and punch him in the face. I mean, the truth is, is this guy is bad for this country.”

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1347384139381698562

The nuclear codes situation. The only President who hasn't started a new war in 50 years is the one we should be afraid of using nukes now? He's had access for four years so why the big drama all of a sudden? Ah cause Trump is this major deranged, orange supervillain ffs. As always there is great irony in calling Trump a fascist or a dictor, neither of them can be censored or lose an election. Calling Trump either while you cheer for his censorship shows the lack of self-awareness in those cheering. The people who spent the last four years calling Trump a Nazi are now consolidating power into a single political party and punishing all dissent, and the irony is completely lost on them.

What was with this "Great Lie"? Biden is well versed in projection and would only know what it is to repeat the same lies over and over until they're taken as the truth. He does it better than Trump ever did or will ever do. That's 47+ years of practice. The uneducated morans comparing Wednesday to the likes of Kristallnacht are the same people who describe the events at Capitol like a genocide with representatives inside "escaping death", such melodramatic tripe. Synagogues were not burnt to the ground, Jewish businesses were not destroyed, nobody was deported to concentration camps, and hundreds were not murders. There was not a unified republican party that participated in the criminal acts on capital hill. But the above does sound alot like the BLM riots tho........

briany

Deleted User wrote: »

Well actually, incitement for unlawfulness eg terrorism is not protected by freedom of speech. Even America has certain limits on it, you know.

Everyone has freedom of speech, assuming they have the mechanical capacity to speak or type or have any other way to communicate complex messages. What they don't have is freedom from consequences of that speech. That's really what Trump is complaining about, and that's what a lot of his followers are complaining about. They interpret 'freedom of speech' as 'freedom to say whatever I want without any comeback'.

ohnonotgmail

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's all very ''judge, jury and executioner '' . No one knows the story behind the storming of the capitol.


To me it was all very spur of the moment, by the front liner nutjobs, with a lot of simple country folk flowing into building, and flowing out again.
The arrests were few, and it targeted those nutjobs.

they went equipped with zip ties. why would you bring zip ties to a peaceful rally? and spare us the simple country folk bull****.

pjohnson

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

If Trump had won the election, there would have been violence on Wednesday the 6th, and it most certainly would have been far worse. Democrats have been endorsing violence as a political tactic throughout the entire Trump Administration. Democrats have actively encouraged violence against Trump and his supporters, they've had four years of assaults and harassment by the left for liking a president but it in no way justifies what happened at the capitol. Flames have been fanned by the left and democrats and the media downplayed it BLM etc

Unchecked/unpunished violence, begets more violence. When laws are enforced unfairly, you get more anger, more distrust of the law enforcers. You don't get to the events of Wednesday without the likes of BLM riots setting examples and the politically calculated decisions that allowed violence on a mass scale. Nobody cared about the cities, businesses that were destroyed, and the people that were killed. It's the very people condemning the Capitol Hill riot as an "insurrection" & "terrorist" attack that were silent and encouraging of the uprisings last summer where BLM-Antifa extremists tried to burn down government buildings, claim territory & kill people. Wednesday the 6th was the reaction of the media and the politicians of the democrat party. Check the difference in reactions from the Seattle situation to the D.C. situation. The main issue lies with the double standards.

The people who chose to break-in, damage property & commit violent acts on that day should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The law should be applied to those who burned cities across America to the ground, those who damaged property, who looted, assaulted & racially abused people, and those. that committed violent acts. The law is only being applied to suit a certain agenda. Time and Time again we saw BLM and Antifa being released from jail.

It's the utter hypocrisy of it all!!

The same people are now decrying such actions as having also instigated such actions on their side, small example:

Ted Lieu, in 2018 repeatedly said people should “take to the streets” and threatened “widespread civil unrest” if Trump fired Muller.Many other Democrats followed suite saying Trump firing Mueller would result in a “firestorm … in the streets” many other Democrats Stated this on MSNBC


Sen. Cory Booker urged activists to answer a “call to action” to protest at the Capitol,


Hillary Clinton 2018 said civility was only an option if the Democrats controlled the legislative branch.



