Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Cienciano

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.

The Nal

Cienciano wrote: »

A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.

Converted though, not the same in their eyes.

The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.

Quin_Dub

briany wrote: »

If Ivanka did run, she could use the slogan, "I'm Ivanka Trump, and I always do what my daddy tells me to."

Ivanka won't run for the WH directly.

Prior to the latest sh!t storm I suspect she was planning to have a go at taking a Senate seat in Florida (hence the move to Florida) , now though she hasn't a hope.

If she won the Primary she'd absolutely put the seat hugely in play for the Democrats.

Quin_Dub

The Nal wrote: »

Converted though, not the same in their eyes.

The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.

Their "problem" is that he is still massively massively popular with GOP Voters and most of them still think he should be President

In a survey fielded in the days after a group of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the US Capitol (January 8 to 11), 72 percent of likely Republican voters said they continue to question the presidential election results. Nearly three-quarters of Republicans, or 74 percent, said allegations of voter fraud have contributed to these concerns. Those are overwhelming majorities, but even among independents, 42 percent said they do not currently trust the election results.

The GOP is more split on the presidential transition, with 49 percent of Republicans saying they have doubts about the election outcome and oppose Biden’s inauguration, 29 percent saying they still have doubts about the outcome but believe Biden should be inaugurated, and 16 percent saying they trust the election results and think Biden should be inaugurated. A total of 1,233 likely voters were polled for the survey, which has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points.

Not an iota for sympathy for the place they have put themselves into , but even if they wanted to (and there's little evidence that they do) how do they untangle themselves from Trump and his fantasies with Polling data like that??

Quin_Dub

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"

Fox News prime-time host Sean Hannity said Monday that the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop will "shock the soul of the nation," citing "numerous credible sources" close to the matter.

They will yeah...

briany

If you look real close at the pictures of the rioters who Trump wound up on Wednesday, you can see Hunter Biden in approximately none of them.

Christy42

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



They will yeah...

I am sure plenty will point out that this sort of stuff doesn't foster unity in the US and is just driving divisions.

partyguinness

Cienciano wrote: »

A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.

You are being very very generous.

Ivanka Trump is nothing. Left, right or centre. Pure self serving ego and promotion. She isn't even Jewish- she 'converted' so she could marry the 'still waiting to shave' Kushner. Even that tells you how flexible she is- no convictions whatsoever like Daddy.

Anyway, most of the crazy GOPs believe that Jews are running the world. The Democrats are the natural home for the Jewish vote.

everlast75

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



They will yeah...

We are probably due a caravan travelling up from the South soon too

osarusan

The Nal wrote: »

The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.

The question is, how many Trump supporters will still support another Republican candidate, and how many will not.


You see the treatment Lindsey Graham got and you realise that there is a cohort of Trump supporters for whom it's Trump or nothing, and who see Republican politicians who don't unconditionally support Trump as the enemy as much as anybody else.



The Republicans have to be concerned about Trump, or maybe a member of the family, running as an independent and slicing off say 10 million votes.

duploelabs

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



They will yeah...

Was that the laptop that he lost?

seamus

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Their "problem" is that he is still massively massively popular with GOP Voters and most of them still think he should be President

Not an iota for sympathy for the place they have put themselves into , but even if they wanted to (and there's little evidence that they do) how do they untangle themselves from Trump and his fantasies with Polling data like that??

The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.

Dillonb3

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



They will yeah...

Didn't he admit on air recently that he doesn't vet his sources

briany

seamus wrote: »

If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

And if they commit to Hawley, they're also committing to a man who looks too much like Ryan Tubridy for me, or anyone, to really be comfortable with...

everlast75

seamus wrote: »

The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.

Frankenstein- meet monster

Timberrrrrrrr

everlast75 wrote: »

We are probably due a caravan travelling up from the South soon too

Seeing your post reminds me of the speech he gave just before the idiots invaded the capitol building, He actually mentioned that a caravan was building and was almost ready to depart for the southern border. With everything going on that day it slipped my mind until now.

livia21

where is Mark Meadow's ?

Don jr said he was a "true fighter"

Quantum Erasure

flazio wrote: »

If any Capitol employee, be they politicians or staff dies from Covid related illness in the next few weeks, it should be added to the 5 deaths so far from the storming.

'from' or 'with'?

randd1

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

Hannity. The man, like Rudy, has taken to wearing fake tan. It says all you need to know.

He's basically Q-Anon light.

Timberrrrrrrr

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



They will yeah...

Sure Hannity isn't a reporter though even his employer (Fox) admitted in court that he is an entertainer. Pity so many Americans take his shìt spitting seriously though.

Quin_Dub

seamus wrote: »

The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.

The risk isn't a new party per se , the US system makes that almost impossible to get off the ground.

The risk is a bunch of loons standing in the primaries against more vanilla GOP incumbents.

One of two things happen - The Loon wins and hands the seat to the Democrats in the main election a la Doug Jones in Alabama or they don't win but they force the winning candidate to shift sufficiently over to the looney fringe to defeat them in the primary that they put the seat in play in a big way.

A Trump will not run as an independent - ever , they'd have to spend their own money to do that. And they'd know that they wouldn't have a chance of wining.

Not matter what happens , Donald himself will never run for office again , the sheer naked terror of losing again will prevent him from doing so.

Ivanka or Don Jr *might* give it a go at some point in the future , but it's extremely hard to see how or where they might try.

Neither of them are capable of running for POTUS , they have absolutely none of the elements that got Daddy elected.

I also don't think that either of them are capable of winning a Senate seat or a Governorship either.

They'd probably be able to walk into a safe GOP House seat somewhere , but I don't see either of them being interested in that.

They wouldn't be running to "serve" , they'd be running for status and power - Neither of which they'd get from winning a cake-walk House seat.

So , in short - No Trump will ever hold office again.

That's not to say that they won't be politically influential for the next few years , they probably will but they will never run for Election.

Donald Trump

partyguinness wrote: »

She isn't even Jewish- she 'converted' so she could marry the 'still waiting to shave' Kushner.

Not relevant at all to thread, but for anyone who hasn't seen them, I think that the spitting image pisstakes on Kushner are very funny. (I won't post the link but you can see on youtube)

briany

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sure Hannity isn't a reporter though even his employer (Fox) admitted in court that he is an entertainer. Pity so many Americans take his shìt spitting seriously though.

This is a problem with news in general. The news used to be a guy behind a desk dryly reporting the events of the day. Now, your 24 hour channels allow for endless editorial comment and punditry.

everlast75

livia21 wrote: »

where is Mark Meadow's ?

Don jr said he was a "true fighter"

Busy committing criminal offences on the phone to state officials no doubt

FreudianSlippers

Donald Trump wrote: »

Does star of ratings topper "The Apprentice" count as holding office?


If not, then there was a recent one anyway

I obviously wasn't including Trump in that.

robinph

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

Would Eisenhower count as modern enough? Did he stand for any political position before president?

everlast75

A great thread...


https://twitter.com/jules_su/status/1348879180658860032?s=19

Dempo1

No sure if posted previously but you've got to watch Morning Joe on MSNBC, not your typical us network show and it's fair to say it's presenters seething over what's happened, also fair to say there's history between the Shows hosts and trump. It's a riveting watch

https://youtu.be/AREpAuOXC60

everlast75

https://twitter.com/rossgarber/status/1348980124696391680?s=19

robinph

robinph wrote: »

Would Eisenhower count as modern enough? Did he stand for any political position before president?

Closest he came to having one was serving as military governor of Germany.