Former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder encouraged a group of liberal activists to fight back, a sentiment that was met with applause and laughter



In 2019, if Trump declared a national emergency about a government shutdown Rep. Joaquin Castro said Democrats would



Rep. Maxine Waters of California urged activists to physically confront the Trump administration in public places, saying,


In an interview with Joy Reid on MSNBC, Water was telling people to be



Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House said that, in politics,




Sen. Jon Tester of Montana


https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1347384139381698562

The nuclear codes situation. The only President who hasn't started a new war in 50 years is the one we should be afraid of using nukes now? He's had access for four years so why the big drama all of a sudden? Ah cause Trump is this major deranged, orange supervillain ffs. As always there is great irony in calling Trump a fascist or a dictor, neither of them can be censored or lose an election. Calling Trump either while you cheer for his censorship shows the lack of self-awareness in those cheering. The people who spent the last four years calling Trump a Nazi are now consolidating power into a single political party and punishing all dissent, and the irony is completely lost on them.

What was with this "Great Lie"? Biden is well versed in projection and would only know what it is to repeat the same lies over and over until they're taken as the truth. He does it better than Trump ever did or will ever do. That's 47+ years of practice. The uneducated morans comparing Wednesday to the likes of Kristallnacht are the same people who describe the events at Capitol like a genocide with representatives inside "escaping death", such melodramatic tripe. Synagogues were not burnt to the ground, Jewish businesses were not destroyed, nobody was deported to concentration camps, and hundreds were not murders. There was not a unified republican party that participated in the criminal acts on capital hill. But the above does sound alot like the BLM riots tho........

There may be a prize for last Diehard Trumper.

donspeekinglesh

rossie1977 wrote: »

Cruz will never be voted nationally. He barely beat a Democrat in Texas last time out.

Cruz doesn't have the charm or charisma of Trump and nowhere near as authoritarian in his rhetoric.

It'll be funny how there won't be a peep out of the birther crowd if Cruz runs. Maybe they were just racist...

Hawley's problem is he's a massive religious fundamentalist, and that'll limit him outside of the evangelical bigots.

ohnonotgmail

BattleCorp wrote: »

And I'm not disagreeing with what you've said. I just think that the 'Internet giants' and tech companies are getting too powerful and now have more control than the Government. And that's not a good thing.

if they were forced to comply with german hate speech laws trump would have been banned a long time ago.

Professor Moriarty

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

If Trump had won the election, there would have been violence on Wednesday the 6th, and it most certainly would have been far worse. Democrats have been endorsing violence as a political tactic throughout the entire Trump Administration. Democrats have actively encouraged violence against Trump and his supporters, they've had four years of assaults and harassment by the left for liking a president but it in no way justifies what happened at the capitol. Flames have been fanned by the left and democrats and the media downplayed it BLM etc

Unchecked/unpunished violence, begets more violence. When laws are enforced unfairly, you get more anger, more distrust of the law enforcers. You don't get to the events of Wednesday without the likes of BLM riots setting examples and the politically calculated decisions that allowed violence on a mass scale. Nobody cared about the cities, businesses that were destroyed, and the people that were killed. It's the very people condemning the Capitol Hill riot as an "insurrection" & "terrorist" attack that were silent and encouraging of the uprisings last summer where BLM-Antifa extremists tried to burn down government buildings, claim territory & kill people. Wednesday the 6th was the reaction of the media and the politicians of the democrat party. Check the difference in reactions from the Seattle situation to the D.C. situation. The main issue lies with the double standards.

The people who chose to break-in, damage property & commit violent acts on that day should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The law should be applied to those who burned cities across America to the ground, those who damaged property, who looted, assaulted & racially abused people, and those. that committed violent acts. The law is only being applied to suit a certain agenda. Time and Time again we saw BLM and Antifa being released from jail.

It's the utter hypocrisy of it all!!

The same people are now decrying such actions as having also instigated such actions on their side, small example:

Ted Lieu, in 2018 repeatedly said people should “take to the streets” and threatened “widespread civil unrest” if Trump fired Muller.Many other Democrats followed suite saying Trump firing Mueller would result in a “firestorm … in the streets” many other Democrats Stated this on MSNBC


Sen. Cory Booker urged activists to answer a “call to action” to protest at the Capitol,


Hillary Clinton 2018 said civility was only an option if the Democrats controlled the legislative branch.



Former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder encouraged a group of liberal activists to fight back, a sentiment that was met with applause and laughter



In 2019, if Trump declared a national emergency about a government shutdown Rep. Joaquin Castro said Democrats would



Rep. Maxine Waters of California urged activists to physically confront the Trump administration in public places, saying,


In an interview with Joy Reid on MSNBC, Water was telling people to be



Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House said that, in politics,




Sen. Jon Tester of Montana


https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1347384139381698562

The nuclear codes situation. The only President who hasn't started a new war in 50 years is the one we should be afraid of using nukes now? He's had access for four years so why the big drama all of a sudden? Ah cause Trump is this major deranged, orange supervillain ffs. As always there is great irony in calling Trump a fascist or a dictor, neither of them can be censored or lose an election. Calling Trump either while you cheer for his censorship shows the lack of self-awareness in those cheering. The people who spent the last four years calling Trump a Nazi are now consolidating power into a single political party and punishing all dissent, and the irony is completely lost on them.

What was with this "Great Lie"? Biden is well versed in projection and would only know what it is to repeat the same lies over and over until they're taken as the truth. He does it better than Trump ever did or will ever do. That's 47+ years of practice. The uneducated morans comparing Wednesday to the likes of Kristallnacht are the same people who describe the events at Capitol like a genocide with representatives inside "escaping death", such melodramatic tripe. Synagogues were not burnt to the ground, Jewish businesses were not destroyed, nobody was deported to concentration camps, and hundreds were not murders. There was not a unified republican party that participated in the criminal acts on capital hill. But the above does sound alot like the BLM riots tho........

One-off quotes with no context whatsoever from a wide variety of different people. It's kinda sad really.

Overheal

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

One-off quotes with no context whatsoever from a wide variety of different people. It's kinda sad really.

Ironically they don’t want you to look at “let’s have trial by combat” rhetoric

briany

As funny as that viral video of the woman falling to her knees and screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!" was when Donald Trump was announced to be the 45th president, her hysteria does not seem so hysterical (as in melodramatic) now.

joe40

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

One-off quotes with no context whatsoever from a wide variety of different people. It's kinda sad really.

The pelosi one is from 2018 and its about the climate change protest. No comparison.

Some seem to forget Trump did win in 2016, there were no riots about his victory.
There was a peaceful transition of power and a dignified inauguration. Obama was presidential to the end.

ohnonotgmail

briany wrote: »

Everyone has freedom of speech, assuming they have the mechanical capacity to speak or type or have any other way to communicate complex messages. What they don't have is freedom from consequences of that speech. That's really what Trump is complaining about, and that's what a lot of his followers are complaining about. They interpret 'freedom of speech' as 'freedom to say whatever I want without any comeback'.

and he is now finding out that he is wrong in that interpretation.

duploelabs

Overheal wrote: »

Ironically they don’t want you to look at “let’s have trial by combat” rhetoric

Or the challenges to the previous steaming dump they took on this thread earlier

Foxtrol

BattleCorp wrote: »

Not quite the point I am making.

Yes, private companies can decide which political campaigns they want to fund. And that's fine.

But private companies preventing other companies/people from donating through their platform to someone they don't like is setting a dangerous precedent IMHO.

And some people have likened it to the gay cake controversy. I think it's closer to 'I'll bake your gay cake but not the other guy's gay cake'. A bakery either cooks or doesn't cook gay cakes. A platform like Stripe either allows political funding or doesn't allow political funding, it shouldn't decide which political funding they allow.

Where is the line? Should Trump's MAGA website be forced to allow me to sell anti-Trump merchandise to fund the democrats?

Each platform has rules and he broke them. It is pretty straight forward, it would be the same for any group that has done the same... (before someone goes there, no... BLM has never incited an attempted insurrection against a branch of the US government).

joe40

Tell me how wrote: »

He doesn't have a right to undermine safety in society though, does he?

Absolutely, I have no problem with Twitter banning him too little too late.

I do wish there was more control over social media, they were instrumental in allowing hate to flourish in many parts of the world. Including providing Trump a platform to spread his lies.

It is naive to think these companies will behave in the greater good, they're still corporations and their prime imperative is to make money, not to make the world better or safer.

They're only dumping Trump now because it makes good business sense not some new found sense of altruism.

Ironically if you were to talk about controls the people complaining the loudest would have been reps. Their precious unfettered freedom whether in business or guns has a price.